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His work was certainly thought provoking which made him different and interesting. However I later thought he had an agenda and no longer trusted his reporting. His position on the Ukraine war was a little troublesome, an anti-imperialist questioning Ukraine’s right to exist. However, as ever his h...

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Hope they can establish themselves as a management team, best of luck to them.

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Remember in an interview many years ago saying the Falklands changed him completely… one of his reports was quoting an officer, “the only thing holding us up is the weather”. The censors changed it to “the only thing holding us up are the politicians” - he decided then that if officials refused to a...

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I heard that Dyer was one of the senior pro’s we were looking to bring in the summer, and was close at one point. Hopefully it can be revived, but the interest he is now attracting may put a spanner in the works.

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I heard that Dyer was one of the senior pro’s we were looking to bring in the summer, and was close at one point. Hopefully it can be revived, but the interest he is now attracting may put a spanner in the works.

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Merry Christmas everyone.

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Remember seeing that last time it was on. Remember thinking it was surprising the self proclaimed ‘Rovers fan’ Host did not recognise him or the name.

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Interestingly, despite being visibly opposed to professionalism, Rovers were up to the same games, hiding players at India Mill and the paint works that became Crown. It was Rovers that killed off the bigger club Darwin by offering wages Darwen could not match and taking over their entire first team...

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The rugby union was founded in 1871 quite a bit before the football league, which was in 1888. The rugby Union was a locally based game, based on the Rugby rule set of football rules in the area of Rugby, hence it is still called ‘Rugby’ Football…. Same as the ‘Sheffield Rules football’ same as var...

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…. And of course when I say Burnley, I am referring to the club that became Burnley, through various moves prior to being directly connected to the Cricket Club… Albion Mill’s weavers shed team.

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And you are re-writing the club’s history. The official line is Burnley Rovers was a rugby club which changed code to association football and dropped the word Rovers. Sorry to jump on this post again CT, but just to add the early history of the club included three or four stops around the town, of...

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And you are re-writing the club’s history. The official line is Burnley Rovers was a rugby club which changed code to association football and dropped the word Rovers. I am not re- writing anything, I have used primary sources and academic research to research the origins of the football league… my...

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Burnley played rugby until May 1882 when a meeting at the Bull on Manchester Road opted to change code to association football. Sorry to be pedantic Tony, it may now be considered ‘rugby’ but that was not a term used at the time. Burnley moved from ‘football’ to London Association football. I did a...

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You are right, we were a rugby club and changed code in May 1882 at the Bull in town. There was no rugby association… the rugby Union was formed after the Football League, the Rugby League quite a while after, they adopted Sheffield and Manchester FA rules…. Football rules, London Association (Eton...

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I didn’t know that - I always thought we were a rugby club and changed to football. No such thing as ‘rugby’ at the time. The game they played was ‘football’, the Lancashire FA was the second FA and adopted ‘London Association Rules’ (soccer) early. The Manchester association played ‘shefield’ rule...

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* May have been Albion Mill - ( I did the origins of league football as part of Masters research, but have done several dissertations since). Edit.. Been thinking about it and it was Albion Mill, mixing it up Albert Mill in Rossendale that was part of the Rossendale Methodist research regarding ear...

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Fascinating club. Always wondered why they were named after a hotel… then research revealed the club was formed at the Methodist Church that faced that grand hotel. The main reason the West Midlands became involved with the Lancashire FA forming the football league.

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* May have been Albion Mill - ( I did the origins of league football as part of Masters research, but have done several dissertations since).

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The first time this happened was in the first couple of seasons in the league… it is a mistake that has been regularly repeated for well over 100 years. Many football history books say Burnley was one of the early Methodist Association Football Clubs… that was Barnsley. Burnley was the brainchild of...

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So, basically, it's what you know is correct and everyone else isn't? I just don't get you Tony. You are such a knowledgeable guy that writes great reports with brilliant insight, but if you think you're right, then you are. To be fair I knew Tony quite well in those days, and until the former mess...

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Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:25 am
Orange jump suit?

It was perhaps an ill advised jokey reaction, but it is not uncommon for CEO’s of US bankruptcy’s to be dragged through the courts, pretty certain that happened to Ray from press reports at the time. Nothing nasty, I made no judgement on him or his business activities.

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Disingenuous in the extreme. To what were you referring when you posted that 'he may have ended up in a natty orange jump suit' following a post where you commented that he may have been prosecuted? As I said, I have no knowledge of whether Ray did fall foul of the law in the USA, but if you haven'...

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randomclaret2 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:53 am
The days of 2,000 gates were 1986/7...these events were 12 or so years later

No the club was still dealing with the legacy of those days, and a lot of anti-board sentiments arched back over many years.

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Teasdale stayed too long, without Kilby and Ingleby coming on board, we were heading for the 4th tier again That assumes anyone else wanted it. Several big shots had stuck their heads up… not one of them was a serious option. That is why Ray Ingleby was welcomed like a saviour, even before he joine...

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He had “so called “ fans deliberately block up his gas flu outside his home in an attempt to poison him! No wonder he worried! Sadly, that does not surprise me. There were some pretty toxic times. The younger fans yawn when people mention “Orient game”, but it is used as shorthand for when everythi...

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Ilkley claret wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:35 pm
Whatever the origins, Frank acted in the best interests of the Club thereafter.

Teasdale In!

Was always Marmite with people who met Frank Teasdale. I’ve been told before his health suffered when things went pear shaped, with worry but put up a fronts that upset a lot of people.

