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by claretspice
Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Warburton the preferred choice as Technical Director
Replies: 132
Views: 12777

Re: Warburton the preferred choice as Technical Director

Cheers for that mate. So if I am understanding right it's another level of management whose remit is whatever the club wants it to be but one that should, if it works, relieves the manager of some tasks that take up too much non-footballing time? Sounds like a plan but presumably they won't come ch...
by claretspice
Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley's last six months - Sliding Doors!
Replies: 95
Views: 8895

Re: Burnley's last six months - Sliding Doors!

HiroshimaClaret wrote:`12 months ago`
`last season`

It certainly is NOT working this season. As you say though...just details.
This seems like quite a grand conclusion considering we've only used it twice this season with Defour (around whom it is based), and both those games have been against title contenders.
by claretspice
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:09 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Your team v West Ham
Replies: 47
Views: 4572

Re: Your team v West Ham

----------------Hart Bardsley Tarks Mee Taylor Lennon Defour Hendrick JBG ----------Brady/Vdyra -------------Vokes Lowton's defending in the last 2 weeks has looked extremely suspect to me, so serious case for a change at right back. We need Hendrick's physicality and athleticism in midfield - you c...
by claretspice
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley's last six months - Sliding Doors!
Replies: 95
Views: 8895

Re: Burnley's last six months - Sliding Doors!

I actually meant a double substitution. These are details though - it's just a case of swapping your own judgment of what is "right" tactically, for Dyche's. The shape Dyche adopted on Sunday, before and after the first change, is exactly the shape that worked brilliantly for us 12 months ago, and ...
by claretspice
Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:40 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Warburton the preferred choice as Technical Director
Replies: 132
Views: 12777

Re: Warburton the preferred choice as Technical Director

I don’t mind Warburton but from my limited knowledge about him he doesn’t have the knowledge and contacts for European recruitment that our directors are specifically saying they are looking for in a TD. If we end up with one of Sean’s mates it will appear an uninspiring appointment and feel like w...
by claretspice
Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:35 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Warburton the preferred choice as Technical Director
Replies: 132
Views: 12777

Re: Warburton the preferred choice as Technical Director

I must say that looks a very strong shortlist. Hammond was very much the template for this sort of role when he was doing it at Reading a decade ago - he nearly replaced David Dein at Arsenal. Mike Rigg also has excellent pedigree (although if you wanted to be critical you'd question why he's ended ...
by claretspice
Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leadership
Replies: 44
Views: 5001

Re: Leadership

[quote="IWOODLOVETT"]No problem with their character - they just need leadership. I rest my But that is an element of the character balance within the squad, which we all agree helped them overachieve last season. How did they manage to overachieve with a captain who finds captaincy a burden, and wh...
by claretspice
Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leadership
Replies: 44
Views: 5001

Re: Leadership

Yes but it’s not just a few iffy results is it? It dates back some time now, doesn’t it? Not really, no - not in the grand scheme of things. And the personnel- those strong characters who helped us overachieve as a collective- they're the same players who we've got now. They're a bit less confident...
by claretspice
Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leadership
Replies: 44
Views: 5001

Re: Leadership

IWOODLOVETT wrote:???? I think most would agree that we over-achieved last season.
Yes. My point exactly - a lot of people attributed that overachievement to the characters within the squad.

Suddenly, a few iffy results later, we're concluding the opposite is true.
by claretspice
Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leadership
Replies: 44
Views: 5001

Re: Leadership

Last season, it was the character of the squad which was held up as one key reason why we were underachieving. Now we're struggling a bit - but only a bit- suddenly it's the lack of character in the squad that's the problem. Not sure that's intuition. Strikes me more like putting 2 and 2 together an...
by claretspice
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leadership
Replies: 44
Views: 5001

Re: Leadership

How would I know? From experience, from knowledge of the game, from watching body language, from observing a drop in collective and individual form and from wracking my brains as to why things are happening as they are. Strikes me as guess work. Without being in the dressing room it's impossible fo...
by claretspice
Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leadership
Replies: 44
Views: 5001

Re: Leadership

Much as I like him, Ben is not the best man for the job and I am sure that his game would pick-up without the burden of captaincy. His success last year was only based on leading a side who had over-achieved and were upbeat in the early games, but all that fell away towards the end of the season an...
by claretspice
Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leadership
Replies: 44
Views: 5001

Re: Leadership

Bournemouth We're not discussing other teams. What people are saying is what they think we need currently to reverse the downward spiral we are in. A midfield spoiler is a must. Can you recall when we last dominated a match from midfield? It's a while ago. Bournemouth at home, a month ago. Does a "s...
by claretspice
Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley's last six months - Sliding Doors!
Replies: 95
Views: 8895

Re: Burnley's last six months - Sliding Doors!

