The Great Repeal Bill

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:12 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Ringo

Theresa may stands up and says "All wives must give thier husbands a blow job every day"

Disregard the awful mental image of Theresa satisfying her hubby, but does that mean that is now what is going to happen because she's said it?

Think about it

That's simply silly lancs. I thought you were above stuff like that.

You can't compare a State of the Union address which was trailed as the EU coming out fighting and showing it's resilience and plans for the future without the UK and despite brexit. To one IMAGINED by You! It's just daft.

He's said what he's said. Without ANY jeers, heckling or voices of dissent while saying it.

When we were lied to and told the EEC was a Common market a trading block. Concerns were raised about it morphing into a country.

People who could see the reality said

It'll end up with a flag. The europhiles said "I doubt it"
It'll end up with an national anthem. Europhiles said "I doubt it"
It'll end up with a single currency. The europhiles said "I doubt it"
It'll end up with a parliament. The europhiles said "I doubt it"
It'll end up with ministers and Commisioners. The europhiles said "I doubt it"
It'll end up with a central bank. The europhiles said "I doubt it"

The UNELECTED president, Jean Claude Drunker announced that the EU the following -

An expansion of membership (imperialistic mission creep)

Making the Euro compulsory for new members.

Extending the Schengan Zone.

To APPOINT (not DEMOCRATICALLY ELECT) Pan European ministers. With unprecedented powers, that OVER RIDE national SOVEREIGNTY, Soviet style!!

The formation of an EU army by 2025. ( "The idea of an EU army is dangerous fantasy." Arch Remoaner Nick "tuition fees" Clegg June 2016)

Funding of political parties to be altered. This will favour the larger (therefore PRO-EU!!!!!) parties. And will choke off the smaller parties, and extinguish, totally, independents!

WITHOUT a mandate

WITHOUT any democratic elections

WITHOUT a treaty change

WITHOUT any national referendums

And your saying "I doubt it"

So with the Tories you FEEL that the great repeal Bill will lead to a power grab leading to the 4th Reich. Despite there being a general election for definite by at least 2022

And when it comes to an actual official announcements by the head of the EU. That shows, just as YOU SAID-

"Basically, it will get abused, because sadly that is what politicians do when they are not accountable to anything."

Your words mate. Not mine.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:26 pm

You spout **** whether it's in CAPITAL LETTERS or not, Ringo.
Stop waving your tiny knob around and give it a rest.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:31 pm

The cartoon- quality!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09 ... atic-bent/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:33 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:You spout **** whether it's in CAPITAL LETTERS or not, Ringo.
Stop waving your tiny knob around and give it a rest.

Very mature.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:38 pm

aggi wrote:Is Ringo's keyboard broken and his only option is to copy and paste random sentences?

At the risk of repeating myself (and sounding like a Ringo).

That stuff you keep copying and pasting, we could have vetoed that, wouldn't have happened unless we wanted it to.

Juncker can be voted out. That's what the European Elections are for. The candidates for President are announced before the elections, people know what they are voting for.

Don't let all the inaccuracies in your post stop you copy and pasting it though.

"The candidates for President are announced before the elections, people know what they are voting for."

The president is NOT democratically elected by the People of The EU.

Which "People" are you referring to!

Talk about inaccuracies!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:41 pm

aggi wrote:Except they are elected, and citizens can participate in a vote which will impact on whether they are elected. If the European People's Party hadn't received the highest number of seats in the election (the party who had selected Juncker as their candidate before the election) then another candidate would have had the opportunity to form a majority. A bit of horse-trading went on, alliances were formed (does this bit sound familiar) and a majority backing was in place for Juncker.

I'm not really sure what kind of democracy you expect, but for most people the voting and stuff works. I expect you'll just shout some more soundbites (not elected, drunk, sovereignty, vote) rather than actually engage in why the above isn't a democratic process though.

Bliar, Brown Thatcher May. Democratically elected by the People at the ballot box

Junker?......

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:45 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Bliar, Brown Thatcher May. Democratically elected by the People at the ballot box

Junker?......

