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by nil_desperandum
Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: England v West Indies - 3rd test
Replies: 84
Views: 8401

Re: England v West Indies - 3rd test

tybfc wrote:Are you having a complete laugh?
Of course he was. Lighten up.
by nil_desperandum
Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: jerusalem
Replies: 37
Views: 4234

Re: jerusalem

With regards to flags. I think it should be pointed out that EU flags were actually banned from the Proms concerts this season - except for tonight, and whilst it is the case that EU flags were made available outside the hall for those who wanted them, it was publicised in advance by some tabloids, ...
by nil_desperandum
Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:32 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: jerusalem
Replies: 37
Views: 4234

Re: jerusalem

Bin Ont Turf wrote:From the EU my arse.
I think you fell for that one.
by nil_desperandum
Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: jerusalem
Replies: 37
Views: 4234

Re: jerusalem

It's pretty easy to understand. You have a Lithuanian national there waving a Lithuanian flag, someone from Japan waving a Japanese flag, a Swede waving the Swedish flag etc. Then you have someone from Leamington Spa waving an EU flag (that they got at the door) because a vote didn't go the way he/...
by nil_desperandum
Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:17 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: jerusalem
Replies: 37
Views: 4234

Re: jerusalem

I just find it bemusing that people want to wave flags on behalf of a trading block. I get the bit about some people want to stay in it, but I don't get how you can be patriotic for a trading block, to an even greater degree than your own country. . Fair enough comments above, but I think you'll fi...
by nil_desperandum
Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: jerusalem
Replies: 37
Views: 4234

Re: jerusalem

I was just about to start a thread about the Last Night At The Proms, but this will do. Plenty of absolute tossers there waving the EU flag and trying to politicise the event. I think it's great that we see so many different nations flags being waved, but them whining tossers waving the EU flag sho...
by nil_desperandum
Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: England v West Indies - 3rd test
Replies: 84
Views: 8401

Re: England v West Indies - 3rd test

It will be very interesting to see if he gets a Knighthood. Lesser cricketing "giants" have received this honour. Here's the full list of English cricketing Knights. (n.b. Botham not included as his Knighthood wasn't for "services to cricket".) Sir George Oswald Browning "Gubby" Allen CBE (born in A...
by nil_desperandum
Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:34 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Rees-Mogg
Replies: 231
Views: 19583

Re: Rees-Mogg

I appreciate the reply, and your unwillingness to get into a deep conversation re this issue, but just to clarify things, my original post on this matter was I reply to the following, from Hatfield Claret... "I don't think he (JRM) was saying he followed the Bible, he was following the teachings of...
by nil_desperandum
Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Rees-Mogg
Replies: 231
Views: 19583

Re: Rees-Mogg

Like what? I don't know of any Catholic scriptures or holy books that aren't the bible. I'm aware there was a load of stuff that didn't make "the final cut" but that was a decision by the church itself, wasn't it? (the council of Nicene?) Hi Greenmile, I don't have time, or inclination (tbh) to get...
by nil_desperandum
Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Rees-Mogg
Replies: 231
Views: 19583

Re: Rees-Mogg

Greenmile wrote:The bible, then.
Not necessarily. There are many other source materials other than the Bible.
Even the Bible is not standard. The "Catholic" Bible having 73 books, (6 more than the standard "Anglican" / King James version.)
by nil_desperandum
Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:21 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Rees-Mogg
Replies: 231
Views: 19583

Re: Rees-Mogg

Greenmile wrote:What does the Catholic Church base its teachings on then? Can the Pope just make stuff up that they all then have to follow?
Obviously it's down to interpretation of Holy books, the Old testament, Scripture etc. That's why there are so many different denominations of the church. Islam is the same.
by nil_desperandum
Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: How hard is it to find a good opening batsman for England?
Replies: 21
Views: 2065

Re: How hard is it to find a good opening batsman for England?

Broad would be picked before Jimmy in Australian conditions. It might be worth going with 5 quick bowlers if we're not getting benefit from the extra batter. Someone like Wood or Finn for the extra bounce. It would keep them fresh in the high temperatures. The way Anderson and Broad have bowled thi...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:09 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: How hard is it to find a good opening batsman for England?
Replies: 21
Views: 2065

Re: How hard is it to find a good opening batsman for England?