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Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:43 pm
Some of it could be bad, if he's never been in prison

No I’m happy enough with it, I make no reference to prison, or even stated it definitely went to court.

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You insinuated he may have been prosecuted and imprisoned. This may be so - I have no idea - but if it isn't the case it's not a particularly helpful comment. Your opinion. A question was asked I answered from my memory, and made it clear I was doing so. If it was not helpful, perhaps that is becau...

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Ray lives in Blackpool & is CEO of Guest Services Worldwide. I'm not sure some of the comments on here are particularly wise. Not sure why you would think that. No one has said anything defamatory. I for one was sorry when things did not work out for him. He was certainly the great hope of many Bur...

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Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:13 pm
Did he ever get his claret and blue jet?

Don’t think so, but he may have ended up with a natty orange jump suit.

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The North has always been an inconvenience for London. Should have joined forces with Scotland years ago. Certainly for Whitehall. London centricity is relatively new. Until the late 70’s London was one of the cheapest places in Britain to live… because it was a dump. Privatisation of public servic...

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Carwin261 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:41 pm
Whatever happened to Ray Ingleby ?

Seem to remember him sticking around a couple of years in the background, then his business collapsed in the US if I remember right. Think he went back stateside to try to save it. May even have ended up being prosecuted, from memory.

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Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 20, 2023 4:49 am
fair point but he's still spent 350-400 million (whatever it is) and we were better than them both times we played them this season

I would not be so sure Cooper was spending that money, more dealing with what arrived is my guess.

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Fair and reasonable comments (though I don't think the upcoming window will be much help) Everyone is frustrated and we all express it in different ways. I always think of football like family - I can slag them off all I want but I'll defend them to the hilt if anyone else dares to. In all honesty ...

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I think, as usual the truth lies somewhere in the middle of this tribal warfare. The board underestimated the Premier League, flushed with their success in the Championship. Whoever at the club was a bit like a kid in the sweet shop when dealing with transfers. As they would say - they are all learn...

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Thursday 21st December Crystal Palace 1-2 Brighton Friday 22nd December Aston Villa 4-1 Sheffield United Sat 23rd December West Ham 2-2 Man-Utd Fulham 0-1 Burnley Jay Rod 34mins Luton 1-1 Newcastle NAP Forest 1-1 Bournemouth Spurs 1-1 Everton Liverpool 2-1 Arsenal Sunday 24th December Wolves 1-2 Che...

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That's an awful slur to make at me elwaclaret, you really ought to withdraw it. It isn't acceptable to make these baseless and false accusations simply because we might disagree on how to tackle deprivation. Pointing out that this scheme exists (as have multiple prior schemes) to deliver milk token...

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Fulham 0-1 Burnley - Jay Rod 34mins

Championship

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With 0 goals and 0 assists. We dont owe him a start, its up to him to earn it. I hope he doesnt have the same attitude as people on here, hes not had any unusual or unfair treatment like being frozen out of the side. If hed come in and scored, or had a huge impact then he'd have earned a start. He ...

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that will completely turn the Forest fan base and make it very toxic there unless Nuno wins immediately Could not agree more, there seems to be very little hunger for a change in the stands. What Cooper has done with Notts Forest since he got there is why the barmy owner now thinks they should be d...

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Which tells us what? Those who aren’t the poorest in this country have had their spending power chipped away again and again over the last however many years and can no longer afford basic necessities. Rowls is factually correct regarding milk/bread vouchers. However, his lack of empathy seems typi...

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I suppose it's possible that Sean Dyche having lost 4 key players and changed his tactics the day before only to lose another key player at half time is pondering the threat of Obafemi on the bench but I doubt it. Jay was a very good player and to be honest I think he's had a decent season given I ...

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Seriously? You can't have a player taking up someone else's place on the bench if you've no intention of bringing him on. He can get exactly the same experience simply by sitting with the subs and management team as part of the matchday squad, (or form the stands).Any player that is named as a sub ...

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All the stuff posted over the past 24 hours re: Obafemi, and his injuries clarifies the situation to a large extent, but if he's on the bench, you're playing at home and 2-0 down, and at no point do you bring him on, then it's very reasonable to ask questions of the manager. (A manager who I still ...

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I can only think VK was looking to have an experienced vein if not spine to the team, and when he missed out on his targets decided to go another way. January will be one of the most interesting in years, it should make clear if the club are going to dust themselves off and have another go at gettin...

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Let’s not rewrite history here. He made his England debut not long before the World Cup against chile, and as you say, suffered a very bad injury followed by a serious illness. However, the striking options at the time were very limited. He was a decent/good premier league player at his peak yes - ...

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We tried this long before the modern era. We were going to have the team of the 70’s…. Then came the 80’s.

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Still have soft spot for Orient on the back of being the only chance I had of possibly seeing Ralph play, my dad had said “he’s no Ralph Coates” so many times he became a superhero of football for me as a young kid.

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I'd definitely rather watch what Everton produced yesterday over what we are producing every week whether they won or not, they played well and didn't break sweat. We have no style anymore it's so boring to watch it isn't this good football people believe. Do you think the players from last season ...

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Disappointingly predictable today, sadly. With the exception of trying to whip in high balls (against Tarks and Keane) more than I’ve spotted Burnley doing in the last eighteen months. We needed to tear into them from the kick off, and started ok. Sadly ok was nowhere near good enough, and then we g...

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