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by aggi
Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:15 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12038

Re: Administration?

I am not keen on ALK/Pace in general but even I'm willing to concede that this statement is a bit of a nothing passage. If I have a sandwich shop it's akin to my auditors saying 'if this kid is unable to make sandwiches, or is unable to procure stock to make said sandwiches, or the premises falls d...
by aggi
Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:46 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12038

Re: Administration?

The long and short: The auditors have confirmed that there is a risk we would not be a going concern as per note 2.4 in our accounts (as posted by aggi above) Essentially the board has stated the main risk to us is relegation from the PL (and the reduced revenue as a result) but if that happened it...
by aggi
Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:31 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored
Replies: 29
Views: 2475

Re: Sequence of events after Wolves Scored

VAR was checking for offside. It wasn't particularly close though.

The freekick can't get checked.
by aggi
Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12038

Re: Administration?

This is the wording from the accounts. There's a risk, it's probably not that big a risk: These financial statements are prepared on a going concern basis. The directors have reasonable expectation that the group will continue in operation existence for the foreseeable future. The directors are awar...
by aggi
Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley vs Wolves
Replies: 338
Views: 11213

Re: Burnley vs Wolves

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:15 pm
O’Shea couldn’t pass wind.
In over 60 years of watching Burnley I’ve never seen a worse passer of a football.
His assist tonight must have been a mis-hit.
He's got the most assists in the team this season.
by aggi
Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12765
Views: 1248031

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

there are a couple of howlers in Section 4 - one is completely different to a filing at Companies house two days previous the use of "in" rather than "of" serves a significantly different purpose in my understanding of language Ah yes, looks like the document was prepared in advance and never updat...
by aggi
Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12765
Views: 1248031

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

If you click through to this page - there are a series of documents hidden at the bottom right hand side https://www.assetmatch.com/app/OurCompanies/CompanyProfile?companyId=2560 one of which is the Admission Statement - a document legally required in such sales events by the Financial Conduct Auth...
by aggi
Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12038

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

Brighton just announced a British record 123m profit for a football club Second highest after Spurs in 2018. Mainly driven by Chelsea it looks like! Not only the players but £23m for Potter. Interesting to see that the club has started to pay back a bit, £35m, of the £400m or so that is owed to the...
by aggi
Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12765
Views: 1248031

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

My point is that ALK paid a lot more than that when they bought the club and they offered over 5 times that amount not so long ago. That looks more like the price the shares were traded at when we were in the third tier. Yes, because buying shares to gain control is a lot different to buying a hand...
by aggi
Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12765
Views: 1248031

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

I got a mail about this last week. 122478 shares at 300 quid each is less than 37m, has the value of the club slumped that much? Are they trying to pick up shares on the cheap? It's not a very dynamic website, I expected to see more than just an advertising page. Small shareholdings in a limited co...
by aggi
Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12038

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

Goliath wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:49 pm
The bigger picture is we are up **** creek if we don't go back up within 2 or 3 years.
That is true of any Championship club without owners who will subsidise them by tens of millions.
by aggi
Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12038

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

My main concern even if we go down is the money that we may be committed to pay yet on Tresor and that we will be for Ramsey, Trafford and Amdouni. I hope that there a big proportion of their fees yet to be paid are performance based. As an illustration on how much can be performance based: In thes...
by aggi
Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12038

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

Need to have a longer look at the accounts but from what I have seen they are worse than I was expecting. The wages were higher than I was expecting but I’m guessing they will have included promotion bonuses given we went up 2 or 3 months before the year end. They may also include some payments to ...
by aggi
Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12038

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

I'm not financial expert but it reads how you would expect, no major surprises, no major worries. good job Alan I'd say the confirmation of the increase in the loan is the major thing. Previous loans had been used to fund the purchase of the club. Not ideal but not something that reflects on day-to...
by aggi
Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12038