An excellent read, jdrobbo. Haven`t been on here for a while as I`ve had family over but watched the Chelsea game. VERY happy to see Defour and Brady back in tandem again and for the first 15 or 20 minutes it was a pleasure to watch us. The inevitable happeened though and we were ripped to shreds a...
by claretspice
Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leadership
Replies: 44
Views: 5001

Re: Leadership

Why do people think that crunching into tackles is the hallmark of leadership? Ben Mee is our organiser on the pitch. Has been for the last 18 months at least (since Heaton left, but I suspect Mee's been an influential talker and leader for longer than that). He clearly did an excellent job at it la...
by claretspice
Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Leadership
Replies: 44
Views: 5001

Re: Leadership

Why do people think that crunching into tackles is the hallmark of leadership? Ben Mee is our organiser on the pitch. Has been for the last 18 months at least (since Heaton left, but I suspect Mee's been an influential talker and leader for longer than that). He clearly did an excellent job at it la...
by claretspice
Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Still badly missing pace up front
Replies: 35
Views: 3554

Re: Still badly missing pace up front

Looking forward to getting Lennon into the team when Defour is playing in a match where we have something of the ball - then I think we'll see the best of him and he'll give us that pace on the break that we don't quite have. Very few teams outside the top teams in the PL have searing pace up top - ...
by claretspice
Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley's last six months - Sliding Doors!
Replies: 95
Views: 8895

Re: Burnley's last six months - Sliding Doors!

I'm pretty sure you can overthink our form this season, and in particular our "effort" levels. Players who are out of confidence and form do look more hesitant, and they retreat into their comfort zone rather than being more proactive about their defending. We've defended in different ways at differ...
by claretspice
Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Three in central midfield?
Replies: 13
Views: 1945

Re: Three in central midfield?

Spijed wrote:What system did West Ham adopt to counter Chelsea in their 0-0 draw?
4-1-4-1 I think, with Declan Rice in front of the back 4.
by claretspice
Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Jack Cork
Replies: 31
Views: 4565

Re: Jack Cork

Think if you look at stats since JC's return, he'll have covered the most ground and at a guess completed the most passes during matches. Maybe wrong, and I know stats don't always tell the whole story, but that's how it looks to me. I think Cork is playing in a slightly more advanced role of late,...
by claretspice
Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Three in central midfield?
Replies: 13
Views: 1945

Re: Three in central midfield?

IMO we are still getting 'overrun' in central midfield and we need to solve this problem asap. We could move away from our rather predictable 4-4-1-1 or 4-4-2 by trying a more narrow 4-3-2-1 lineup e.g. Westwood - Defour - Cork (McNeil) - - - -JBG - - - - - - Brady - - - - - Centre forward Vydra an...
by claretspice
Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Why aren't we difficult to beat anymore?
Replies: 38
Views: 3341

Re: Why aren't we difficult to beat anymore?

I agree that the problem probably stems from midfield rather than defence, although I thought Brady and Defour did ok today considering. Cork was desperately poor though. We could do with a Dean Marney of a few years ago... I don't think decent Championship players who got stuck in are the answer. ...
by claretspice
Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Vydra the new wells
Replies: 44
Views: 5502

Re: Vydra the new wells

I agree with Frank, in that the only match I really can't understand why Vydra didn't start is the Huddersfield game. He was injured earlier in the season, had a good game against Bournemouth, was less good against Cardiff but then inexplicably dropped for the Bournemouth game. Since then, Defour ha...
by claretspice
Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Why aren't we difficult to beat anymore?
Replies: 38
Views: 3341

Re: Why aren't we difficult to beat anymore?

