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- Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:36 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 803
- Views: 69124
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Yeah they certainly spent a lot. The initial video which they put out was orchestrated by Saatchi and Saatchi and wasn't cheap (for what was a simple interview video). This was filmed a few weeks before the takeover was completed so there was clearly a bit of money available at that point. it makes...
- Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:25 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 803
- Views: 69124
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Thanks CP! It's definitely our intention to do a few more 'deep dive' type episodes. We're working on getting some experts on different issues/subjects. I've not revisited his first presser for a while so definitely something to do. Interesting to note that ALK and Pace were being advised by Saatch...
- Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:16 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10003
- Views: 1029895
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
so I feel like I have been posting about this for around 4 years now, but it is edging ever closer from The Guardian Clubs agree to cap spending on players as part of Premier League PSR reform New rules could be tried out in shadow form next season Full reform of profitability and sustainability ru...
- Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:45 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10003
- Views: 1029895
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Sadly, this is not a surprise Three years on, Football Index users are still trying to get their money back Some customers had five- or six-figure sums trapped when it collapsed in 2021 and say the site was not regulated properly https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2024/mar/25/three-years-on-...
- Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:30 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The Lost Art of Not Knowing Things
- Replies: 22
- Views: 2119
Re: The Lost Art of Not Knowing Things
More importantly, being aware of that ignorance, and as such not proffering opinions about subjects you do not have a grasp on. I ask potentially stupid questions professionally, at least as part of my job, and it doesn't half take some getting used to to get past the fear of looking like an idiot....
- Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:27 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 803
- Views: 69124
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Another good one I will say, on reflection, that I concur with Woody and claretpete on here that there is a danger in people giving what I say to much credence in terms of being absolute truth - particularly when I am not able to produce supporting evidence, though even then others with knowledge an...
- Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:37 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10003
- Views: 1029895
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Paris FC take Fortuna Düsseldorf's free ticket experiment in a new direction from The New York Times A Soccer Team Stopped Charging for Tickets. Should Others Do the Same? When Paris F.C. made its tickets free, it began an experiment into the connection between fans and teams, and posed a question ...
- Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:22 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10003
- Views: 1029895
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The money behind Everton's long time funding partner - Rights and Media Funding - has long been obscured though it was believed to have arrived in this country from offshore by Everton fan Paul Quinn, better known as The Esk, who I also mentioned the name of Michael Tabor, I believe. As I start to g...
- Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:39 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10003
- Views: 1029895
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
so I feel like I have been posting about this for around 4 years now, but it is edging ever closer from The Guardian Clubs agree to cap spending on players as part of Premier League PSR reform New rules could be tried out in shadow form next season Full reform of profitability and sustainability rul...
- Thu Apr 11, 2024 3:47 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 803
- Views: 69124
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
I think a big factor in that mindset that sometimes goes unnoticed is the strength of the US dollar in recent years, especially against the £. US capital has been snapping up UK companies with that discount priced in so that might explain why ALK thought they were getting the club at a decent price...
- Thu Apr 11, 2024 3:46 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 803
- Views: 69124
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
They think they bought Burnley at a cheap price. There has been a strange consensus among American investors in the game that English and European clubs are 'under-valued'. This seems to be because they compare PL club's values to those of the NFL franchises. But of course there are a ton of reason...
- Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:37 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Will it be the same next season
- Replies: 25
- Views: 1601
Re: Will it be the same next season
Assuming we are relegated,and we are top of the Championship walking through teams as we did last season,will it feel the same to you? Last season was full of hope excitement and I was drooling over the style of football on offer.VK could do no wrong.If it's repeated next season however,It just won...
- Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:23 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Pre season tour
- Replies: 57
- Views: 5581
Re: Pre season tour
It's a while ago now - I think it's shocking. That's a title that has always been used as a special recognition. When I first started going it was James Grimshaw who I think had previously been chairman. Then it was Doc Iven given his years with the club as club doctor and director and finally Jimm...
- Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:07 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10003
- Views: 1029895
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
This is still ongoing. Leeds ordered to pay £18m after losing CAS appeal over Augustin deal https://mol.im/a/11390461 via https://dailym.ai/android I had forgotten about this - but it seems that after 4 years it may finally be coming to a conclusion from The Athletic Leeds appeal against £24.5m Jea...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:19 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10003
- Views: 1029895
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Absolutely zero surprise in this news - it is a common refrain from every story we have seen about 777 Partners - this is the group who said they had shown proof of funds to the Premier League last December from Sky News Everton FC bidder 777 seeks extra time amid race for funding 777 Partners has ...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:03 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: TV Appearances 2023/24
- Replies: 60
- Views: 10640
Re: TV Appearances 2023/24
Update after today's TV picks for GW37 Arsenal - 30 Liverpool - 29 Tottenham - 29 Manchester City - 28 Manchester United - 28 Chelsea - 26 Everton - 23 Newcastle - 23 Aston Villa - 21 West Ham - 20 Nottingham Forest - 19 Brentford - 17 Wolves - 16 Brighton - 15 Crystal Palace - 14 Luton - 13 Sheffi...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 5:50 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 803
- Views: 69124
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
I'm not sure we know (Chester might) but the problem is if they are giving away equity they are diluting their shareholding quite dramatically if you believe some of the rhetoric. Albeit I did get an explanation about the class of shares (not Chester), which left me pondering why anyone would inves...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 5:44 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 803
- Views: 69124
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
I've sometimes referred to the ALK model as being like a horse-racing syndicate - people invest for a share in the vehicle which ultimately owns the club. Am I far off the mark with that assumption CP? It is a reasonable analogy - though it is not as innovative as you may think - FSG is a similar m...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 5:00 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 803
- Views: 69124
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Maybe they’re worried about those points too?! Let’s be honest, Pace and his investors will be losing an astronomical amount of cash (to us mere mortals) if this all goes t!ts up. As I have posted elsewhere on this board this week, I am fairly certain that original takeover group are already in pro...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:56 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 803
- Views: 69124
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
There’s only one owner who has actually come out and spoken freely about their recent accounts and that’s Paul barber at Brighton, easy to do when you have made 127m profit. I can’t recall any other direct interviews from any other owners or chairman about their clubs recent accounts. The accounts ...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 3:14 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10003
- Views: 1029895
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Absolutely zero surprise in this news - it is a common refrain from every story we have seen about 777 Partners - this is the group who said they had shown proof of funds to the Premier League last December from Sky News Everton FC bidder 777 seeks extra time amid race for funding 777 Partners has i...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:33 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10003
- Views: 1029895
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Paris FC take Fortuna Düsseldorf's free ticket experiment in a new direction from The New York Times A Soccer Team Stopped Charging for Tickets. Should Others Do the Same? When Paris F.C. made its tickets free, it began an experiment into the connection between fans and teams, and posed a question a...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:02 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12774
- Views: 1260965
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
It does all seem a bit half assed. It smacks of the stuff professionals end up having to sort out after being produced in-house by someone who read the guidance but struggles to translate that to the actual requirements. There's no legal distinction between different types of director. A director i...
- Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:45 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10003
- Views: 1029895
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It seems that the Premier League haven't given up on blocking the Football Governance Bill or that a co-owner of a football club that tried to blitz it's way past rivals by chucking money it could never make itself at it, is still unhappy that the finances in football are not fair when he wants som...
- Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:01 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10003
- Views: 1029895
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Speaking of agents (or intermediaries to give them a more precise title), this case is very interesting and exposes the conflicts of interest when the same agents represent a the club and the player in a deal negotiation - governing bodies have been trying to prevent this but have so far been beaten...
- Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:52 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10003
- Views: 1029895
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
I was wondering why we haven't seen a list of agents fees for the 2022/23 season, so I went looking - Hardly a surprise I hadn't seen them - The FA released the detail on Easter Sunday still here we are just the £4,146.696.00 spent by Burnley in the Championship season, putting us in 3rd place behin...
- Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:19 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: POLL: If we were a Premier League Club - question about playing a game abroad…
- Replies: 21
- Views: 967
Re: POLL: If we were a Premier League Club - question about playing a game abroad…
Currently this is prevented by FIFA statutes, which have been repeatedly challenged by football promoter Relevent through a series of court cases in the US spanning the last 5 years and which are still ongoing. Critically FIFA has been a co-defendant with the MLS in all these cases - now following a...
- Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:15 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10003
- Views: 1029895
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It is a court case (or more strictly a series of court cases that have been running for quite a while now where by Relevent of the summer ICC tournament/friendlies has tried to get legal sanction to stage in season none American League (La Liga was the main option) games on American soil. this week...
- Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:00 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10003
- Views: 1029895
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
This should not come as a surprise - and as we have seen with the initial launch of Super League and the Newcastle takeover by PiF, the UK government has been active in accommodating influential powers and helping them involve themselves in the game - and I do not expect anything less form any party...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:11 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10003
- Views: 1029895
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It seems that the Premier League haven't given up on blocking the Football Governance Bill or that a co-owner of a football club that tried to blitz it's way past rivals by chucking money it could never make itself at it, is still unhappy that the finances in football are not fair when he wants some...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:57 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Out of contract
- Replies: 51
- Views: 3505
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:42 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10003
- Views: 1029895
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
All the focus at the moment is on Everton's 2nd points penalty, but as we know there are some big challenges on the near horizon, Will 777 Partners find that money by next Monday? Here are Philippe Auclair and Paul Brown with a 19th instalment on their investigation into the finance and Liquidity is...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:34 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
- Replies: 72
- Views: 4529
Re: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
Chester Perry references the "public lies about taking the Premier League warnings seriously" and this became abundantly clear when their Operating Loss for the last financial year was published at £89m. Never a chance that they would be within the PSR threshold of £105m. But it gets worse......I'v...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:31 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
- Replies: 72
- Views: 4529
Re: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
Absolutely makes a mockery of the whole system. They cheated ( there is no other word did it) the punishment should have been relegation, the same applies to Forest. By doing so it sends a strong and clear message. These points deductions are arbitrary and effectively in this case means you can che...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:27 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
- Replies: 72
- Views: 4529
Re: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
My head could explode at them now bringing the invasion of Ukraine in as a reason for a deduction. Plus if you are stone cold guilty why would you not cooperate? Totally corrupt w*nkers but we’ve known that for many years. IMG_4033.jpeg wasn't this part of the appeal the first time - if it was gran...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:25 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
- Replies: 72
- Views: 4529
Re: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
It seems that the speeded up process meant that an additional item of dispute that Everton will not admit they have got wrong - was not part of the judgement and will be heard separately after the legal teams make the appropriate preparations - likely to be next season no - it echoes Everton's argum...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 4:50 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
- Replies: 72
- Views: 4529
Re: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
You do get the impression that by giving a soft penalty to Everton it means that Man City won't get punished unduly and they'll be able to easily absorb a few points without too many issues. it depends on how you see things - Everton believed they would get a zero points penalty for this hearing an...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:54 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
- Replies: 72
- Views: 4529
Re: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
Are Forest done and dusted with their own cheating ? or is there more to come ? They have the appeal and it will be interesting to see how their finances are this season It is also possible that Everton may have a third set of charges next season if the takeover does not go through - though there a...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:30 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Is Man Utd under Ratcliffe / Brailsford in danger of being the new Woodward at Saints?
