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Lancasterclaret wrote:So Lab either vote for Mays deal or its a "No Deal"

Ace.

I suspect Labour support may be dependent on putting to a referendum and therefore a longer extension. But now May is dependant on the opposition digging her out of the pit she's created and it leaves them in an impossible position.

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Donald Tusk statement confirms that the extension will only be granted if the WA is voted through next week. As I said earlier this pretty much guarantees that it won't as the ERG will see no deal as back on the table.

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Looks like there's something afoot. All opposition leaders called to a Downing Street meeting with the PM at 6pm and rumours of a statement by the PM later this evening.

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summitclaret wrote:Won't get through your number 2.

Ewwwww! (sorry, childish

)

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AndyClaret wrote:Not if there's a general election.

Depends whether the ex-Tory MPs decide to stand as independants in their constituencies.

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Oooh, emergency Brexit debate about to happen.

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Bordeauxclaret wrote:What are you going to spend all your points on?

A 'Bercow for PM' mug.

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RingoMcCartney wrote:What will bring you out of the woodwork to answer a simple question?

Has John Bercows role been pivotal

Yes

Or

No?

Can anyone else hear an annoying whining sound?

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124,000 as at March 2018. I think the Tories would win the election if they appoint anyone who appears to be competent. May appeared to be totally unconfident and had no positive message at all and still defeated Corbyn, though not decisively; a confident, competent leader would IMO win. The story ...

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France are saying they will only allow the short extension if the WA is signed-off.....which pretty much guarantees it won't be signed-off.

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Exactly. If Theresa May resigned today and a general election was called for as soon as possible (6 weeks?), there wouldn't be time for a membership election, so we'd be stuck with whoever the MPs voted for. I'm not sure the Tory party process will allow for that. It may be that they can fast track...

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And then the question is whether it is a general election under a Tory leader appointed by MPs, or whether there is time for the membership to have a leadership vote. If the Tories could appoint a competent leader in tune with the membership who is offering a solution, when up against Labour under ...

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MP just been on the radio saying that they could bring down the government if it goes for a "No Deal". The ERG won't vote for Mays deal, not with "No Deal" looking so close, so we are heading for a GE. And a GE under first past the post could well solve absolutely nothing. It might at least give us...

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Like I keep saying the EU does whatever France and Germany say. This may not be a bad thing though. Even labour might vote for May's deal if we can't get an extension. If not the EU will be to blame for no deal. Or as is more likely we are forced to revoke A50 (and immediately evoke again) the EU w...

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RingoMcCartney wrote:You haven't taught anyone a lesson.

Show me a single racist or homophobic post I've ever made.

Someone's already answered that one for him Wrongo, with a link.

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Tall Paul wrote:Here you go Ringo

Now that's how you do a link Wrongo.

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Lancaster wracking up the Ringo Wrongo Bingo points while my back is turned! Sneaky!

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Not sure who gets that last point from Wrongo.

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The demographics argument for a second referendum has always been a bit of a red herring for me. The referendum was in 2016 so it's those of voting age in 2016 who's views count. However, I do support a second referendum from the point of view of us knowing what Leave might actually mean, and it wou...

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Other UTC readers must obviously make their own decision. I'm waiting till next week, but what we will run short off is the short life items, which you can't really stock up on. This is the time that UHT has been waiting for! And that's the thing, the fact that we don't have a clue what happens on ...

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Pot kettle black. My entrenched views are that all protests cause disruption, no more no less. You’ve finally come round to the same conclusion, albeit now changing tack to ‘impact’ (in order to retain some sort of victory), so no argument required. Sometimes, it is OK to just say ‘you’re right’, y...

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I’d level the same at you, Martin, but you just can’t can see even if you took them off can you? You’ve seen a small bunch of protestors hold up a ambulance for less than a minute (as they are dispersing at the end of the video) and you refuse to accept that half a million protestors for Remain, or...

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I don’t want to accept that you have one rule for one cause and one for another. I accept that any form of disruption causes delay. The rest is your agenda. Then again, I voted leave in 2016 so you need to paint me as a polar opposite view to yours and use condescension to attempt to hammer your po...

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Ha ha ha... Oh, you’re being serious? You guys are the ones mock raging about Leave voters blocking an ambulance (for moments) but refusing to accept that your own protests may have caused disruption. You tell me, should protests be allowed as long as they are for causes you like? It's the logical ...

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So no disruption whatsoever? FACT? Contingency plans of ‘we need to go to the other hospital, an extra 5 miles / 10 minutes away’ don’t make it any more acceptable to me. Then again, I’m not the type to laud facts over folk dying so I can have another referendum. Behave. If you cant honestly unders...