The team looks flat. That's not about today or last week, although we all know we were far more competitive against the best sides last season that we have been so far this year. For me it stems from the summer. The message that we sent out was "as you were". Ignoring the fact that our relatively s...
by claretspice
Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Joe Hart
Replies: 39
Views: 5929

Re: Joe Hart

agreenwood wrote:Equally I've no idea what you're talking about with regards to Claretspice.
Nor me.
by claretspice
Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Hendrick Substitution
Replies: 59
Views: 6036

Re: Hendrick Substitution

Agree with all of that. I’ve watched Burnley for 40 odd years, and can’t remember feeling so so bored watching this team.it matters not that we are in the Premier league, it’s anti football we are watching. I’m a season ticket holder and unbelievably thought about not attending today. I honestly wi...
by claretspice
Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:11 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Hendrick Substitution
Replies: 59
Views: 6036

Re: Hendrick Substitution

DCWat wrote:Not sure Chelsea got out of second gear
I think they did. They had to raise us; we started well.
by claretspice
Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:10 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Joe Hart
Replies: 39
Views: 5929

Re: Joe Hart

Agree with AG. To absolve him entirely of blame for some of the confusion in our back four seems a bit odd to me. He made a couple of excellent saves today, but I thought he should have done significantly better for the second goal and his reaction suggested he felt the same. That goal came with Che...
by claretspice
Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Hendrick Substitution
Replies: 59
Views: 6036

Re: Hendrick Substitution

It was an awful, really squirming moment. Not sure Dyche was correct to take him off- he deserved the chance to slot in alongside Defour ahead of the well off colour Cork, and so he probably did him a disservice- but the reaction was dreadful to hear. Whether it was aimed at Hendrick, or at the mana...
by claretspice
Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Chelsea - Player Ratings
Replies: 65
Views: 17469

Re: Burnley v Chelsea - Player Ratings

Weird game in which we did some things well, but unusually (and slightly concerningly) for us our defensive shape didn't do enough to make things difficult for Chelsea at times - partly because they were very good, but partly because we weren't at it. Hart - 7 - a couple of very good saves, but foun...
by claretspice
Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Your team v Chelsea
Replies: 41
Views: 3282

Re: Your team v Chelsea

----------Hart Lowton Tarks New Taylor JBG Cork Defour Hendrick ------------Vydra ------------Vokes No easy fix against Chelsea, but Vydra can do two jobs here- firstly hustle Jorginho (Chelsea's metronome) at the base of Chelsea's midfield, and secondly peel into the channel behind Alonso, who is a...
by claretspice
Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Vokes to sign new deal?
Replies: 66
Views: 6546

Re: Vokes to sign new deal?

But you should rate him....he cost us pence and he produces season on season. He's a one in four striker. That's great for a team like us. What do other Premiership (sic) sides have to do with it? Id go further- if you take Sam's minutes on the pitch, his goals since we last came up have come every...
by claretspice
Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Vokes to sign new deal?
Replies: 66
Views: 6546

Re: Vokes to sign new deal?

Great news. Excellent link player is Sam. And his record of a goal every 2.5 games in the Premier League (every 230 minutes of thereabouts) over the last 2 years puts him in seriously expensive company. Clearly a lot on this thread. But the minute Burnley fans as a whole stop appreciating the likes ...
by claretspice
Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley versus chelsea.
Replies: 53
Views: 5566

Re: Burnley versus chelsea.

Kante has been playing narrow on the right side of a central 3 for Chelsea - he's one of the players who has looked less comfortable in Sarri's set up. The key to Chelsea this season has been Jorginho, sitting at the base of that midfield 3 and spraying passes. There's definitely an argument that if...
by claretspice
Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:36 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: January transfer window
Replies: 119
Views: 10785

Re: January transfer window

Looking more like the wells signing every week. Barely featuring. Signed him injured. From the championship. Unproven at this level. Doesnt look like a Dyche striker. I like him. Looks tricky, quick and direct. What we need. But its looking puzzling. This is way too early. Firstly, it isn't like Dy...
by claretspice
Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: January transfer window
Replies: 119
Views: 10785

Re: January transfer window

Tbh I am not sure of the value of looking at the ratio in the way you have. That’s not usually his goalscorers are judged - it’s goals per game. I know a player cannot score whilst he is off the pitch - but the reason they are off the pitch is usually because they are not good enough to start (or f...
by claretspice
Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: January transfer window
Replies: 119
Views: 10785

Re: January transfer window

is 1 in 2.7 really significantly better than 1 in 4? Dont get me wrong. Barnes and Vokes have both achieved way ,ore than we ever expected from them. And both have decent enough records at this level. But we still need someone a bit more dynamic. Yes, it is. It's an excellent goalscoring record. It...
by claretspice
Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:23 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: January transfer window
Replies: 119
Views: 10785