Ku

Brown?
May? - well to an extent

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:45 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Not accusing someone of being drunk are you Ringo?

Your right Bordeaux.

Jean claude Junker is SEMI permanently p1ssed.

They reckon if you need to contact him. After 1 o'clock. Forget it!

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:49 pm

Interesting. When I said you must be drunk the other week because it's not possible to be that stupid you didn't like that and said you shouldn't accuse people of being drunk as it makes you sound silly.

Still, as you were.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:54 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:Interesting.

How do you feel about our Head of State being an unelected Queen or King who can't be kicked out? Are you in favour of abolishing the Monarchy?

To be honest John thats a very fair point.

Without wanting to swerve , I'd put it to a referendum. Let the People decide. I'd be up for making the royals pay for themselves perhaps. And if not end the civil list, I think it's called. But making it much much less wide.

The queen/king is by and large a ceremonial role that's come about down the years of time and historical adjustments.

The thing is. If you believe the EU president is a similar ceremonial figure. You'd have expected the eurocrats to have used a much more modern and progressive blue print than the royal family wouldn't you.

But fair play for a decent post.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:58 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Interesting. When I said you must be drunk the other week because it's not possible to be that stupid you didn't like that and said you shouldn't accuse people of being drunk as it makes you sound silly.

Still, as you were.

I pointed out that to continually saying that some ones drunk because they have a different opinion to you. Means the point you may be trying to make, lacks any credibility.

Trying to bring it up again, kind of reinforces my point.

Like you say. As you were.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:00 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Christ, stop winding him up, lads - he'll be on his second box of tissues today.

You really don't do the adult thing do you?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:01 pm

It wasn't a difference of opinion though. It was you claiming something that wasn't true and hadn't been said.

But that doesn't appear to be an issue for you as multiple threads prove.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:03 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Brown?
May? - well to an extent

Sorry yes. If you mean PM. But they do all have to be elected via the ballot box first.

Junker?...

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:03 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:"The candidates for President are announced before the elections, people know what they are voting for."

The president is NOT democratically elected by the People of The EU.

Which "People" are you referring to!

Talk about inaccuracies!

I'm going to need some clues as to what your point is here? Just putting random works in capitals isn't really enough.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:04 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:It wasn't a difference of opinion though. It was you claiming something that wasn't true and hadn't been said.

But that doesn't appear to be an issue for you as multiple threads prove.

Whatever pal.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:09 pm

aggi wrote:I'm going to need some clues as to what your point is here? Just putting random works in capitals isn't really enough.

I'm sorry but if you don't understand what I'm saying I genuinely can't help.

You said

"The candidates for President are announced before the elections, people know what they are voting for."

I said,

The president is NOT democratically elected by the People.

For the president to be elected by the People there would have to be 100s of millions of votes cast in presidential election.

How many were cast in your version of democracy?

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:18 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:You really don't do the adult thing do you?

If reading your incessant bullcrap where you use the same stupid tactics irrespective of the issue or the posters with whom you are debating is "doing the adult thing", then no, you're dead right, I don't.

Rowls used to use the same tactic to some extent but he has had the intelligence to develop and create. You never will - you're merely negative and self-indulgent. As I implied, it's always a cock-waving contest to you and will always be one in which you are at a huge disadvantage, I suspect.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:25 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:If reading your incessant bullcrap where you use the same stupid tactics irrespective of the issue or the posters with whom you are debating is "doing the adult thing", then no, you're dead right, I don't.

Rowls used to use the same tactic to some extent but he has had the intelligence to develop and create. You never will - you're merely negative and self-indulgent. As I implied, it's always a cock-waving contest to you and will always be one in which you are at a huge disadvantage, I suspect.

Calm down old chap!

Some advice.

1 Don't read my " incessant bullcrap" Absolulty nobody is forcing you.

2 Stop going on about "cock-waving" contests. It weird!

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:36 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:I'm sorry but if you don't understand what I'm saying I genuinely can't help.

You said

"The candidates for President are announced before the elections, people know what they are voting for."

I said,

The president is NOT democratically elected by the People.

