Time for a new manager

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:52 pm

It might be your view that SD should but I would guess 95% of Burnley fans do not want that!

Amazing how loud, opinionated and wrong some people like ablue can be....but that's not a surprise.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:55 pm

I think you're probably right LCP and I don't think he will go just that I believe it would be best for him to move on now.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:02 pm

ablueclaret wrote:I think you're probably right LCP and I don't think he will go just that I believe it would be best for him to move on now.

Reading abc and krbfc's posts are akin to giving a toddler a set of bagpipes...it's amusing for a minute or two, but then you wish it would just stop !!!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:03 pm

ablueclaret wrote:OC went before his time Sidney as you well know.

Did he?
He was already looking a bit bereft of plan B's and we will never know if his planned loan signings would've worked out here as well as they did at Bolton.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:04 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Every manager has his time, SC should have gone a year before he did, BL was never right but should have gone at the end of the season. EH again should have gone at the end of the season and for me SD should go now.

Of course those wishing for stability, loyalty, continuity have a very good case, SD it could be said deserves to stay here and see this season through, and certainly he's a good a bet as anyone for getting us out of the Championship for a third time, but for me the project is looking tired, the personnel not quite up to it, sadly the integration of knew talent and energy hasn't happened, we are very much where we were last time.

We now in my opinion need a new manager to give this side the boost of confidence it needs to believe it can compete with the best, not to be constantly told it is struggling against the odds.

SD's methods have been champion but now we need something premier if we are to retain our place at the top table.

I can't imagine any other manager that would get more out of this group of players than SD.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:06 pm

Owen Coyle, no wins in 9 games.

ablueclaret wrote:"OC went before his time Sidney as you well know.

Sean Dyche, no wins in 2 games

ablueclaret wrote: Time for a new manager

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:10 pm

ablueclaret wrote:I think you're probably right LCP and I don't think he will go just that I believe it would be best for him to move on now.

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ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:17 pm

OC had his problems which as you remember I well documented, but he did have a very positive if slightly exaggerated outlook. Yes it's quite possible he would have been found out but the reality is he did better with a much more limited squad.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:22 pm

The problem of course is they are SD's players but I believe there is a much better side to be had particularly if we have proactive use of subs. I thought SD was heading there but the last two matches have shattered that brief hope.

For me fine principles though he has he has just become too conservative and very laboured.
UKIP if you want to but for me we need a liberal demonstration of pro activity and belief.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:26 pm

OC would have seen us relegated with just as much of a wimper as under Brian Laws but without any of the disadvantages. The man hasn't been a failure at every club since then. The idea that we left us too early, with all this hindsight available, is frankly ridiculous.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:30 pm

That's not strictly true, he did reasonably well at Bolton for a while but he never was a master tactician or versed in the modern methods, however he could make players believe in themselves and their abilities.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:46 pm

ablueclaret wrote:OC had his problems which as you remember I well documented

I have just cried into my vodka tasting tray. Priceless.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:52 pm

Wow. Christmas truly has come early for the resident master WUM.

Four pages of catches from ABC's latest fishing trip. He'll truly be trying to separate his penis from his body over this amount of attention.

lovebeingaclaret · Post by **lovebeingaclaret** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:53 pm

I note it's abc's turn on page 4, I assume he will bring back KRBFC for page 5.

He will get confused at cross posting as he has done in the past. Will be funny when that happens.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:01 pm

I thought I was coyote please make your mind up.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:02 pm

You're saving coyote for a late cameo appearance on page 6.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:34 pm

Darthlaw wrote: . He'll truly be trying to separate his penis from his body over this amount of attention.

This has to be the post of the year, beautifully worded, and accurate!

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:54 pm

For someone who attends so many Burnley games, I suppose you have a right to criticise !

Why don't you give us all a rest and come up with your Annual "I'm not posting on here again until there's a New Moon on Uranus"

You are so full of sh*t ABC. Unfortunately, one day, someone will take you seriously.

Why don't you just "do one" and take your new best mate, KBRFC, with you?!

By the way, Merry Christmas !

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:01 pm

Keep your hair on Ralph.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:10 pm

Hendrick Marney Arfield Boyd in midfield not too bad in the Championship.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:19 pm

Still a silly Christmas thread.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:22 pm

ablueclaret wrote:That's not strictly true, he did reasonably well at Bolton for a while but he never was a master tactician or versed in the modern methods, however he could make players believe in themselves and their abilities.

Certainly works for Blackburn. He's made everyone at the club, especially the players, believe they can't defend.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:06 am

ablueclaret wrote:Keep your hair on Ralph.

