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by elwaclaret
Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: According to Prime
Replies: 45
Views: 6252

Re: According to Prime

The first time this happened was in the first couple of seasons in the league… it is a mistake that has been regularly repeated for well over 100 years. Many football history books say Burnley was one of the early Methodist Association Football Clubs… that was Barnsley. Burnley was the brainchild of...
by elwaclaret
Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:33 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out
Replies: 76
Views: 3441

Re: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out

So, basically, it's what you know is correct and everyone else isn't? I just don't get you Tony. You are such a knowledgeable guy that writes great reports with brilliant insight, but if you think you're right, then you are. To be fair I knew Tony quite well in those days, and until the former mess...
by elwaclaret
Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:24 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out
Replies: 76
Views: 3441

Re: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out

Nori1958 wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:25 am
Orange jump suit?
It was perhaps an ill advised jokey reaction, but it is not uncommon for CEO’s of US bankruptcy’s to be dragged through the courts, pretty certain that happened to Ray from press reports at the time. Nothing nasty, I made no judgement on him or his business activities.
by elwaclaret
Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:10 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out
Replies: 76
Views: 3441

Re: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out

Disingenuous in the extreme. To what were you referring when you posted that 'he may have ended up in a natty orange jump suit' following a post where you commented that he may have been prosecuted? As I said, I have no knowledge of whether Ray did fall foul of the law in the USA, but if you haven'...
by elwaclaret
Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:04 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out
Replies: 76
Views: 3441

Re: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out

randomclaret2 wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:53 am
The days of 2,000 gates were 1986/7...these events were 12 or so years later
No the club was still dealing with the legacy of those days, and a lot of anti-board sentiments arched back over many years.
by elwaclaret
Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:17 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out
Replies: 76
Views: 3441

Re: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out

Teasdale stayed too long, without Kilby and Ingleby coming on board, we were heading for the 4th tier again That assumes anyone else wanted it. Several big shots had stuck their heads up… not one of them was a serious option. That is why Ray Ingleby was welcomed like a saviour, even before he joine...
by elwaclaret
Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:05 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out
Replies: 76
Views: 3441

Re: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out

He had “so called “ fans deliberately block up his gas flu outside his home in an attempt to poison him! No wonder he worried! Sadly, that does not surprise me. There were some pretty toxic times. The younger fans yawn when people mention “Orient game”, but it is used as shorthand for when everythi...
by elwaclaret
Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out
Replies: 76
Views: 3441

Re: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out

Ilkley claret wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:35 pm
Whatever the origins, Frank acted in the best interests of the Club thereafter.

Teasdale In!
Was always Marmite with people who met Frank Teasdale. I’ve been told before his health suffered when things went pear shaped, with worry but put up a fronts that upset a lot of people.
by elwaclaret
Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out
Replies: 76
Views: 3441

Re: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out

Nori1958 wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:43 pm
Some of it could be bad, if he's never been in prison
No I’m happy enough with it, I make no reference to prison, or even stated it definitely went to court.
by elwaclaret
Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out
Replies: 76
Views: 3441

Re: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out

You insinuated he may have been prosecuted and imprisoned. This may be so - I have no idea - but if it isn't the case it's not a particularly helpful comment. Your opinion. A question was asked I answered from my memory, and made it clear I was doing so. If it was not helpful, perhaps that is becau...
by elwaclaret
Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out
Replies: 76
Views: 3441

Re: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out

Ray lives in Blackpool & is CEO of Guest Services Worldwide. I'm not sure some of the comments on here are particularly wise. Not sure why you would think that. No one has said anything defamatory. I for one was sorry when things did not work out for him. He was certainly the great hope of many Bur...
by elwaclaret
Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out
Replies: 76
Views: 3441

Re: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out

Nori1958 wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:13 pm
Did he ever get his claret and blue jet?
Don’t think so, but he may have ended up with a natty orange jump suit.
by elwaclaret
Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: HST2
Replies: 184
Views: 12611

Re: HST2

The North has always been an inconvenience for London. Should have joined forces with Scotland years ago. Certainly for Whitehall. London centricity is relatively new. Until the late 70’s London was one of the cheapest places in Britain to live… because it was a dump. Privatisation of public servic...
by elwaclaret
Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:00 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out
Replies: 76
Views: 3441

Re: ARTICLE: Teasdale Out

Carwin261 wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:41 pm
Whatever happened to Ray Ingleby ?
Seem to remember him sticking around a couple of years in the background, then his business collapsed in the US if I remember right. Think he went back stateside to try to save it. May even have ended up being prosecuted, from memory.
by elwaclaret
Wed Dec 20, 2023 4:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Forrest to sack cooper
Replies: 43
Views: 3245

Re: Forrest to sack cooper

Vegas Claret wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2023 4:49 am
fair point but he's still spent 350-400 million (whatever it is) and we were better than them both times we played them this season
I would not be so sure Cooper was spending that money, more dealing with what arrived is my guess.
by elwaclaret
Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: MISSION TO RELEGATION.
Replies: 236
Views: 11669

Re: MISSION TO RELEGATION.