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GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:We need new politicians or new main parties because neither are fit for purpose as it stands.

You won't get any disagreement there. I've been voting on a lesser of two evils basis for years now.

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EU are suggesting that they may not take a decision on the extension this week which means we'll be going into the last week before the 29th March without a clue what we're doing. We really do need a new government!

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You don't know what you are talking about. Find me an example of two big industrial nations trade deals being signed in a "relatively short time" frame. For comparison Canada- EU - seven years Japan-EU - bit longer TTIP - still going on I get the desire and I definitely get that we need it desperat...

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GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: No one knows how long the sharp shock will be, but again it's all going to boil down to the competency of our politicians to get deals done quickly with the minimal amount of fuss.

So I think we can assume from that it's more likely to be longer than shorter!

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She’s certainly looking to appease the Brexiteers with a request for a short extension. And it certainly looks like she’s determined that the only options are her twice defeated WA and driving the U.K. bus over the no deal cliff. The only other possible interpretation is that she’s hoping the EU say...

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So it looks like May is only asking for a short Article 50 extension (despite threatening that if the WA wasn’t agreed before the EU summit she’d have to ask for a long extension). I’m not sure what her plan is here (assuming she even has one of course) but it seems a dangerous one. She can’t be pla...

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Damo wrote:If it's a fact then I'm fairly sure it should be easy to provide some hard evidence

It is.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.inde ... html%3famp

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Your lot accept major disruption then show mock rage over a minor roadblock which breaks up on camera, albeit slowly, and is reported as ‘moving on’. I’ve seen that bridge have longer traffic jams. You guys are laughable. Go back to wishing your elders in to the grave so you can get your precious s...

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aggi wrote:I got an emoji, isn't that a bonus point?

I think he edited that in, but yes, bonus point!

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That a total of 4 points for me in the last two posts.

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Point to aggi.

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Dazzler wrote:WTF!!!

In view of the time slot,Is this film typical of what supposedly mature folk enjoy watching nowadays?

Wow! Loosen up a bit.

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Martin would it really pain you that much to admit that Ringo was right about Bercow? It would be a lot more straightforward (and more honest frankly) than endlessly arguing over the precise form of words that you used to disagree with him way back when. As for the bully boy Bercow himself, surely ...

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None of the noises coming from the EU suggests they won’t grant an extension of some sort. I think the bigger question is will whatever the EU offer be acceptable to parliament.

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Let's summarise - 1 First you say I've no evidence 2 Then I provide it. 3 Then you claim I'm making it up! 4 Then you reckon you can't see the quotes I've linked! 5 Then you finally admit the quotes are there!!!!! What a , full house providing, palaver you've had to put yourself through this mornin...

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I think the deduction will be this season unless (unlikely) they get relegated naturally without the deduction- then it applies next season. I recall this is what happened to Southampton at the end of that season where we got a draw at St Marys late in a Championship season and sent them down "natu...

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RingoMcCartney wrote:Then you admit the quotes are there!!!!!

I'm starting a new bingo card here Marty.

Where's me dabber!?

And you can’t read.

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RingoMcCartney wrote:Then you reckon you can't see the quotes I've linked!

You don’t understand what a link is either then.

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RingoMcCartney wrote:First you say I've no evidence

Post #4205 is the one I asked for evidence for. You haven’t got it.

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So despite your quotes being kosher and there for all to see on the other thread your reduced to trying to claim I'm making it up. :lol: I've just won the Gala Bingo National Link £20,000 jackpot! :lol: Like I say Marty , like I correctly predicted with Bercow, you've been pivotal. ;) Well all the ...

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RingoMcCartney wrote:Here's the link!-

If Carlsberg did saying otherwise!.......

So you don’t have a link then. Thought not.

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RingoMcCartney wrote:I’m pretty much wrong about everything

Here’s you saying you’re wrong about everything. We can all play that game Wrongo, you’ve taken your swivel eyed lunacy to new levels today!

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This is evidence of you claiming his role wasn't "pivotal" Bang to rights Marty! When it comes to me proving you wrong yet again . Well I'm afraid there's only Ringo that can shout "House!" :lol: It is, and I stand by that statement in the context of the conversation it was part of. I think I’m due...

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This is you saying he can't pick and choose. Nope, that’s you lying again. If you can link the thread where I said it then fine, I’ll apologise for calling you a liar. Just to stop you continually repeating yourself here’s what I said. The context was you claiming that Bercow could ‘force a second ...

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Just throwing this in here from Nick Boles MP "Not sure what all the fuss is about. If the PM thinks she has a majority for a third meaningful vote, she will also have a majority for a motion to set aside the Speaker’s ruling on the Erskine May convention. If she doesn’t, no point making the attemp...

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