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Right_winger wrote:however so long as the people of NI are given an opportunity to express their democratic opinion then its as good as we are ever going to get without going full WTO for the whole of the UK

Why do Brexiteers care about what happens in Northern Ireland if it gets a majority Tory government?

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I emphasise it would be the right thing to do for both sides to capitulate on these things, and if the media suggest it is Boris alone who caved, frankly, who cares? Won't that matter with regards to the narrative and Nigel Farage trying to persuade voters to still vote for the Brexit party at the ...

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A little unfair methinks. Southgate isn’t blessed with an incredible pool of talent. We’ve got world class players in Kane and Sterling and some exciting young players coming through but he doesn’t have an experienced and dependable goalkeeper, centre back or central midfielder to choose from. Mayb...

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He will have made a big difference if he can agree a deal with the EU and parliament - that's the true test but let's see if it happens. Threatening to walk away without a deal has been key in my view. According to the political commentators the EU thinks the Benn act would have stopped him walking...

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BOYSIE31 wrote:And you won't see any of those type of players in a Dyche team sadly

Steven Defour?

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Financial Times Economic Editor on how Johnson’s proposals are much worse for the economy than the May deal

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summitclaret wrote:Imagine giving up a job of Foreign Sec. .

And regarded as the worst in living memory!

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summitclaret wrote:This is remainer myth.

You'll not find anyone who had a good word to say about David Davis.

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FactualFrank wrote:It looks to me like Southgate has taken qualifying for granted, hence some strange selections.

A poor manager

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Saw them at the Roundhouse in Camden a year ago. Fantastic!

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nil_desperandum wrote:Really don't understand why we allowed him to go when just recovering form an injury, and with his history.
I wonder whose decision it was?

Club sides can't stop National teams calling up players.

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Our defence is streets ahead of England's

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We've more chance of winning the Premier league than England have of keeping a clean sheet!

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They are not but as you say they will vote BP. I think many lab mps will vote for their careers. I agree that many Labour MPs are going to struggle. This is where I think it's a bit unpredictable. Will people question the existence of the Brexit party after the 31st if we've actually left? I've rea...

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Don't worry. If the remainer HOC tries to add a conf ref to a new deal agreed, it will be seen by the public for what it is. Each and every one of the 400 plus mps from leave constituencies that votes no, and especially for a referendum, will be in massive trouble at the GE. You really think Labour...

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AndyClaret wrote:Which probably means he isn't.

Nigel Farage
@Nigel_Farage
I don't know what
@BorisJohnson
has given away, but he sounds very defensive. Let us hope that this is not a surrender.

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I see Nigel is accusing Boris of surrendering.

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AndrewJB wrote:Quite a few leave people have described May’s deal as terrible in just the last few days. Do they still think this way, or have they changed their minds?

Only when it suits them.

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summitclaret wrote:The u 21 game is live on y tube at 17.00

Have you got a link

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Steven Swinford
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Here's what Jacob Rees-Mogg, who is now Leader of the Commons but was then head of the ERG, had to say about the customs partnership last time round:

'It’s completely cretinous, the silliest thing I could possibly think of - it’s a betrayal of good sense'

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summitclaret wrote:If he has is that a good thing or not if it gets a deal?

I thought you were unhappy with Teresa May's deal, which it sounds like this is?

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So, basically the plan that Boris has?

Get Theresa May's deal though parliament?

Have we really wasted three years to go round in circles?

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Steven Swinford ✔ @Steven_Swinford It's back: Boris Johnson has 'resurrected' Theresa May's customs partnership, source familiar with plans says 'NI effectively stays in the EU customs union but for the purposes of trade it's in UK customs union,' source says. 'It's a fudge' Will ERG be able to stom...

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From what's been said in the last hour it looks like Boris Johnson has caved in big time. That's why the EU is now happy!

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And they would be daft enough. Its electoral suicide and would just show that it has been all about stopping brexit despite their last manifesto. They are **** scared of a GE Would probably be the end of JC and we can at last get a credible opposition to keep a cocky BJ in line. According to Mr Cam...

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summitclaret wrote:They may still vote BP to spite Labour and especially the LD. The former for its fencing and the for it's ******** to brexit.

That is certainly true, but it wouldn't surprise me either to see Nigel Farage trying to damage Conservative chances in their marginal seats because a deal has been struck.

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I think Boris is hoping he’ll get enough cross party support to ignore the DUP ( if he absolutely must) . With an election very soon I think much of the ERG may play softball simply as a means of very likely securing their seats in what could be a big Tory victory with surely Farage’s lot melting a...

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CrosspoolClarets wrote:EU27 now approve Barnier to commence “tunnel” negotiations.

That means a deal is close.

The big sticking point is the ERG & DUP to get it through, as always.