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

Obvious thing is the jump in loans from ~ £45m to £70m. I imagine that was mainly to fund the player trading (although the amounts we owe on transfers has already likely gone up). Wages down from £92m to £53.5m. Surprised they didn't cut that more given relegation clauses and a lot of experienced pl...
by aggi
Mon Apr 01, 2024 8:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Refereeing bias
Replies: 8
Views: 1475

Re: Refereeing bias

There's definitely a bias when it comes to yellow cards. And I say this, we'll aware that I, too, am biased. But I often look at the end of games, where we will have 2 or 3 more yellows than the opposition, thinking we've been kicked all over the park, and have been the victim of countless cynical ...
by aggi
Mon Apr 01, 2024 7:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Todays football 1st April
Replies: 110
Views: 4795

Re: Todays football 1st April

Is Roberts injured at Leeds?
by aggi
Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:40 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The Burnley documentaries-who gets paid?
Replies: 16
Views: 1430

Re: The Burnley documentaries-who gets paid?

I've been involved in TV residuals over the years and it's a real minefield. Payments generally come out of profits and a lot of effort is made to keep those paper profits low. Wrexham probably receive some share (whether flat fee or percentage) as there is a fair bit of filming at the ground/with t...
by aggi
Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Malaysia
Replies: 4
Views: 742

Re: Malaysia

Pretty sure I just got a taxi from the airport.
by aggi
Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: International matches with most Burnley links
Replies: 18
Views: 1204

Re: International matches with most Burnley links

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:42 pm
I hadn't considered Duffy as the ex-Claret making it five for Ireland
Me neither until someone further up the thread said it.
by aggi
Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Season tickets next season
Replies: 839
Views: 53836

Re: Season tickets next season

On concessions this is the recent Spurs policy: - Senior Concessions: The number of senior concession Season Tickets has risen to four times the number at White Hart Lane – not taking matchday concessions into account. This increase is clearly not sustainable and will start to limit ticket choice fo...
by aggi
Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Season tickets next season
Replies: 839
Views: 53836

Re: Season tickets next season

Lots of clubs have been squeezing their concession prices (to a fair bit of outrage). Looks like we have joined the gang ...
by aggi
Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Season tickets next season
Replies: 839
Views: 53836

Re: Season tickets next season

Slightly cheekily they deleted the webpage showing last season's prices. This is the archived page

https://web.archive.org/web/20230226160 ... ale-friday
by aggi
Wed Mar 27, 2024 12:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: International matches with most Burnley links
Replies: 18
Views: 1204

Re: International matches with most Burnley links

ROI games against Wales seem to be the one.

2017 match with Hennessey and Vokes for Wales and Ward, Duffy, Hendrick, Brady and Kevin Long for ROI gives 7.
by aggi
Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: James Trafford England call up
Replies: 194
Views: 10122

Re: James Trafford England call up

An interesting stat from the Athletic:
Trafford ... has the highest cross-stop percentage of any English goalkeeper in the Premier League (7.2 per cent).
by aggi
Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Joey’s in bother again
Replies: 394
Views: 28000

Re: Joey’s in bother again

Damo wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:05 am
"Grift" seems to be a weird buzz word on here and tw!tter.
Especially when it's levelled against a millionaire who is falling out with the "buy me a coffee" and "lets crowd fund a lawsuit" brigade.
Weird to say the least
Ha.
by aggi
Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:46 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: General Info - Chelsea (a)
Replies: 29
Views: 2068

Re: General Info - Chelsea (a)

The Sloaney Pony as it's also known. Be ready to take out a new mortgage for a pint in there.
by aggi
Fri Mar 22, 2024 7:44 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley Women
Replies: 59
Views: 9311

Re: Burnley Women

Looks like it's going to be a step too far to keep up with Newcastle this season. We've got four games in hand over therm but they're 19 points ahead having won 16 of 18 games and 4 more to play.
by aggi
Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:04 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The Royals.
Replies: 46
Views: 3455

Re: The Royals.

