Oh good grief.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:20 amI think some of you need to calm down with the ‘it may take two seasons to get promoted’. As things stand we have half a squad of players, a rookie manager and are being linked with young players with either no experience or from lower leagues. We may get promoted in one or two seasons, but as things stand we’re a long way from that looking likely.
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Dale Stephens was decent 5 years ago but not when we signed him. Lee Cattermole has 270 PL apps, but that doesn't mean he would suit us more than a young player who was the best individual in League 1.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:23 amWell no, I’m trying to dampen the expectations of those who think that someone who has over 100 PL appearances is sh!t whilst setting themselves at the prospect of signing a player who has played 40 odd times for MK Dons. If any of these lads have a career as successful as Dale Stephens they will have done extremely well.
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I don’t expect anything. I just don’t understand the blind optimism in our current predicament or the praise associated with selling very good players and replacing with kids.
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Apologies, it's Ballard who is N Ireland.
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I don't disagree there are a lot of ifs, buts, maybes.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:20 amI think some of you need to calm down with the ‘it may take two seasons to get promoted’. As things stand we have half a squad of players, a rookie manager and are being linked with young players with either no experience or from lower leagues. We may get promoted in one or two seasons, but as things stand we’re a long way from that looking likely.
We are on a new path, to who knows where, but it's definitely a path we had to take. I'd much rather be positive about it, than negative.
I say it might take 2 seasons in hope, because I think if we went up at the first attempt, it would be so much harder, probably too hard, to stay up. Relegation would just have us losing all our best young players and put us back to square 1.
I believe we are heading in the right direction, and as long as we continue to do that most Burnley fans should be happy.
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Scott twine announced
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Well he ain't going to get more at Millwall..Milltown1882 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:04 amThe Athletic reporting we couldn’t agree terms with Ballard, not a failed medical. Make of that what you will.
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Twine’s signed. One down.
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You’re the one making dale Stephen’s a benchmark. He is exactly what we don’t need. Offered the square root of nothing for us. Another old has been who’s drained our resources.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:20 amI think some of you need to calm down with the ‘it may take two seasons to get promoted’. As things stand we have half a squad of players, a rookie manager and are being linked with young players with either no experience or from lower leagues. We may get promoted in one or two seasons, but as things stand we’re a long way from that looking likely.
In reality the only decent players we have lost are Tarks, Mee and Pope. I think we have a good back up for Pope already and Collins is already a better player than Mee.
The players we are reportedly targeting are exactly
What we need.
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Absolutely. Things had gotten stale and fresh start with a new manager and a young fresh group of players is exciting and definitely something to be positive about. I’ve just read numerous people saying ‘it might take us two years to get promoted’ which is bordering on arrogance/delusion considering where we are right now.Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:27 amI don't disagree there are a lot of ifs, buts, maybes.
We are on a new path, to who knows where, but it's definitely a path we had to take. I'd much rather be positive about it, than negative.
I say it might take 2 seasons in hope, because I think if we went up at the first attempt, it would be so much harder, probably too hard, to stay up. Relegation would just have us losing all our best young players and put us back to square 1.
I believe we are heading in the right direction, and as long as we continue to do that most Burnley fans should be happy.
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Dale Stephens must rank amongst one of our worst ever signings, yes he was cheap, but offered nowt in his 2 years here, and stole wages, which weren't small either, plus no resale value.
At least if we take a calculated punt on some younger lower league talent the odds are some will come off, and even the ones that don't we'll likely make our money back due to their ages.
And it's not like we're buying unknows Twine is highly rated, and will surely only increase in value, exactly the type we should be chasing.
Why do some Burnley fans fear trusting in youth? Yes it carries risks, but less so than continually spending precious resources on ageing journeymen.
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Great start to the week. Well done BFC
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Dale Stephens was sh!t for us, whether that was just down to injury / age decline or him not actually being that good in the first place is opinion.Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:23 amWell no, I’m trying to dampen the expectations of those who think that someone who has over 100 PL appearances is sh!t whilst setting themselves at the prospect of signing a player who has played 40 odd times for MK Dons. If any of these lads have a career as successful as Dale Stephens they will have done extremely well.
I'm of the view he just wasn't very good, the majority of those PL appearances were in a Brighton side consistently more involved in a relegation battle than Burnley were. There's no evidence from his time in the PL to suggest he was ever more than a playing above his level.
Also worth noting at the age of 22 Stephens was a League 1 player. If Twine and McNally sign for Burnley they're already ahead of Stephens' career trajectory.
I'm confident these players will be better for Burnley than Stephens ever was. Though that is a very low bar.
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Luke McNally is said to be coming to Burnley on the Oxford United website. A big centre back I believe.
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Stephens didn't work out, but he didn't come knocking on the door "can I have a job please", we recruited him, we offered him the money, so he didn't steal anything.tiger76 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:33 amDale Stephens must rank amongst one of our worst ever signings, yes he was cheap, but offered nowt in his 2 years here, and stole wages, which weren't small either, plus no resale value.
At least if we take a calculated punt on some younger lower league talent the odds are some will come off, and even the ones that don't we'll likely make our money back due to their ages.
And it's not like we're buying unknows Twine is highly rated, and will surely only increase in value, exactly the type we should be chasing.