Who are your top 4 Assume Broad and Anderson are your 10 and 11 Due to the selectors messing things up this summer, I'm not sure, but 2 are obvious - Root and Cook. I'd most likely go with Hameed and Stoneman as openers / no. 3, and Malan has a chance to secure a place in this test Root could, of c...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:38 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: How hard is it to find a good opening batsman for England?
Replies: 21
Views: 2065

Re: How hard is it to find a good opening batsman for England?

Think Hameed and Hales should go as openers to partner Cook. Positions 3 and 5 are more worrying and I have no suggestions for those slots Hales should definitely go based on his form this season, but remember that he has moved to the middle order at Notts. Can't see a logic in taking him as an ope...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:56 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: How hard is it to find a good opening batsman for England?
Replies: 21
Views: 2065

Re: How hard is it to find a good opening batsman for England?

Stoneman should have been selected earlier in the season so that he could be better evaluated. His stats are poor, but on at least 2 occasions i can think of, he got balls that were just about unplayable.
by nil_desperandum
Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:52 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Tipping point
Replies: 26
Views: 3698

Re: Tipping point

I wouldn't worry about it. There was a guy on there the other day who couldn't tell them where Rhodes was. Not surprised by that at all. I'm from a generation where we studied maps at school and we learnt countries, capitals, rivers etc. This sort of teaching largely disappeared in recent decades. ...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:40 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: England v West Indies - 3rd test
Replies: 84
Views: 8401

Re: England v West Indies - 3rd test

Certainly our main worry, lack of top order batsmen. I cant for the life of me see why Moeen Ali doesn't open with Cook. Because he's been tried in bowling conditions far more favorable than in Australia, and it was a disaster. Why tinker with something that isn't broken? Our all-rounders batting a...
by nil_desperandum
Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: England v West Indies - 3rd test
Replies: 84
Views: 8401

Re: England v West Indies - 3rd test

Have you seen that Aussie top order? Warner and Smith apart, neither of whom I rate, they have zilch. Our 6, 7, 8 and possibly 9 will get us enough runs to win tests down there. Oh, I'm very well aware of the Australian frailties. They are a poor team by Aussie standards, but they have a much bette...
by nil_desperandum
Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Rees-Mogg
Replies: 231
Views: 19583

Re: Rees-Mogg

I agree, if it was Mogg versus Corbyn I would be torn between voting for Mogg due to the rage he would cause the snowflake generation, and voting for Corbyn so that the snowflakes get some life experience of his economic policies. It would genuinely be a tough call. :lol: It would really depend on ...
by nil_desperandum
Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Lowerhouse accuse Clitheroe
Replies: 80
Views: 12558

Re: Lowerhouse accuse Clitheroe

I think that this is one of the reasons why less people watch local cricket. Speaking personally, I want to see the best possible professional that a club can afford, (preferably heavily sponsored by local firms) playing alongside the best 10 true amateurs that a club can field. I don't want to pay ...
by nil_desperandum
Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: England v West Indies - 3rd test
Replies: 84
Views: 8401

Re: England v West Indies - 3rd test

It's going to be some achievement retaining The Ashes if we continue to play with 3 batters short. If the Aussies could give us a 40 runs start in each innings in exchange for us using only 8 batters it would be a good deal for us.
by nil_desperandum
Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:50 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Labour to ban betting sponsors.
Replies: 51
Views: 5389

Re: Labour to ban betting sponsors.

Well that all seems highly patronising to me. You didn't directly accuse anyone of being stupid but if you say that people are "easily led" and "vulnerable" is implies a lack of certain cognitive abilities. It's beyond dispute that some people lack certain cognitive abilities. It's not patronising ...
by nil_desperandum
Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:15 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Labour to ban betting sponsors.
Replies: 51
Views: 5389

Re: Labour to ban betting sponsors.

Not the only one but it is a factor. If you make personal responsibility anything but the main factor I think you're doing people a disservice to their ability to decide their own fate and worsening the problem. You might think that poor people are "easily misled", "desperate" or even stupid but I ...
by nil_desperandum
Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:16 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Rees-Mogg
Replies: 231
Views: 19583

Re: Rees-Mogg

quoonbeatz wrote:he's a backward, posh bigot who is well out of touch with reality.
And potentially the leader of the rabidly pro-Brexit wing of the Tory Party when it finally - inevitably in my view - splits over the issue.
by nil_desperandum
Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:54 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Labour to ban betting sponsors.
Replies: 51
Views: 5389

Re: Labour to ban betting sponsors.