Recent attempts to measure the size of the impact of the royal family on UK tourism have estimated the capital value of UK monarchy as a business to be £67.5 billion (up from £44 billion in 2012) and the annual contribution to the UK economy to be £1.766 billion. And then both the monarch and Duchy...
by aggi
Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:11 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Next seasons kit manufacturer - Castore
Replies: 86
Views: 4920

Re: Next seasons kit manufacturer - Castore

Umbro don't manufacture their own stuff. The Umbro brand is owned by Iconix who own a variety of fashion brands (disappointed we didn't go with their other brand Pony rather than Umbro) and just does licensing and marketing for them. The UK licence for Umbro is held by GL Dameck who do the actual pr...
by aggi
Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Independent Football Regulator
Replies: 30
Views: 1661

Re: Independent Football Regulator

Well this is predictable https://news.sky.com/story/fa-urged-by-government-to-consider-banning-transgender-women-from-playing-womens-football-to-prevent-unfair-advantage-13098207 It's a complicated area and I wouldn't like to say either way what the decision should be but I do think it's not an area...
by aggi
Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:01 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: HAPPY MONDAY!. FOREST, points deduction?
Replies: 142
Views: 10114

Re: HAPPY MONDAY!. FOREST, points deduction?

I have to say your first point seems somewhat self contradictory : "apart from when you sell players for a profit, it doesn't affect profit" on your second point I think you'll have to prorate things no matter where you draw the cutoff point anyway so kind of a moot point. The rest is fair enough. ...
by aggi
Tue Mar 19, 2024 10:38 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: HAPPY MONDAY!. FOREST, points deduction?
Replies: 142
Views: 10114

Re: HAPPY MONDAY!. FOREST, points deduction?

I think having the cutoff point at the end of the summer transfer window is what makes the most sense, thats the period where the bulk of clubs financial activity occurs so why not have the two aligned? Whats the advantage of having a somewhat arbitrary cutoff point in the middle of the window? Als...
by aggi
Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: HAPPY MONDAY!. FOREST, points deduction?
Replies: 142
Views: 10114

Re: HAPPY MONDAY!. FOREST, points deduction?

yes so if they had sold Johsnson in June for 35 million they would have had losses of around 60 mil for the 3 year period (1 mil below the max allowed). But instead they sold 2 months later for a greater amount and as such have made a smaller loss during those same 3 years (around 48 mil). The curr...
by aggi
Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: HAPPY MONDAY!. FOREST, points deduction?
Replies: 142
Views: 10114

Re: HAPPY MONDAY!. FOREST, points deduction?

Different panels might affect it but from what I can understand the Forest situation was nothing like as bad as Everton. And if they can persuade a panel to understand the Johnson situation then they could win their appeal. Reference was made to the appropriate benchmark being the EFL deduction of ...
by aggi
Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Thomas Frank
Replies: 27
Views: 2776

Re: Thomas Frank

The goal would have been ruled out and a penalty given is what I’m told as daft as that seems I wonder why that would be. I seem to remember there used to be a rule that you couldn't play advantage when it was a penalty but I thought that went years ago. You see a player getting cleaned out in the ...
by aggi
Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: HAPPY MONDAY!. FOREST, points deduction?
Replies: 142
Views: 10114

Re: HAPPY MONDAY!. FOREST, points deduction?

Wonder why it wasn't six. Feels very much like they are making it up as they go along.
by aggi
Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:59 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Thomas Frank
Replies: 27
Views: 2776

Re: Thomas Frank

But they did judge it and that's why we had the long wait. They were still checking for a potential foul by Muric when the goal was scored and that check had to be completed before the goal could be given. But they weren't going to disallow the goal to give the foul so we don't know what the outcom...
by aggi
Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:30 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Thomas Frank
Replies: 27
Views: 2776