Fair and reasonable comments (though I don't think the upcoming window will be much help) Everyone is frustrated and we all express it in different ways. I always think of football like family - I can slag them off all I want but I'll defend them to the hilt if anyone else dares to. In all honesty ...
by elwaclaret
Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: MISSION TO RELEGATION.
Replies: 236
Views: 11669

Re: MISSION TO RELEGATION.

I think, as usual the truth lies somewhere in the middle of this tribal warfare. The board underestimated the Premier League, flushed with their success in the Championship. Whoever at the club was a bit like a kid in the sweet shop when dealing with transfers. As they would say - they are all learn...
by elwaclaret
Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: PL Prediction League - All Fixtures and Updates - WEEK 29 PREDICTIONS
Replies: 1469
Views: 118079

Re: PL Prediction League - All Fixtures and Updates - ALL FESTIVE FIXTURE PREDICTIONS

Thursday 21st December Crystal Palace 1-2 Brighton Friday 22nd December Aston Villa 4-1 Sheffield United Sat 23rd December West Ham 2-2 Man-Utd Fulham 0-1 Burnley Jay Rod 34mins Luton 1-1 Newcastle NAP Forest 1-1 Bournemouth Spurs 1-1 Everton Liverpool 2-1 Arsenal Sunday 24th December Wolves 1-2 Che...
by elwaclaret
Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dave Fishwick - Politics Live
Replies: 25
Views: 2829

Re: Dave Fishwick - Politics Live

That's an awful slur to make at me elwaclaret, you really ought to withdraw it. It isn't acceptable to make these baseless and false accusations simply because we might disagree on how to tackle deprivation. Pointing out that this scheme exists (as have multiple prior schemes) to deliver milk token...
by elwaclaret
Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:21 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 23/24 Season - Burnley Predictor Game - CHELSEA v BURNLEY
Replies: 2272
Views: 144512

Re: 23/24 Season - Burnley Predictor Game - FULHAM v BURNLEY

Fulham 0-1 Burnley - Jay Rod 34mins

Championship
by elwaclaret
Tue Dec 19, 2023 3:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Nathan Redmond
Replies: 122
Views: 8538

Re: Nathan Redmond

With 0 goals and 0 assists. We dont owe him a start, its up to him to earn it. I hope he doesnt have the same attitude as people on here, hes not had any unusual or unfair treatment like being frozen out of the side. If hed come in and scored, or had a huge impact then he'd have earned a start. He ...
by elwaclaret
Tue Dec 19, 2023 3:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Forrest to sack cooper
Replies: 43
Views: 3245

Re: Forrest to sack cooper

that will completely turn the Forest fan base and make it very toxic there unless Nuno wins immediately Could not agree more, there seems to be very little hunger for a change in the stands. What Cooper has done with Notts Forest since he got there is why the barmy owner now thinks they should be d...
by elwaclaret
Tue Dec 19, 2023 2:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dave Fishwick - Politics Live
Replies: 25
Views: 2829

Re: Dave Fishwick - Politics Live

Which tells us what? Those who aren’t the poorest in this country have had their spending power chipped away again and again over the last however many years and can no longer afford basic necessities. Rowls is factually correct regarding milk/bread vouchers. However, his lack of empathy seems typi...
by elwaclaret
Tue Dec 19, 2023 1:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Obefemi
Replies: 56
Views: 7260

Re: Obefemi

I suppose it's possible that Sean Dyche having lost 4 key players and changed his tactics the day before only to lose another key player at half time is pondering the threat of Obafemi on the bench but I doubt it. Jay was a very good player and to be honest I think he's had a decent season given I ...
by elwaclaret
Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:09 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Obefemi
Replies: 56
Views: 7260