I'm not keen on betting advertising but I'm also wary of heavy moralising too. This is an issue of personal responsibility as much as anything moral or otherwise. You can dismount the high horse. That's a valid argument, but making things a matter of "personal responsibility" is only fine when peop...
by nil_desperandum
Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Folk who put put milk in a brew before taking the tea bag out
Replies: 87
Views: 9405

Re: Folk who put put milk in a brew before taking the tea bag out

TheFamilyCat wrote:Why? Just why?
Adding milk to tea?
Why? Just why?
Totally ruins the flavour of a good Earl Grey or Darjeeling
by nil_desperandum
Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley V crystal palace predictions . 5-0 I think for us.
Replies: 51
Views: 6087

Re: Burnley V crystal palace predictions . 5-0 I think for us.

De Boer will still be in charge (IMO). So it depends - to an extent - whether the players want him to stay or not. If they want rid, then we could see a fairly insipid performance, (like Leicester last season before Ranieri was eventually fired), but on the other hand they might rally to him, and pu...
by nil_desperandum
Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:25 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Housing Market Post Brexit
Replies: 75
Views: 7641

Re: Housing Market Post Brexit

50...'house price inflation is not good, it deprives people of disposable income...' Not sure I agree with that. If your own house cost you say £100,000 and it has now been valued at say £220,000, that is house price inflation for YOU. As far as property is concerned you are now £120,000 'wealthier...
by nil_desperandum
Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:07 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!
Replies: 185
Views: 15733

Re: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

How do this fit with Barnier saying we need to be punished and taught a lesson ? I'm not sure that he's ever said we need to be punished, in fact the last article I read he was saying the opposite. "“It’s not a ransom. It’s not an exit bill. It’s not a punishment. It’s not a revenge,” he said. He d...
by nil_desperandum
Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:22 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!
Replies: 185
Views: 15733

Re: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

Ringo, Ringo Ringo! Just to clarify. He was referring to the exchange rate. Brexit didn't push a 20 million Euro fee to 27 million. The fee was still 20 million. The point that the report highlighted was that when clubs paid that fee it cost them more due to the weak pound. (That's not newsworthy) S...
by nil_desperandum
Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:11 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!
Replies: 185
Views: 15733

Re: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

David Davis has just dismissed this out of hand. Surprise, surprise. What did you expect him to say? He's hardly going to make a major announcement / proposal of that magnitude in the context of an informal interview. Are you one of those people who think Sean Dyche should just come out with direct...
by nil_desperandum
Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!
Replies: 185
Views: 15733

Re: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

Anyone who voted Brexit is a misguided and deceived person. Just over half the population are, apparently. Damn shame for us all. No, you mean just over half of those who voted on a specific day. Millions weren't allowed to vote, (some of whom are most adversely affected by this), and roughly a thi...
by nil_desperandum
Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:29 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!
Replies: 185
Views: 15733

Re: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

So our government and their legal advisers are wrong then, because they have admitted that we do. It's just the amount that is in dispute - understandably so. It was widely reported a month ago that we had offered 36 billion as our exit fee. So that's our opening offer I presume. So as I predicted ...
by nil_desperandum
Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:16 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!
Replies: 185
Views: 15733

Re: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

Just catching up on these comments. I think these comments were reported more widely than many think. Not just in Ireland. As said yesterday a very obvious, crass and futile attempt at winning back working class voters for Remain. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/premier-league-clubs-forced-pa...
by nil_desperandum
Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!
Replies: 185
Views: 15733

Re: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

" (Classic thread, btw - Ringo is the gift that keeps on giving.) A classic indeed! What is quite remarkable is that an OP that had no substance at all, based on deliberate or inadvertent misrepresentation of an Irish newspaper, has now reached approaching 120 posts! Fair play to Ringo for keeping ...
by nil_desperandum
Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:52 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!
Replies: 185
Views: 15733

Re: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

It's not like that at all, we have abided by the terms, given our 2 year notice and are still paying until we leave, after that we aren't obliged to pay anything. So our government and their legal advisers are wrong then, because they have admitted that we do. It's just the amount that is in disput...
by nil_desperandum
Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:11 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!
Replies: 185
Views: 15733

Re: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

. Btw, for me, the sooner it happens the better, whatever the cost. That's a pretty wild and irresponsible statement. How about you give us 3 tangible benefits that you think we will gain from walking out of the EU with no deal, and then quantify them against "whatever the cost"? Does this include ...
by nil_desperandum
Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:02 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!
Replies: 185
Views: 15733

