Today's Brexit vote

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:03 am

Doesn't really change anything, the only thing that really would be is if the Judges had ruled that the devolved regions could stop it.

Now it would only get interesting if Labour changed its position.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:38 am

I want the MP's to block Brexit, I have been convinced that I voted based on a pack of lies, and through the irrational fear of foreigners stoked up by Nigel Farage (Hitler). I have the Brexit-regret that 95% of leave voters are said to have. I will be voting lib dem in the hopes of overturning and blocking this utter utter madness. Well done today Supreme Court, and well done Gina Miller for making this whole process as long, and expensive for the government as humanly possible.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:42 am

You used to be so good at this fishing lark CM.

Now you sound like Ringos younger brother

3/10 must do better!

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:44 am

Even a splash of Godwin's law for real impact too.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:46 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:You used to be so good at this fishing lark CM.

Now you sound like Ringos younger brother

3/10 must do better!

Was the (Hitler) part too much?

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:48 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Was the (Hitler) part too much?

Think it was the voting lib dem bit

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:54 am

Defo the Lib Dem bit!

Mind you, we'd welcome you with open arms!

We take anyone!

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:54 am

The right decision. The great dictator is going to have to learn that we live in a parliamentary democracy, and she can't just do as she pleases while bypassing our sovereign parliament.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:55 am

A frivolous appeal but another wonderful payday for the corporate law firms and their legal teams who are already making hay providing legal staff guiding civil servants through the Brexit negotiation complexities.

All part of the "cost of Brexit" I suppose.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:56 am

Only frivolous if you don't understand the legal implications.

If they had decided (for example!) that the devolved regions had a say for example, then it would have been a bit more than frivolous!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:04 am

Just a quick reminder gents.

The referendum was back in June 2016.

Leave won.

Sadly it appears that some desparate Remoaners just want to carry on having their communal hissy fit. Believing they genuinely have the right not to be disappointed!! Hahaha!

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:06 am

Can't we just all die in a nuclear attack? Shut the lot of us up.

Did Pangea vote to separate itself and form the continents as they are today? I demand a recount.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:09 am

Sidney1st wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rexit.html

Supreme Court justices handed down their historic ruling at 9.30am
Judges decided that the PM cannot start Brexit without passing legislation
Defeat for Theresa May came by a margin of 8-3 and the court dismissed calls for the Scottish government to get a veto over Brexit deal
The case was brought by Remain campaigner and former model Gina Miller

You missed a bit off Sid.

The case was brought by Remain campaigner, former model and self serving smug, millionairess, trying to preserve her entitlement and privilege in spite of how 17.4 million Britons voted in the biggest expression of democracy Britain as seen. Gina Miller!

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:12 am

I'll be waiting to see all the extra money being given to the NHS once we leave the EU.

For the record, not a single financial expert, MP, MEP, health professional or anyone else who voted to leave has been able to produce a single shred of evidence to support the claim that the NHS will be better off if we leave the EU despite it being plastered on the side of a bus.

The NHS will be in just as bad of a state in two years time.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:13 am

One thing that does amaze me though, in the face of how much global politics has changed in the last 12 months. Particularly with a Trump presidency, is how many people would genuinely like to still block brexit. It would cause a catastrophe the likes of which we we're supposed to see after a leave vote, only for real this time.

If they think the EU would welcome us back with open arms they are wrong, they never liked us and saw us as a troublesome member anyway, even before all this. It would damage our relationship with America, it would cause mass hysteria domestically with leave voters and pro-democracy groups. The uncertainty would go to unprecedented levels, and would severely hurt the economy. The damage would be massive.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:13 am

Spijed,

I believe it will be even worse than it is now.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:14 am

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Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:16 am

I think Trump will damage our relationship with the US far more than the EU could now to be honest.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:17 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:Spijed,

I believe it will be even worse than it is now.