Re: Obefemi

Seriously? You can't have a player taking up someone else's place on the bench if you've no intention of bringing him on. He can get exactly the same experience simply by sitting with the subs and management team as part of the matchday squad, (or form the stands).Any player that is named as a sub ...
by elwaclaret
Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:51 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Obefemi
Replies: 56
Views: 7260

Re: Obefemi

All the stuff posted over the past 24 hours re: Obafemi, and his injuries clarifies the situation to a large extent, but if he's on the bench, you're playing at home and 2-0 down, and at no point do you bring him on, then it's very reasonable to ask questions of the manager. (A manager who I still ...
by elwaclaret
Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:47 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Nathan Redmond
Replies: 122
Views: 8538

Re: Nathan Redmond

I can only think VK was looking to have an experienced vein if not spine to the team, and when he missed out on his targets decided to go another way. January will be one of the most interesting in years, it should make clear if the club are going to dust themselves off and have another go at gettin...
by elwaclaret
Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:08 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Obefemi
Replies: 56
Views: 7260

Re: Obefemi

Let’s not rewrite history here. He made his England debut not long before the World Cup against chile, and as you say, suffered a very bad injury followed by a serious illness. However, the striking options at the time were very limited. He was a decent/good premier league player at his peak yes - ...
by elwaclaret
Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:25 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Are Burnley and Chelsea pioneering the same path?
Replies: 4
Views: 1198

Re: Are Burnley and Chelsea pioneering the same path?

We tried this long before the modern era. We were going to have the team of the 70’s…. Then came the 80’s.
by elwaclaret
Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Ralph Coates
Replies: 36
Views: 5036

Re: Ralph Coates

Still have soft spot for Orient on the back of being the only chance I had of possibly seeing Ralph play, my dad had said “he’s no Ralph Coates” so many times he became a superhero of football for me as a young kid.
by elwaclaret
Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The Mood has changed
Replies: 155
Views: 23304

Re: The Mood has changed

I'd definitely rather watch what Everton produced yesterday over what we are producing every week whether they won or not, they played well and didn't break sweat. We have no style anymore it's so boring to watch it isn't this good football people believe. Do you think the players from last season ...
by elwaclaret
Sat Dec 16, 2023 8:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Awful
Replies: 147
Views: 31587

Re: Awful

Disappointingly predictable today, sadly. With the exception of trying to whip in high balls (against Tarks and Keane) more than I’ve spotted Burnley doing in the last eighteen months. We needed to tear into them from the kick off, and started ok. Sadly ok was nowhere near good enough, and then we g...
by elwaclaret
Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dean Smith
Replies: 17
Views: 3830

Re: Dean Smith

Holtyclaret wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:33 pm
He was very lucky through his career to play in particularly good teams at Bury, Oldham and Burnley.

I’ve recently been reunited with his div three winning Burnley shirt, now a family heirloom I’m having framed for my son.
Superb, top marks!
by elwaclaret
Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:48 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Guy on Social media calling out Academy
Replies: 52
Views: 9753

Re: Guy on Social media calling out Academy

I think it's a difficult sell to get 1st team managers involved with the youth set up. Most of them know they won't be around long enough to gain any benefit from it. I don’t necessarily think VK would be any more reticent than SD was about overseeing the Gawthorpe upgrade. There was always a dange...
by elwaclaret
Wed Dec 13, 2023 9:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Guy on Social media calling out Academy
Replies: 52
Views: 9753

Re: Guy on Social media calling out Academy

It's also not been prioritised by previous owners. City are making profits on youngsters who've never played in the 1st team.... I doubt anyone would pay big money for an untried burnley youngster. I'd love to see players coming through the youth set up, I remember us winning the youth cup, but unf...
by elwaclaret
Wed Dec 13, 2023 8:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Guy on Social media calling out Academy
Replies: 52
Views: 9753

Re: Guy on Social media calling out Academy

It's a good model... But a long term one... Can any owner wait ten years for the young kid signed now, before making any money on them? Good point, but I’ve heard many a time of the club’s owners long term strategy. Ten years is not that long term in strategic terms (ask Putin), and by not prioriti...
by elwaclaret
Wed Dec 13, 2023 8:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Guy on Social media calling out Academy
Replies: 52
Views: 9753

Re: Guy on Social media calling out Academy

When we lost Cat 1, we said we would be pushing to return, but we did not apply for this season. It seems strange a business model based on developing players to sell on don’t see more importance of bringing through their own talent rather than paying multiple millions for players half baked by ano...
by elwaclaret
Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Dean Smith
Replies: 17
Views: 3830