You come on here with such anti-SD drivel and expect a civil response.

Sean Dyche is the best manager at t'Turf in 2 generations, and he may go on to greater things with us.

Unfortunately, your negativity towards him does no more that prove what a ******* ******* ******* moron you are !!!

In some respects, you are even worse than "Lord Haw-Haw" that is KBRFC !

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:20 am

Winstonswhite wrote:There really are some strange folk out there.

Especially those who randomly make up what was said by the person they're arguing with. Imagine having to put words into my mouth to provide some kind of counter argument

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:26 am

lovebeingaclaret wrote:I note it's abc's turn on page 4, I assume he will bring back KRBFC for page 5.

He will get confused at cross posting as he has done in the past. Will be funny when that happens.

What a stupid comment. Why would I need to post on another account? I have been caught cross posting? or are you talking about ABC? im confused. I have my own opinion and I certainly don't need a 2nd account to preach it, I draw up enough attention and views by myself. People love controversy, I'm here to give the people what they want.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:49 am

KRBFC wrote:What a stupid comment. Why would I need to post on another account? I have been caught cross posting? or are you talking about ABC? im confused. I have my own opinion and I certainly don't need a 2nd account to preach it, I draw up enough attention and views by myself. People love controversy, I'm here to give the people what they want.

That last line

lovebeingaclaret · Post by **lovebeingaclaret** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:34 am

As I said as we approach page five abc is allowing KBBRRCFF an airing.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:43 am

KRBFC wrote:What a stupid comment. Why would I need to post on another account? I have been caught cross posting? or are you talking about ABC? im confused. I have my own opinion and I certainly don't need a 2nd account to preach it, I draw up enough attention and views by myself. People love controversy, I'm here to give the people what they want.

You haven't given me what I want, an answer to my question.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:14 am

Look this is a personal opinion, when you have been involved with football for as long as I have you get a nose for things. Sometimes of course you get it wrong, and I perfectly understand why people get incensed about calling for SD to be moved on, for most on here he is a hero. For me he has been an excellent manager who has sound values a very disciplined and slightly inflexible method but I just feel now is the right time for the club and him to move on.
Yes his methods (framework) do annoy me at times, I don't think he is realising the potential of this squad, particularly given the wonderfully sound base we have in defence.
Yes I find his retreat to a very basic midfield lacking in quality and pace extremely frustrating when other options are available.
For me he could become a great manager if he was prepared to think outside the box, but at present I feel he's firmly putting the lid back on.
Just remember what I think has absolutely no impact on anything at the club if anyone bothered to view it it would be greeted with a large yawn, so it really is of little consequence.
As to having multiple user names, as I have oft repeated I have had three user names since starting to post on here, two of which where banned jfclaret during SC's time and aredclaret during OC's era. Of course there have been multiple other contributors people believe to be me but any close analysis would reveal that's rubbish, people really take me to have more skills than I do.
Anyway as lbac rightly reminded me I was taking a sabbatical so from now until Feb 1st I shall be muted.
Hoping that in the meantime that SD has that epiphany moment and realises that he can use his framework to release more powerful and entertaining forces and bring the joy back to our play even if at times it results in disaster.

Cooperclaret · Post by **Cooperclaret** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:41 am

Result - now take KBRFC with you

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:45 am

Why do posters have to resort to personal abuse, just because they have a differing opinion, surely it makes for a more entertaining messageboard

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:48 am

Thing is if nobody replied this would sink like the festering turd of a thread it is.

Just ignore.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:52 am

Claretmatt4 wrote:Thing is if nobody replied this would sink like the festering turd of a thread it is.

Just ignore.

Irony at its best

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:04 am

Not really. The thread was at the top of the forum when I replied.

John Johnson 1605 · Post by **John Johnson 1605** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:43 am

ablueclaret wrote:Look this is a personal opinion, when you have been involved with football for as long as I have you get a nose for things. Sometimes of course you get it wrong, and I perfectly understand why people get incensed about calling for SD to be moved on, for most on here he is a hero. For me he has been an excellent manager who has sound values a very disciplined and slightly inflexible method but I just feel now is the right time for the club and him to move on.
Yes his methods (framework) do annoy me at times, I don't think he is realising the potential of this squad, particularly given the wonderfully sound base we have in defence.
Yes I find his retreat to a very basic midfield lacking in quality and pace extremely frustrating when other options are available.
For me he could become a great manager if he was prepared to think outside the box, but at present I feel he's firmly putting the lid back on.
Just remember what I think has absolutely no impact on anything at the club if anyone bothered to view it it would be greeted with a large yawn, so it really is of little consequence.
As to having multiple user names, as I have oft repeated I have had three user names since starting to post on here, two of which where banned jfclaret during SC's time and aredclaret during OC's era. Of course there have been multiple other contributors people believe to be me but any close analysis would reveal that's rubbish, people really take me to have more skills than I do.
Anyway as lbac rightly reminded me I was taking a sabbatical so from now until Feb 1st I shall be muted.
Hoping that in the meantime that SD has that epiphany moment and realises that he can use his framework to release more powerful and entertaining forces and bring the joy back to our play even if at times it results in disaster.