I agree. I think without us being in the EU the NHS can't operate without becoming part-private, part-public. There simply are not enough staff and resources in the UK alone to keep it running the way it is.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:18 am

What about the German cars spijed

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:19 am

You only need to look locally at the degrade of the NHS. Of course, there are sensationalised news paper headlines about it, but there's definite decline. It's unsustainable. It will eventually come to a higher tax (a lot higher) or to the insurance ridden healthcare system as the USA have. It will be a shame.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:22 am

claretdom wrote:What about the German cars spijed

Again, it's pie in the sky if the UK thinks it will be able to hold Germany to ransom with regards to trade deals.

And the notion that we will be at the front of the queue with Donald Trump in charge now seems irrelevant as he seems to be following his protectionist agenda.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:23 am

Basically then we are all doomed ?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:26 am

Spijed wrote:I'll be waiting to see all the extra money being given to the NHS once we leave the EU.

For the record, not a single financial expert, MP, MEP, health professional or anyone else who voted to leave has been able to produce a single shred of evidence to support the claim that the NHS will be better off if we leave the EU despite it being plastered on the side of a bus.

The NHS will be in just as bad of a state in two years time.

Spijed- I don't think for one minute you are as thick as you're making out here. The people campaigning for Leave were not part of the government and had or have any say where monies can be spent.

Me or you could have put anything we wanted on the side of a bus and likewise not been able to make it happen. For all we know if you put the leave campaigners in charge of running the country who suggested we could put the 350m a week we save from paying the EU to fund the NHS, they would.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:26 am

claretdom wrote:Basically then we are all doomed ?

Not really, no-one will want to give an inch an compromises will be made all round meaning we are no better off.

Australia, India etc. are now saying they want free movement of employees if we want to deal with them.

So much for controls on immigration eh?

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Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:27 am

Good news for the Uk car industry at least......oh wait

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:28 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:You missed a bit off Sid.

The case was brought by Remain campaigner, former model and self serving smug, millionairess, trying to preserve her entitlement and privilege in spite of how 17.4 million Britons voted in the biggest expression of democracy Britain as seen. Gina Miller!

that bloody self-serving philanthropist, grrrr!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:29 am

Maybe German cars will start to get built here in the U.K to avoid the tariffs? Creating more jobs for us?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:30 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Spijed- I don't think for one minute you are as thick as you're making out here. The people campaigning for Leave were not part of the government and had or have any say where monies can be spent.

Me or you could have put anything we wanted on the side of a bus and likewise not been able to make it happen. For all we know if you put the leave campaigners in charge of running the country who suggested we could put the 350m a week we save from paying the EU to fund the NHS, they would.

But people will really believe that the NHS will be better off if we leave the EU. It was used to win votes.

Likewise, many will have seen the posters, showing lines of immigrants and really believe we can control immigration.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:30 am

For a real example of hissy fit just wait for the front page headlines of the Daily Express and Daily Mail on Wednesday morning.

I suppose Theresa May could always appeal the ruling to the European Court Of Justice?

Oh the irony.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:31 am

When does World War Three start? Is it once we trigger article 50 or once we leave? I just want to make sure I don't miss it. Will Osborne's punishment budget be enacted before the war or after as well?

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:32 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Spijed- I don't think for one minute you are as thick as you're making out here. The people campaigning for Leave were not part of the government and had or have any say where monies can be spent.

Me or you could have put anything we wanted on the side of a bus and likewise not been able to make it happen. For all we know if you put the leave campaigners in charge of running the country who suggested we could put the 350m a week we save from paying the EU to fund the NHS, they would.

you do know half the cabinet were leave campaigners, right?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:32 am

Here's what makes me laugh.

How is it that, apparently, we have now got "our Britain back" and yet, there's a lot of immigrants (well British born from immigrant parents) from 3-4 generations ago, when apparently we had control of our borders.

What do people think we're going to do? You can't just suddenly start stopping illegal immigration (even though we have always tried to stop it) it's just that it's difficult.

Also, immigration is awesome, it gives us all a good, broad perspective of life beyond our little island mentality.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:32 am

Maybe German cars will start to get built here in the U.K to avoid the tariffs? Creating more jobs for us?

In our lifetime?