For the president to be elected by the People there would have to be 100s of millions of votes cast in presidential election.

How many were cast in your version of democracy?

The candidates represent a party. Just like the UK election. If you don't like the candidate, don't vote for the party, the party doesn't get any seats, their candidate doesn't become president.

I'm not sure whether you truly don't understand this or you didn't realise it was the case (I'm guessing you didn't know the system changed last time round) and you're trying to use semantics to hide the fact that you can't just keep typing UNELECTED and it be true.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:44 pm

Well, today's been pretty embarrassing for the stubborn and stupid Ringo.

Hahahahahahahaha.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:50 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Bliar, Brown Thatcher May. Democratically elected by the People at the ballot box

Junker?......

I didn't see any of those names on my ballot paper when I voted.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:50 pm

aggi wrote:The candidates represent a party. Just like the UK election. If you don't like the candidate, don't vote for the party, the party doesn't get any seats, their candidate doesn't become president.

I'm not sure whether you truly don't understand this or you didn't realise it was the case (I'm guessing you didn't know the system changed last time round) and you're trying to use semantics to hide the fact that you can't just keep typing UNELECTED and it be true.

I'll hold my hand up if I'm wrong. But my idea of a, democraticly elected by The People, president. Is just that. Elected by The People.

I know that commissioners are elected by 751 ( I think MEPs) so to me that is not democratic. No way.

I think Tony Benns 5 questions are a good start for judging whether something is truly democratic or not.

Apologies in advance. I don't know them off by heart and had to cut n paste . They were in capitals!!!

WHAT POWER HAVE YOU GOT?
WHERE DID YOU GET IT FROM?
IN WHOSE INTERESTS DO YOU EXERCISE IT?
TO WHOM ARE YOU ACCOUNTABLE?
HOW CAN WE GET RID OF YOU?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:51 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I didn't see any of those names on my ballot paper when I voted.

Their constituents did!

You seen Junkers lately/ever?

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:55 pm

Yeah, in his home country

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:59 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Their constituents did!

You seen Junkers lately/ever?

The people who are appointed (by democratic vote) to vote on our behalf did.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:01 pm

A little reading for you here Ringo

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europea ... tion,_2014

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:15 pm

The odd thing is that I feel as if we would be a hell of a lot better off in a United States of Europe. But it will never happen - even just in the rest of Europe after Brexit.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:18 pm

Tall Paul wrote:The people who are appointed (by democratic vote) to vote on our behalf did.

Swerve alert!

Did you see the name Junker on your ballot paper?

Answer - No.

Conclusion - he is not elected by the People of Europe.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:26 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Swerve alert!

Did you see the name Junker on your ballot paper?

Answer - No.

Conclusion - he is not elected by the People of Europe.

Ah, I've found the problem. Ringo lives in Maidenhead so thinks you directly vote for the leader.

As for the rest of us, we didn't see Theresa May's name on our ballot papers.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:40 pm

Walton wrote:Well, today's been pretty embarrassing for the stubborn and stupid Ringo.

Hahahahahahahaha.

The thread is about the great repeal Bill. Some posters believe ( and that's important. It's only a belief) it will lead to an undemocratic power grab and loss of parliamentary sovereignty.

Jean claude Junker, made a very important speech yesterday. Not a leaked memo. Not a off the record rumour. Not a "our sources understand". No an official, with all the world's media present, announcement.

The announcements stated the EUs plan for the future. The announcements were not shouted down. They weren't met with approving silence.

I picked out the most worrying, and clearly undemocratic. A real power grab. One with the official stamp of the president. A bolstering of the undemocratic EU. The blatant taking away of sovereignty from nations. And even the formation of an EU army.

And yet not a single poster has actually took me on and said that the individual plans are democratic. Aren't an attack on the individual nation's sovereignty. And the formation of an army, without a referendum, treaty change or a mandate is not close to a f***** dictatorship!

Not one. Not a single one has defended the EU plans.