- Replies: 6
- Views: 470
Re: Is Man Utd under Ratcliffe / Brailsford in danger of being the new Woodward at Saints?
that could be an issue, but they have recruited at higher levels than Ashworth too, so far it appears a sound plan, we will have to wait to see how it is executedŽižkovClaret wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:03 pmI think if they let Ashworth lead, it could work out ok, but i'm unsure if they wont give in to their urge to interfere
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:27 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 'The Project'...
- Replies: 58
- Views: 2576
Re: 'The Project'...
No idea, hate the fact ALK seemingly have no money of their own, everything is just borrowed using the club as leverage. Absolutely no idea how we sustain ourselves in the Championship for 2+ years. I believe they have money, not billionaire money but a good deal of it. I also believe they have alr...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:19 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
- Replies: 72
- Views: 4529
Re: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
If I were the Premier League I would be using the press conference given last week by Sean Dyche as a example of the hubris with which Everton were treating the Premier League's wanings about their overspending from The Guardian ‘Not on my watch’: Sean Dyche hits out at costly Everton mismanagement ...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:13 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
- Replies: 72
- Views: 4529
Re: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
Fingers in the air, how many points can we deduct from Everton to make sure they stay up? Absolute joke that there is no clear and obvious amount of points to be deducted for breaching PSR rules. The lunatics are running the asylum. and yet it was straight forward for me to predict the commissions ...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:58 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Is Man Utd under Ratcliffe / Brailsford in danger of being the new Woodward at Saints?
- Replies: 6
- Views: 470
Re: Is Man Utd under Ratcliffe / Brailsford in danger of being the new Woodward at Saints?
far to early to tell - but the management team recruitment appears to be targeting the type and quality of people they need
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:55 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
- Replies: 72
- Views: 4529
Re: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
This was my take on how the hearing for Everton's second PSR charge would go from March 21 2024 on the MMT - at that point Everton had not published their accounts Ok, lets talk Everton Next week is the believed to be the date set for the Independent Commission to hear the second set of PSR charges ...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:36 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 'The Project'...
- Replies: 58
- Views: 2576
Re: 'The Project'...
Thought we bought him for around £11m to £12m and sold him for just under £21m. That’s the kind of numbers widely reported at the time. Paid £12m, reported £20.5m sale, we may have made conditional transfer payments based on appearances and a first International cap - then there are the sell on fee...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:14 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 803
- Views: 69124
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
everything fine for me today Simon
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:12 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 'The Project'...
- Replies: 58
- Views: 2576
Re: 'The Project'...
I get your concern CP and share it too. But when you say “for operational and trading purposes” a more simplistic way of saying this is that they were using it to fund transfer spend…..let’s say it as it is. The fundamental issue is that the money we have spent on players has not worked out. If it ...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:01 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 'The Project'...
- Replies: 58
- Views: 2576
Re: 'The Project'...
It’s easy to deride things when they aren’t going well, but whether what we’re doing is a “project” or just an approach, it appeals to me and I’ve been more engaged over the last 2 years than I have been for a long time. I like the idea of bringing in young, technically gifted footballers. Of cours...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:59 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 'The Project'...
- Replies: 58
- Views: 2576
Re: 'The Project'...
For those who have listened to the Offensive we know how the project ends https://stak.london/shows/the-offensive/ More realistically, we are one of the best placed teams to become a yo-yo club. Only until FIFA/UEFA/The Sneeky, Greedy Six/ECA get their wish to reduce the league to 18 (ideally 16 - ...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:44 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 'The Project'...
- Replies: 58
- Views: 2576
Re: 'The Project'...
Hi CP, don't you think "chase for money" is what all clubs who plan to back their manager with funds for transfers do? Do you have sight of the facility agreement from last summer? Are the terms really more onerous that previous MSD loan? £20m at 31st July only suggests some of the facility hadn't ...