Seriously doubt that to be honest, we'd have to put some massive tariffs on them to make it worthwhile for them to build them here.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:33 am

I just wish we would hurry up and leave.
England has nothing left to contribute to Europe.
We've proved ourself to be backward and uneducated and not advanced enough to take our place at the big boy's table.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:43 am

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:I just wish we would hurry up and leave.
England has nothing left to contribute to Europe.
We've proved ourself to be backward and uneducated and not advanced enough to take our place at the big boy's table.

It was thiiiissss big................. Honest

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:47 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:You missed a bit off Sid.

The case was brought by Remain campaigner, former model and self serving smug, millionairess, trying to preserve her entitlement and privilege in spite of how 17.4 million Britons voted in the biggest expression of democracy Britain as seen. Gina Miller!

I bet you know absolutely nothing about her except what you've been told by the Daily Mail comments section.

Feel free to explain why you think the is self-serving, or smug, or trying to preserve her entitlement. What entitlement do you even think she's trying to preserve?

I don't expect you to explain your opinion, because I don't think you can, but I live in hope.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:47 am

Fishing with hand held nuclear weapons is taking it a bit too far!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:50 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:You only need to look locally at the degrade of the NHS. Of course, there are sensationalised news paper headlines about it, but there's definite decline. It's unsustainable. It will eventually come to a higher tax (a lot higher) or to the insurance ridden healthcare system as the USA have. It will be a shame.

Imagine having to worry whether you can afford to visit the doctor or not.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:57 am

Spijed wrote:But people will really believe that the NHS will be better off if we leave the EU. It was used to win votes.

Likewise, many will have seen the posters, showing lines of immigrants and really believe we can control immigration.

Brexit gives the opportunity for our government to make decisions that could help the NHS, will they make them is anyones guess?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:57 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Spijed- I don't think for one minute you are as thick as you're making out here. The people campaigning for Leave were not part of the government and had or have any say where monies can be spent.

Me or you could have put anything we wanted on the side of a bus and likewise not been able to make it happen. For all we know if you put the leave campaigners in charge of running the country who suggested we could put the 350m a week we save from paying the EU to fund the NHS, they would.

What you seem to be saying is that it's perfectly OK to break a promise if there is no way you were in a position to keep it in the first place.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:59 am

quoonbeatz wrote:you do know half the cabinet were leave campaigners, right?

So which politicians who were responsible for the bus advert have a say in were the money we save will be spent?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:59 am

quoonbeatz wrote:you do know half the cabinet were leave campaigners, right?

He's using alternative facts.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:00 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:What you seem to be saying is that it's perfectly OK to break a promise if there is no way you were in a position to keep it in the first place.

Was it a promise? Or something we could do?

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:01 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:The case was brought by Remain campaigner, former model and self serving smug, millionairess, trying to preserve her entitlement and privilege in spite of how 17.4 million Britons voted in the biggest expression of democracy Britain as seen. Gina Miller!

Brexit was brought by Leave campaigner, former City trader and self serving smug, millionaire, trying to preserve his entitlement and privilege in spite of how 16.1 million Britons voted in the biggest expression of charlatanry Britain as seen. Nigel Farage!

Fixed that for you.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:05 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Was it a promise? Or something we could do?

So now you're arguing that it wasn't technically a promise? There was a sign about it behind them in one of their speeches that ended "... let's spend it on the NHS". I think that counts as a campaign promise.

Edit: it didn't end that way, here's what it said which is essentially the same.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:06 pm

If Quikenthetempo is going down that route.

Then BOOM!

The referendum is only advisory. Thats all it is.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:06 pm

Brexiters don't care, since winning a vote based on supporting the NHS the NHS has gotten worse and worse, now to the very, very brink of collapse.
If the leave camp had claimed staying would provide more funding for the NHS then blatantly laid it aside I would be campaigning for another referndum based on facts and guarantee not lies and empty promises. The strange thing is, nobody seems to care. People used to care about the NHS but now, as long as we leave Europe it can go to hell.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:08 pm

How has the NHS got worse when we haven't left yet ?

People can't use the "We haven't left yet" when there is good news but then use the fact we are leaving as to why something may not be great currently.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:13 pm

Come off it Dom, you know as well as i do that a low tariff, low welfare country means less money on public services.

And as we are going to have a Tory govt for the foreseeable future, that is where we are heading