Why do some Burnley fans fear trusting in youth? Yes it carries risks, but less so than continually spending precious resources on ageing journeymen.
I know it's all terminology, but it just sounds so disrespectful for a player who was probably as disappointed as the fans that it didn't work out. Whatever mistakes were made in his recruitment, they weren't his.
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Where we are right now?Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:31 amAbsolutely. Things had gotten stale and fresh start with a new manager and a young fresh group of players is exciting and definitely something to be positive about. I’ve just read numerous people saying ‘it might take us two years to get promoted’ which is bordering on arrogance/delusion considering where we are right now.
5th faves to go up
Top 3 budgets in the division
New coach who already has made us a favourable option for players and had fantastic links with top clubs in England and Europe.
Deadwood all but cleared out freeing up space for a squad rebuild that’s not going to centre around 30 yr old cast offs from championship and prem reserve teams.
Future is looking very bright for us at the moment,just hope we show patience in the rebuild and get behind the new manager and players and remember it’s not all about this season.
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Stephens didn't work out, but the warning signs were there when we signed him, he'd barely featured for Brighton the prior season, and he wasn't getting any younger, plus he'd been picking up niggling injuries.Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:45 amStephens didn't work out, but he didn't come knocking on the door "can I have a job please", we recruited him, we offered him the money, so he didn't steal anything.
I know it's all terminology, but it just sounds so disrespectful for a player who was probably as disappointed as the fans that it didn't work out. Whatever mistakes were made in his recruitment, they weren't his.
As you say not his fault that Burnley offered him a 2 year deal on good money, but hopefully we've learnt a harsh lesson as a club, and won't repeat these expensive mistakes in future.
The early signs about Kompany's regime are certainly much more promising that's for sure.
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Out of interest, would you rather us play Stephens or Twine next season? As someone pointed out, Lee Cattermole has nearly 300 PL appearances... doesn't mean he's any good now. Maybe we should give Roy Keane a bell, he was decent.
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I have looked on the Oxford Mail web site and "Football Insider" and both quote terms agreed for £1.4 million.
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Very exciting at the signings-but PLEASE can we stop talking about Dale Stephens. Its really depressing me. Doubt he will get another club with his appearances in the last 3 seasons, plus his driving ban
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Why are we arguing about stephens?
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Well said.Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:45 amStephens didn't work out, but he didn't come knocking on the door "can I have a job please", we recruited him, we offered him the money, so he didn't steal anything.
I know it's all terminology, but it just sounds so disrespectful for a player who was probably as disappointed as the fans that it didn't work out. Whatever mistakes were made in his recruitment, they weren't his.
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Enough on Stephens, back on topic. Twine is a great signing. We haven't signed an exciting young attacking player for quite a while. Hoping he bags a few freekicks too.
I'm quietly confident about this season. I think we'll be in the top 6.
I'm quietly confident about this season. I think we'll be in the top 6.
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I’d rather we play Twine. Not sure why my points are so difficult to understand, they’re written in plain English.SalouClaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:52 amOut of interest, would you rather us play Stephens or Twine next season? As someone pointed out, Lee Cattermole has nearly 300 PL appearances... doesn't mean he's any good now. Maybe we should give Roy Keane a bell, he was decent.
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No I didn’t. Why would you make something like that up.
As above, the points I’ve made are written in plain English. It’s not my fault if you can’t understand them.
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Have we ever announced a signing on Sunday before
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Kompany has Managed 82 game's in the league, a cup cup final, and games in Europe has a so called rookie
Our last manger Mr Dyche had managed just 49 games before joining Burnley, that rookie didn't turn out bad did it
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Anybody know how many Premier League games Dale Stephens had played at 22?
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Is it somewhere less than 1arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:17 pmAnybody know how many Premier League games Dale Stephens had played at 22?
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It turned out brilliantly. And all of the best managers were rookies at one stage. But that doesn’t mean that Kompany isn’t a rookie, and he’s not managed a single game in this country.
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Going off his interview on the club site, 'the fixture list came out yesterday', would suggest that it was filmed on Friday, and therefore all done and dusted by Thursday. So 3 days to acknowledge the signing.
Just a point of interest, so how many will we have signed already, but possibly drip feed one a day to the media......
Just a point of interest, so how many will we have signed already, but possibly drip feed one a day to the media......
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Successful career ??? He's one honour with one title and that was a division one win, he's hardly Kevin De BruyneRileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:23 amWell no, I’m trying to dampen the expectations of those who think that someone who has over 100 PL appearances is sh!t whilst setting themselves at the prospect of signing a player who has played 40 odd times for MK Dons. If any of these lads have a career as successful as Dale Stephens they will have done extremely well.
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How many games had Klopp managed in this country before he took over Liverpool.......it means nothing
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Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:51 amWe’ve just lost players such as Nick Pope and James Tarkowski and gone from signing full internationals with Champions League experience to ‘literally the best League 1 player’.
The player churn and new look team is exciting in many ways, but I can’t help that think people are getting a bit giddy considering the drop in quality of our players. I mean we’re signing players with potential but of a lower quality than the much derided Dale Stephens.
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He successfully stole a wage for a couple of years
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Drop in quality of league equals drop in quality of player's
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You made a point of Kompany never managed in this country, I made a point that counts for nothing, Tell me you didn’t read the post you quoted without telling me you didn’t read the post you quoted
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