Re: January transfer window

Do they ? I think Vokes and Barnes considering they both cost half a million each have respectable records given what we paid for them. But goals to game ratio for both I doubt is that great. Chris Wood is about 1 in 4 goals to appearances in think - could not tell you whether that’s respectable or...
by claretspice
Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:37 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: January transfer window
Replies: 119
Views: 10785

Re: January transfer window

I personally think Mee will play LB before Gibson does. Either way, it's a square peg in a round hole....but both would perhaps offer more solidity (for now). I don't agree, simply because Mee is the more senior player and is the captain and organiser of the back 4. It doesn't make sense for him to...
by claretspice
Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: January transfer window
Replies: 119
Views: 10785

Re: January transfer window

I'm not at all convinced by the idea Brady is much better defensively than Lennon or JBG when they're on the left flank, if I'm honest, nor that a lack of cover is Taylor's primary problem. He's young (ish) and he's still adapting, and there's absolutely no problem with that, but I'm a bit worried t...
by claretspice
Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: January transfer window
Replies: 119
Views: 10785

Re: January transfer window

top level strikers help create as well as score - that's the difference. We have two woefully out of form (Barnes and Wood) and one who if we are being honest isn't quite good enough for week in week out (Vokes). Plus another in Vydra who looks like being the next tampax Mumby. Think you are being ...
by claretspice
Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: January transfer window
Replies: 119
Views: 10785

Re: January transfer window

May be Gibbson will step up to this plate. Certainly a good stop gap option and if he's fit, I'd be tempted to put Gibson there on Sunday instead of Taylor (who I think has had a tough few weeks). But Gibson is really a centre back and whilst he started at left back and can undoubtedly do a job the...
by claretspice
Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: January transfer window
Replies: 119
Views: 10785

Re: January transfer window

Start with a left back, first abd foremost.
by claretspice
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Manchester City v Burnley - Player Ratings
Replies: 37
Views: 9496

Re: Manchester City v Burnley - Player Ratings

Normally find myself agreeing with many of your posts spice and I must admit I’ve only watched the game on sky sports extended highlights but I find Tarks getting an 8 generous considering he atleast twice looses sight of his man (aguero then silva) from crosses which lead to glorious opportunities...
by claretspice
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Jeff's Tackle
Replies: 20
Views: 3676

Re: Jeff's Tackle

We were a long way from the Hendrick incident live, but my immediate reaction was yellow and the City players' reaction (usually a decent indicator) suggested that it was only a yellow too. Admittedly lots of City fans might say that of the Kompany one but the fact neither Sky nor BBC deemed it wort...
by claretspice
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Lowton
Replies: 18
Views: 5011

Re: Lowton

Huge fan of Lowton but viewing the highlights suggests that on at least 2 and probably 3 occasions in the first half, his positioning allowed men to get in between him and Tarks and get onto Mahrez's crosses - Aguerro twice, Silva once. Bardsley is inferior to Lowton in almoat every way, but possibl...
by claretspice
Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 2nd Goal
Replies: 79
Views: 7454

Re: 2nd Goal

can't agree with that, I predicted a win for us, but 5-0 is a right hammering , i accept it it may have rattled us , but that can't justify scoreline. I completely agree that we didn't react well enough to the set-back and adversity of the second goal, but that's not incompatible with saying that w...
by claretspice
Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 2nd Goal
Replies: 79
Views: 7454

Re: 2nd Goal

can't agree with that, I predicted a win for us, but 5-0 is a right hammering , i accept it it may have rattled us , but that can't justify scoreline. I completely agree that we didn't react well enough to the set-back and adversity of the second goal, but that's not incompatible with saying that w...
by claretspice
Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Nine matches in - what do you think so far?
Replies: 91
Views: 7315

Re: Nine matches in - what do you think so far?

I suspect the season is going to be one of consolidation, rather than real progress either in terms of style or results, but perhaps that was inevitable given how well we did last season. It'll be a grind, and I doubt we'll be all that comfortable at any point this season, but my gut is that we've g...
by claretspice
Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 2nd Goal
Replies: 79
Views: 7454

Re: 2nd Goal

if we were beaten 1-0 and that was the goal that did it, then fair enough, but come on !! 5-0 We were in the game at 1-0 though (see for example Spurs away last season), and in truth the 15 minutes of play before the second goal had generally seen us be competitive. The truth is that the second goa...