Re: Thomas Frank

Had it not been for them scoring, I did wonder if VAR would have looked at the Muric challenge on Toney. He seemed to go through the back of him to claw the ball away a few moments earlier. I think Muric got a bit lucky there. Could easily see that being a penalty but not judged as they socred with...
by aggi
Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:06 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Relegation Run-In
Replies: 40
Views: 5741

Re: Relegation Run-In

The magic numbers spreadsheet has an average position of opponets left to play (and the next 4):
Screenshot 2024-03-18 100007.jpg
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
by aggi
Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:26 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: RATE THE REF - Darren Bond v Brentford
Replies: 49
Views: 2134

Re: RATE THE REF - Darren Bond v Brentford

ClaretLoup wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:16 pm
A back pass has to be played by the foot. The keeper can pick it up if it comes off the shin, knee or thigh. In this case it came off the Bees player’s knee.
Ah, that will be it then. Thought it came off his foot.
by aggi
Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: James Trafford's Contract
Replies: 168
Views: 10028

Re: James Trafford's Contract

I hear Trafford has started a gofundme for legal action over breach of contract.

Any damages to go to charity.
by aggi
Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Cryptocurrency
Replies: 697
Views: 75228

Re: Cryptocurrency

Shaggy wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:13 am
The USD needs to stop pumping though as crypto tends to drop with a strong Dollar.
Those who are expecting/hoping for crypto to soar to huge values probably need to consider that this will likely be matched to a slump in the dollar and what that will mean for the global economy.
by aggi
Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: MURIC IS IN!
Replies: 54
Views: 3184

Re: MURIC IS IN!

Has the hit been called off then?
by aggi
Fri Mar 15, 2024 11:25 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Joey’s in bother again
Replies: 394
Views: 28000

Re: Joey’s in bother again

daveisaclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2024 9:30 am
Crowdfunding a legal defence by promising all proceeds to charity is an unusual move. Especially when you've clearly and openly done what you're accused of.
Particularly when he's the defendant. I can't see many damages coming from that.
by aggi
Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:03 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Joey’s in bother again
Replies: 394
Views: 28000

Re: Joey’s in bother again

daveisaclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2024 9:45 am
I suppose one man's "childish back-and-forth" is another man's "it's very obviously not legal to baselessly accuse someone of being a paedophile"
Well, Elon Musk could certainly dispute that.
by aggi
Fri Mar 15, 2024 9:00 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Joey’s in bother again
Replies: 394
Views: 28000

Re: Joey’s in bother again

aggi wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:16 pm
Calling someone a "nonce" is probably viewed as more defamatory than calling someone boring.
Yep.

https://www.thesun.ie/tv/12460139/jerem ... ey-barton/
by aggi
Thu Mar 14, 2024 4:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Should we be shilling a crypto card product when we can't promote our own Season Cards?
Replies: 36
Views: 1410

Re: Should we be shilling a crypto card product when we can't promote our own Season Cards?

But could you also lose some/all of your money? You could (although the way things are going you could double your money). But you could also lose all of your money (a lot easier) with any of our myriad of gambling partners. You could lose all of your money with our official mattress partner (Emma ...
by aggi
Thu Mar 14, 2024 2:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Should we be shilling a crypto card product when we can't promote our own Season Cards?
Replies: 36
Views: 1410

Re: Should we be shilling a crypto card product when we can't promote our own Season Cards?

Compared to what many other clubs have done I find it hard to get excited or worked up about this. It's nothing like those clubs with NFCs or tokens to participate in fan engagement. Out of all the bad choices we may have made this one seems OK. Uphold is a an exchange, that also has what are effect...
by aggi
Thu Mar 14, 2024 1:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Assignon, Esteve and Fofana
Replies: 98
Views: 6830

Re: Assignon, Esteve and Fofana

He was highly rated in France, he's an under-21 French international, He was linked with Brighton, AC Milan, Sassuolo and Arsenal and although it doesn't mean anything other than it being an opinion of establishments - He's highly rated on Football Manager. Whilst you might snigger at the final exa...