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Its 6 months old and from the US but with the current talk of billionaires, foodbanks and wealth distribution I think this is a great video to highlight the sad chasm between the different parts of society and one sides distinct lack of care about those at the bottom of ladder Im pretty sure theres...

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Whilst I agree with Labour’s policies regarding Nationalisation of the Railways I cannot support at the current time nationalisation of the Utility’s and Royal Mail. The concern is over debt repayments at present the £68bn of debt repayments on the £1.8bn (approx 86% of GDP) is roughly 3.5% of nati...

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The Republicans have forgiven him for the curd retreat... that for me was the best chance of him getting impeached. Another term might see him carried out in a box though.... national hero. Now that would be funny on whatever level you view it. Impeachment will happen. It's the House that decides t...

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Yes, but it failed. And from memory it wasn’t what he did or didn’t do so much as “not have sexual relations”under oath while President. Oh, he definitely committed perjury (by lying about the blowjob) and that's definitely what they impeached him for, because that's all they got our of the Whitewa...

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Fair enough not seen much news, but little comment on things like news night or nothing jumped out at me on News at ten which is about as much as I can commit to at the mo. Just think I’d be more aware if there was a Nixon /Frost moment. They don’t impeach Presidents lightly. Well, there was that o...

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But the stairway (there was only one) wasn’t always full of smoke and the fumes/smoke went upward not down. Would you stay in a burning building just because the fire brigade had a generic policy saying you should or would you take responsibility for your own behaviour? How did they know it was a "...

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Their position as victims is sacrosanct and there can be absolutely no criticism of any of their actions. Well, they are victims. Literally. It's not "sacrosanct" it's the ******* truth. And all they did wrong, apparently, is follow the instructions of trained ******* professionals. Apparently this...

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Just for once IT I could not agree less. I think there are places over in Yorkshire will be turning blue, that would have made fathers weep. While May hid in the last campaign, throughout; the Tories will be all guns blazing this time. Think it might comes down to who makes the biggest gaffs, but I...

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Same old story labour and LD lies. The tory party wants a deal on the WA and a free trade deal from the second stage. Obviously we won't get the best deal we could have if yet again the negotiations have to be done without the option to walk away. But it was the Tories who pulled the WA from parlia...

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It tickles me that, although I cannot stand Trump, people cannot accept what is before their eyes. If the Impeachment was going well for the democrats, it would be all over the news. That does not mean he is not guilty, but if it fails the Democrats will be crucified for this... and so far it is no...

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/05/florida-county-refuses-pay-new-york-times-libraries-fake-news :lol: :lol: It is funny, but i think i find it funny for a different reason than you. I find it funny because the people who call NYT "fake news" and use that to justify not providing it to...

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I suspect that some labour leave voters that could never vote tory may just not vote or vote for the BP. Either way that helps the tories. Labour's position on brexit is a joke. If they can form a Government and get a new deal based on a CU/single market then the whole thing will be a farce, partly...

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Quickenthetempo wrote:For anyone wondering if the speakers seat will be contested?

It will.

By the Green Party.

That's not unusual. Bercow's seat was contested by the Greens and UKIP in the last two elections, and by a bunch of people in 2010. None of whom were from the Lib Dems or Labour.

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Ambassador Sondland has flipped on Trump and admitted, in sworn testimony, that he told Ukraine that military aid was tied to their commitment to the investigations that Trump wanted. What say you, FSBurnley? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/us/politics/impeachment-trump.html?smid=nytcore-ios-shar...

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I half expect another Tory to come out and defend Bridgen with "well obviously they lacked intelligence otherwise they wouldn't have been poor".

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Just 1 day from the Tories: ▪️Release doctored video ▪️Sit on report about Russian interference ▪️Abandon promise to give MPs vote on transition extension ▪️Report reveals they built 0 houses out of 200K ▪️Rees-Mogg blames Grenfell victims ▪️Bridgen says they lacked intelligence All in all, a prett...

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Utter nonsense , the left and far left are just as guilty at selective editing as any “mainstream “right ( as for the “ far right? The Nazi party? BNP ? Does anyone truly listen to them ) People mistakenly call the mainstream media “ right wing” which is idiocy . The BBC /ITV and even SKY these day...

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AndrewJB wrote:Nobody seems to know what was wrong with the photos.

They were edited to crop out the war veteran he was walking and having a conversation with. He wasn't dancing.

But i'm sure Andy thought the edits were "clever" and was delighted by them

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Lancasterclaret wrote:Not going to lie here, defending Chavez and Maduro is a great pre-election look.

Who's doing that?

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Do Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras have anything like the amount of natural resources that Venezuela has? What's your point exactly? What has natural resources got to do with this after you basically denied oil as being the cause of the corruption that caused the failure of the Venezuelan gover...

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Your trying to tell me Labour are not dishonest. Your not ever going to convince me of that nowadays. By all means, please link the video that Labour dishonestly edited and tweeted out. Dishonest editing is a staple of the right-wing and far right-wing propaganda stream. Remember this scandal of Co...

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Lowbankclaret wrote:Watched the first bit, he got toasted.

Wanna see a Tory get toasted over the claim of adding 20,000 police after they removed 21,000? The difference being no one would need to dishonestly edit the Tory getting toasted.

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Security officials say that the report on Russian interference can be published immediately. Clearly Boris thinks doing so would hurt his election chances. Why is that? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/russia-conservative-party-brexit-intelligence-uk-report-national-security-money-a918...

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It's not a lie, it's my opinion, he had a mare, he wouldn't answer the question,their Brexit policy is nonsensical. It would make more sense if they said they would renegotiate, then put their new deal (and campaign in favour of it) in a second referendum. No, it's literally a lie. The Conservative...