Re: Dean Smith

I’m the son of a former claret too not that I particularly have any links or connections with the club these days apart from my ST. My cousin Aron blazed his own path and was a v good schoolboy keeper but never made the grade. He’s just done this podcast which is interesting; https://podcasts.apple...
by elwaclaret
Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Jurgen Klopp
Replies: 44
Views: 9623

Re: Jurgen Klopp

Bosscat wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:16 pm
Wonder if thats why they sing "Yule never walk alone" 🤔
Yule get coal for Christmas with gags like that.
by elwaclaret
Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:53 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Jurgen Klopp
Replies: 44
Views: 9623

Re: Jurgen Klopp

fidelcastro wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:39 am
You might.
There have been three days of Yule since pre-roman times… 24th, 25th and 26th December. The Christian church expanded it and we currently have twelve days… which dates back to the early medieval.
by elwaclaret
Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Abuse towards other posters
Replies: 90
Views: 16247

Re: Abuse towards other posters

Sadly a reflection of the lack of respect for others so prevalent in today’s society. That University humanities is about the only place where intellectual argument is actively encouraged has only encouraged bigotry and intolerance in wider society. The art of debate is being lost, stolen and dismis...
by elwaclaret
Mon Dec 11, 2023 12:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Barton
Replies: 195
Views: 32414

Re: Barton

I find the calls for censure of anyone expressing an opinion fundamentally problematic. We live in a democracy… calling for the thought police is welcoming oppression - a major principle of totalitarianism, a slippery slope… that starts with the cancellation of political satire and investigative jou...
by elwaclaret
Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Russia Invades
Replies: 10694
Views: 790964

Re: Russia Invades

Kiev Independent: Commander: Russian troops continue offensive operations along eastern front line. The situation in Ukraine’s east remains difficult as Russian troops continue conducting offensive operations along the entire front line, Ground Forces Commander Oleksandr Syrskyi reported on Dec. 10....
by elwaclaret
Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:54 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Russia Invades
Replies: 10694
Views: 790964

Re: Russia Invades

"One of Ukraine's greatest achievements since February 24 is the expulsion of the Russian military fleet from the Black Sea. ANTON GERASHCHENKO- It was in the Black Sea that we managed to prove that Ukraine will not only remain a contributor to global security, including food security, but is also c...
by elwaclaret
Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today's result in perspective...
Replies: 46
Views: 8223

Re: Today's result in perspective...

In premier league history isn’t it something like only 4 teams that have been bottom of the league at Christmas survived. The next few games are crucial. If we are bottom the odds are that we very unlikely to survive There is no argument the next few game are crucial… nothing is decided before Chri...
by elwaclaret
Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Today's result in perspective...
Replies: 46
Views: 8223

Re: Today's result in perspective...

Those saying no chance it’s xxxx clearly have not spotted that it is not rare for a club drop from mid table into the relegation scrap, while others rise phoenix like after a good Christmas.
by elwaclaret
Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:59 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Shohei Otanhi
Replies: 7
Views: 1953

Re: Shohei Otanhi

South West Claret. wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:47 pm
Where did KL go to in the end? Back to Ireland?
Thought he was taken back on by Birmingham after being released by them in the summer to save money. Might be wrong
by elwaclaret
Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: TV Licence
Replies: 52
Views: 7358

Re: TV Licence

I only realised after two fines (being over by a week) YOU DO NOT NEED A LICENSE in higher education. Universities buy a license that covers all there students… you don’t need one for your address.
by elwaclaret
Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: PL Prediction League - All Fixtures and Updates - WEEK 29 PREDICTIONS
Replies: 1469
Views: 118079

Re: PL Prediction League - All Fixtures and Updates - WEEK 15 PREDICTIONS

Crystal Palace 1-3 Liverpool
Brighton 1-2 Burnley JayRod 34 mins
Man Utd 2-1 Bournemouth
Sheffield United 1-1 Brentford
Wolves 2-1 Forest NAP
Aston Villa 2-1 Arsenal
Everton 1-1 Chelsea
Fulham 1-1 West Ham
Luton 0-3 Man City
Spurs 2-1 Newcastle

28 Goals
by elwaclaret
Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:59 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 23/24 Season - Burnley Predictor Game - CHELSEA v BURNLEY
Replies: 2272
Views: 144512

Re: 23/24 Season - Burnley Predictor Game - WOLVES v BURNLEY

Brighton 1 Burnley 2 - Rodriguez 34

Championship