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katya adler ✔ @BBCkatyaadler · 31m I hate to be the thrower of cold water but when it comes to new UK proposals, whatever they might be, if PM moves towards EU position on customs, he’s likely to lose most/all DUP +ERG support. New deal must be agreed not only by PM + EU but also by majority of MPs ...

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Lancasterclaret wrote:If a brexit deal is agreed, they are dead.

Gone.

They'll be polling UKIP levels within a year.

Wonder what Labour voters will do who were happy to vote for the Brexit party in places like Burnley?

Is that good for the Tories?

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Seems like any deal between the Brexit party and the Tories is off and it's open warfare. From the Guardian: And Leave.EU, the pro-Brexit group that Farage founded, reckons reckons Johnson has “blinked”. Leave.EU ✔ @LeaveEUOfficial If a deal is in the offing, as today's media excitedly report, it me...

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When did the EU come up with that? I know of the last couple of weeks but are you talking last year? I don’t have info, I’m going from memory. May invented the NCP in the spring of last year if memory serves me. I don’t recall the EU being all for a NI version of it at the time. It doesn’t matter w...

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Indeed, though the suggestion tonight is that the EU have also blinked, in (potentially) accepting a NI only version of May’s Custom’s Partnership. That would be jeopardising the four freedoms by letting Ni cherry pick parts of the single market. Basically, that the EU would never do this has been ...

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Lowbankclaret wrote:Not really , that leaves us open to a 500 billion claim by the EU if it collapsed, which is
Likely if we leave.

That still means if they go under so do we.

I meant in terms of an election if most of the Brexit votes returning to the Conservatives post EU?

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Lowbankclaret wrote:I notice no one is in the remote interested that the EU can lose 2.6 billion.

And it’s ok

Anyway Lowbank, aren't you a bit scuppered if Boris really does get a deal through and we leave the EU with a compromise on all sides?

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On the main topic of the day, my hunch is that Ireland have blinked. I know I predicted that, so may be suffering from confirmation bias, but..... The age old wisdom is that the person making the compromise is the one who has to spin it his way, so that he can sell it to his people as a joint thing...

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Damo wrote:The only people who are insisting on the harshest of brexits are the EU.

And the ERG, and Nigel Farage.

They do not want a deal under any circumstances.

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Everyone who sits at the top of the table are Federalists. They are selected for that very reason, not by you and me, but by other Federalists. The MEPs can then vote for who they want, and if they dont like any, they can replace them with another bunch of Federalists. Imagine going into a polling ...

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Yep. I had that as an eight year old up at the old Victoria Hospital so that they could x-ray my kidney function. Except the version I drank wasn't flavoured at all. It just tasted like rubber. As for my endoscopy/colonoscopy contribution, I had an endoscope inserted up my nose 15-odd years ago whe...

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Anyone had an allergic reaction from having the iodine contrast when having a CT scan?

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Pat Leahy
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@PatLeahyIT
So am hearing that there has been very significant movement from British side on the customs issue in the Johnson-Varadkar talks. Not clear on detail and not clear what concessions expected in return. But if what I hear is correct, it changes the picture substantially.

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RingoMcCartney wrote:Leave means out of the CU, SM, ECJ and ending free movement of People.

Depends how close to May's deal we leave with.

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Rick_Muller wrote:subtle reminder from SD perhaps...???

So, SD will leave if he gets offered the Everton job?

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Anyone had the pleasure of drinking Barium sulfate suspension?

Tastes of Orange rubber!

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(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges No.10 source: "Boris won’t resign even if he loses a no confidence vote and it is not within the sovereigns constitutional powers to make him. The PM will advise the Queen of that and she must follow her Prime Minister’s advice". There is a lunatic at large in Downing Str...

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Steve Rotheram ✔ @MetroMayorSteve "If Boris Johnson is in Liverpool this week – he should put time aside to, at long last, acknowledge the pain he caused as Editor of the Spectator, in publishing an article that smeared our city and the lives of 96 football fans who lost their lives at Hillsborough....

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AndyClaret wrote:He's ruling out campaigning for no deal, not ruling it out completely.

Apparently he's hasn't ruled out campaigning for 'no-deal'

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Sexual abuse was never acceptable. It was illegal at the time the alleged offences took place so by definition it wasn’t acceptable. Not sure how, or why, anyone can argue differently. Sentences were far, far more lenient though, that's why the likes of Rolf Harris and Stuart Hall could only be giv...

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summitclaret wrote:Think about it. Burnley won't votd tory but will BP. That's i seat for brexit.

That's why I can't see how Boris Johnson can win an outright majority. In die hard Labour seats they may really want to leave the EU but voters will never vote Tory in a million years.

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Sebastian Payne
@SebastianEPayne
At least 50 Conservative MPs including three cabinet ministers would revolt against a manifesto pledging to pursue no deal Brexit.

MPs call the idea of the Tories advocating no deal “lunacy”, “madness” and “ludicrous”.

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