So rather than me be embarrassed. It's the ones who've deflected, swerved my basic point. Namely, that they're all getting upset about what the great repeal Bill MAY lead to. (Even though it's been pointed out that we can always elect a new government to repeal anything all they don't like!) And simply dismissing what are ACTUAL undemocratic power grabing EU plans

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:42 pm

aggi wrote:Ah, I've found the problem. Ringo lives in Maidenhead so thinks you directly vote for the leader.

As for the rest of us, we didn't see Theresa May's name on our ballot papers.

Second swerve alert!

Round and round we go

Did you or millions of Europeans see the name Junker.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:45 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Swerve alert!

Did you see the name Junker on your ballot paper?

Answer - No.

Conclusion - he is not elected by the People of Europe.

Did you see the name Theresa May on your ballot paper?

We'll continue until you get it.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:47 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Second swerve alert!

Round and round we go

Did you or millions of Europeans see the name Junker.

Round and round we go.

Did you or millions of British people see the name Theresa May?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:51 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Did you see the name Theresa May on your ballot paper?

We'll continue until you get it.

No.

She was elected via the ballot box in maidenhead, by The People. June 2017.

Where and when was Junker elected via the ballot box, by The People?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:59 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:No.

She was elected via the ballot box in maidenhead, by The People. June 2017.

Where and when was Junker elected via the ballot box, by The People?

Luxembourg, not sure when.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:03 pm

Ah so you are upset that the people you are able to democratically vote for have voted on something or someone you don't like?

Is that correct?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:09 pm

Ok fair enough.

Which of the following is not undemocratic. Not a power grab. Not a sign of imperialistic mission creep. Not the kind of thing a tin pot dictator would do?

Extending Schengan

Making the Euro compulsory

Expanding membership (imperialism)

Withdrawing funding for smaller parties and excluding independents

The APPOINTMENT of Pan EU ministers with the right but no mandate to over ride national sovereignty.

Forming an EU army

All without a mandate, a treaty, a referendum.

Which One?

And why do you think that a recent poll showed 60% of Europeans are concerned about the direction the EU is going?

No swerving. No deflecting.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:09 pm

He's taking the ****.

Nobody is this thick.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:10 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Ah so you are upset that the people you are able to democratically vote for have voted on something or someone you don't like?

Is that correct?

See the above post.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:10 pm

None of those things will happen without a vote in the European Parliament, which makes your entire point redundant.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:11 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:He's taking the ****.

Nobody is this thick.

See the above post.

No swerving. You do have previous.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:11 pm

How the f**k is expanding membership the same as imperialism?

You do know that the EU don't invade countries don't you?

Again mate, you are seriously trolling, or you are as thick as mince.

Neither are good look to be perfectly honest

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:12 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:He's taking the ****.

Nobody is this thick.

Well he claims he's not drunk.
Could be a robot designed to provoke debate/ridicule?

I'm not convinced he knows what swerve means either.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:12 pm

Tall Paul wrote:None of those things will happen without a vote in the European Parliament, which makes your entire point redundant.

How do you think the vote will go?

Let's assume it rubber stamps the commission demands.

Address the points

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:13 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Well he claims he's not drunk.
Could be a robot designed to provoke debate/ridicule?

Oh dear

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:14 pm

Your whole argument is based on your opinion that the EU is not democratic.

You've swallowed everything that vote leave told you, every single lie. Every. Single. One.

The EU is a democratic organisation. Always has been. Always will be.

Once we agree on that, we can move on (well, a bit, but crikey man, your arguments make Rowls look like a combination of Cicero and Winston Churchill)

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:15 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:How do you think the vote will go?

Let's assume it rubber stamps the commission demands.

Address the points

If it's voted on by the elected European Parliament then it's democratic.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:16 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Oh dear

I'm trying my best to give you the benefit of the doubt Ringo.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:19 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:No.

She was elected via the ballot box in maidenhead, by The People. June 2017.

Where and when was Junker elected via the ballot box, by The People?

Ah, so if 0.15% of the electorate (whose views aren't representative of the electorate as a whole) have the opportunity to vote for someone that means they're elected by The People. That's not very democratic. UNELECTED!

I suspect I can't be the only one carrying on with this to see which tenuous straw you'll grasp next.