Re: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

Some of the remoaners on here would be happy for us to pay 100 billion euros and have zero access to the single market just so they can say I told you so. . I bet there isn't a single one. It's those who voted leave that have put us on this course. It was always obvious, and has even been acknowled...
by nil_desperandum
Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:43 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!
Replies: 185
Views: 15733

Re: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

Now given that I think he's wrong, why and where did I say OUR record fee had gone up cos of brexit. I DIDN'T. . Well if you didn't say it, who did? You can dissect the Farron article in as much depth as you want, but he doesn't even imply such a thing. It is quite clear that he is referring to Eng...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: St Nazaire Raid
Replies: 23
Views: 4007

Re: St Nazaire Raid

A superb and moving documentary, clearly demonstrating the daring of the raid, and the outstanding bravery of the men. A rare victory for the British at that stage of the war. What it highlights, once again is how amateurish and ill-equipped we were compared to the Germans, until we consolidated our...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!
Replies: 185
Views: 15733

Re: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

Look let's not fall out about it Paul. If you think an article headed, "Football transfer fees and higher ticket prices blamed on Brexit by Tim Farron". Is NOT Tim Farron claiming that Football transfer fees and higher ticket prices are to be blamed on Brexit. . No he isn't. The headline is claimin...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!
Replies: 185
Views: 15733

Re: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

There you go again; when we get out the £ might well soar against the Euro, no one knows. You certainly don't. However, it certainly will soar when the Euro implodes and all the major players have to try and start up their original currencies. I hope you are ready for a barrage of 'I told you sos' ...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:38 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!
Replies: 185
Views: 15733

Re: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

Whether it's down to Brexit (it isn't) or not, who gives a sh!t? We buy who we can afford and get on with it. The bottom line is that we are leaving the EU, thank Christ, so suck it up and move on. Till what point? Till the pound is worth about 50 cents? Euro and Eurozone continuing to strengthen, ...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!
Replies: 185
Views: 15733

Re: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

No. Have you? Cos if you think Barcelona offering 120 million to Liverpool for Couthino. Liverpool being ready to part with 60 million for van dyke. PSG spending 200 million on Neymar from Barcelona. Man United spending 90 million on Pogba. Is ANYTHING to do with brexit you must be p*******. But no...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:27 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!
Replies: 185
Views: 15733

Re: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

No I didn't read the article, but have read it now. So basically the point of it is due to the fall in the value of Sterling in other words a higher exchange rate. Very illuminating. So for only reading the op headlines I prostrate myself at your feet in grovelling apology, whilst Tim Farren can ju...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:06 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!
Replies: 185
Views: 15733

Re: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

So let me get this straight. Neymar goes from Barcelona, a city in Spain, to Paris St.Germain, who play in a city in France for a transfer value of £198 million and this is due to Brexit? :lol: :lol: Did anyone say that? Certainly Farron didn't in the linked article. He actually gave estimated figu...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!
Replies: 185
Views: 15733

Re: Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

It doesn't take much working out really. Buy within the UK and £1 is still £1, but as "piston" correctly points out, a player valued by his club at 20 million Euros costs us a hell of a lot more in fees etc., than he did 18 months ago, and probably puts him beyond our reach. It's a fact that there a...
by nil_desperandum
Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:40 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Brighton meltdown
Replies: 45
Views: 7723

Re: Brighton meltdown

You can't replace Boyd with like for like for all sorts of reasons, and because of the way in which Dyche employed him, but it could be argued that any out of Ward, Taylor and Arfield, are more than adequate in his "defensive" role, and that Brady, Gudmundson and Walters more than adequate replaceme...
by nil_desperandum
Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:05 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Sky reports that's probably it!
Replies: 176
Views: 23234

Re: Sky reports that's probably it!

I share concerns about the need for a CH to challenge / cover Tarkowski and Mee, but other than that I think it's been an excellent window. What some people fail to include in their assessment of the window is that we managed to retain Heaton, who is key, and that it would appear that we have a "new...
by nil_desperandum
Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:41 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley cinema
Replies: 85
Views: 10904

Re: Burnley cinema

As mentioned above it was a magnificent looking building what a shame it had to be pulled down. Ironically It's ugly neighbour - the Keirby Hotel is still standing. And perhaps equally ironically, the Keirby was regarded as one of the most upmarket and trendy hotels in the region at that time. When...