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Lancasterclaret wrote:He's not bothered if its a lie or not.

Surely to god you know with people like Andy by now (and he's not alone on here) it doesn't matter if its true or not, as long as they get what they want.

I do. I just want everyone reading our posts to know it too.

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I'm not though Owen Jones, Jeremy Corbyn and Ken Livingstone have all praised the socialist government in Venezuela (amongst others) Its pretty hard to argue with that (even though in all cases its almost certainly praising Venezuela because the US is attacking it) Oh ffs, Lancaster. The logical fa...

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AndyClaret wrote:people who wouldn't otherwise have seen it, now see Starmer having a mare.

But he didn't have a mare, though. You know that, right? You understand that that's the lie, right?

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No offence IT, but I don't have to debate anything on this. Whether we like it or not, the Venezuelan Maduro/Chavez situation is used by conservatives to beat socialists around the head with. it doesn't help that socialists in the UK have praised the socialist government in Venezuela either does it...

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claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Probably skip financial advice from your good self, cheers though

It was a joke, you know, like Brexit.

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aggi wrote:I entirely missed Rees-Mogg suggesting that those who died lacked common sense until he was forced to apologise for it.

There's so much about this Tory party that is sc*m it's sometimes hard to keep up.

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AndyClaret wrote:And it's gone even more viral since, clever if you ask me.

But dishonest. When did dishonestly become OK with you?

And the reason it's gone viral is because of people pointing out how dishonest it is. Believe it or not, Andy, the adage "all publicity is good publicity" isn't true.

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claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Be honest after a US-UK trade deal you are never going to eat anything again are you

Make sure to buy stocks in Proctor & Gamble, because pepto-bismol is going to become really valuable.

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Now conservatives are deceptively editing interviews that Labour MPs take

Why are they so deceitful all the ******* time?

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Now, now IT I explained in my original post what the problem with reality Marxism rather than ideological Marxism is. And whether you like it or not, Maduro and Chavez have done enormous damage to people opinions of socialism (including me, and you'd hardly call me someone who walks around reading ...

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FCBurnley wrote:Sounds like he has the perfect qualifications for such an important role. His 2nd wife was his Secretary until he got divorced and he supports Bolton Wanderers !!

Well, at least it's not as bad as his wife having a remain sticker on her car. Imagine if that happened!

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Fair enough IT, but the clusterfuck that Maduro and Chavez have made of Venezuela is gold dust for anyone opposed to any type of socialism. Thats the reality. Anyone with a deliberately dumb interpretation of what socialism is. They were corrupt dictators using Venezuela's resources to enrich and e...

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FCBurnley wrote:Usual lies and abuse. Where did Ukraine leader say he’s ready to receive military aid ? Or did you make that up as well

FSB: Where tho?

Right here:

FSB: BUT WHERE THO!!!!!!!!!!

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**** me, even I know that the bloke in charge in Venezuela is a Marxist* *real Marxist in the real world, rather than the ideal set out in Das Kapital** **sadly, no one has yet managed to create the perfect Marxist state, and that is because it is impossible. I would like Damo to express his own op...

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Damo wrote:Maybe it's because we have seen what Marxism did to the people of Venezuela

What about Venezuela makes you think that it is run by a Marxist government? What do you think Marxism is?

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FCB No proof so far of him asking for any favor in return for military aid. ( Quote in BOLD on post 260 ) IT `FCBurnley : SHOW ME PROOF TRUMP ASKED FOR A FAVOUR ( Quote in BOLD post 267 ) Read post 265 by FCB first 2 lines MISSING IN ACTION. The words `In return for military aid~ Will anybody findi...

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Rumours are that this is up in CCHQ [*img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIhkoMTXkAEud-q?format=jpg&name=small[/img] Ah, it seems it is a repurposing of this one: [*img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA0-MA3WsAAN3Le.jpg[/img] I think I'd have opted for quietly removing it being the less embarrassing opti...

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martin_p wrote:It’s not a fact though is it.

There's not been a left wing Labour government for how long now? 40 years or something.

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All this rubbish on here about trust from our resident Marxists. Labour are no better than the rest, if anything worse. Labours 2017 election manesfesto was a fairy tale writte by the same nutter who as wrote the 2019 one The only thing Labour ever achieved when they take office is wreck the econom...

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Factual Frank has done right off the alt-right deepend recently. Full of hatred nowadays.

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Chobulous wrote:I thought the whole point was that the speaker is supposed to be impartial, so what exactly is the point you are trying to make?

Sure, you and I know that, but the people i'm laughing at don't want an impartial speaker. They want a speaker who will skew their way.

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Anyone who can't run a marathon in less than 2 hours is "less abled" than Eliud Kipchoge. That's the problem with trying to define a word that means someone is unable to do something without actually saying they are unable to do something. It's trying to square a circle. Faffing about with differen...

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Republicans: "It's illegitimate unless you hold a vote." Democrats: *holds a vote* Republicans: IT'S ILLEGITIMATE BECAUSE YOU HELD THE VOTE TOO LATE Everyone: :roll: ------------------- Republicans: "Release the transcripts" Democrats: "Releases transcripts* Republicans: *fascistic screeching* Every...

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claretburns wrote:Some 18 year olds weren't alive when 9/11 happened, this I heard at work last week made me feel old.

Some 18 year olds when 9/11 happened aren't alive today.

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Yet.

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jrgbfc wrote:I still think of the 90s as not that long ago! Scary to think it's over 20 years.

It's not.

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