So who would your preferences be ?

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:45 am

Delete thread, the title just winds me up

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:53 am

And I thought Ablue was losing his touch.

What do I know?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:59 am

And yet at home we are one of the most successful sides and away at Spurs, we dominated a lot of the 2nd half. The simple task this season is to avoid relegation and make the Europa cup via the Fair Play league. Keep it up SD.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:29 am

Sidney1st wrote:Did he?
He was already looking a bit bereft of plan B's and we will never know if his planned loan signings would've worked out here as well as they did at Bolton.

The old he has no plan B cracker.

Can you name one manager in world football that has and employs a 'plan B'?

Managers get to where they are by absolute stubbornly believing in their type of football, as soon as they show doubt it's the end of the road. Just look how Dyche interviews after a woeful performance still firmly looking into the camera that he has done everything right. Nothing up for negotiation.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:36 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:The old he has no plan B cracker.

Can you name one manager in world football that has and employs a 'plan B'?

Managers get to where they are by absolute stubbornly believing in their type of football, as soon as they show doubt it's the end of the road. Just look how Dyche interviews after a woeful performance still firmly looking into the camera that he has done everything right. Nothing up for negotiation.

Coyle was already on a winless run and didn't look like he'd be able to change it any time soon.

I did also point out we will never know if his loan signings would've been successful here as they were at Bolton, but he didn't have the guts to stay and find out.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:06 pm

As much as I think OC a egregious arse, I've also never bought that 'lack of Plan B' guff. I'm sure that, in the Season we were promoted, we were the team with the most points gained from losing positions in our division. These were usually down to OC changing things about a bit from the bench. Seems he did have a Plan B after all.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:41 pm

Tall Paul wrote:You haven't given me what I want, an answer to my question.

38-40 points the target for survival, 19 home games. 12/13 wins from 19 home games is a tough ask. With the point thrown in from Utd away, we'd be on 37-40 points. Newcastle went down last season with 37. I've no idea how many points we will need but neither does anyone else. We have W5 D1 L3 at home so far, totally unrealistic of us getting 7 wins from the final 10 home games. Especially with Chelsea, Utd, Tottenham still to play at home.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:01 pm

over 3,000 views and nearly 200 posts.

Me and ABC really do know how to get the controversy flowing.

Hapag Lloyd · Post by **Hapag Lloyd** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:15 pm

KRBFC wrote:over 3,000 views and nearly 200 posts.

Me and ABC really do know how to get the controversy flowing.

Stiffy alert

harpers_perm · Post by **harpers_perm** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:06 pm

KRBFC / ABC – I’m just perusing the Millon Clinical Multiaxial Inventory and am intrigued by your general psychopathology specifically your narcissistic attention seeking hysteria.

You’re in good company though as Jacob L Gewirtz states in his ‘Three determinants of attention seeking in young children’ that 45% of adolescents exhibit some form ‘drama queenery’ to gain attention.

Before I make a firmer diagnosis (no need for thanks) can I ask these following questions which will help me establish a more accurate assessment.

1. Do you like portly Albanian men in leather shorts?
2. Have you ever been to Workington?
3. Have you ever been unnaturally ‘excited’ in the presence of an animal?
4. Have you ever appeared as a TV extra on either The Bill or Onedin Line?
5. Do you like Rice, Chips or Rice and Chips?

Merry Christmas both of you, as KRBFC states, you certainly get each other’s juices flowing.

spt_claret · Post by **spt_claret** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:26 pm

Go ahead abc. Send your CV in. You've always got a superior tactical insight to everybody else as to what needs to be done, I fully believe you can be our Ranieri.

Might need to make the trip to the Turf for the interview mind.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:29 pm

harpers_perm wrote:KRBFC / ABC – I’m just perusing the Millon Clinical Multiaxial Inventory and am intrigued by your general psychopathology specifically your narcissistic attention seeking hysteria.

You’re in good company though as Jacob L Gewirtz states in his ‘Three determinants of attention seeking in young children’ that 45% of adolescents exhibit some form ‘drama queenery’ to gain attention.

Before I make a firmer diagnosis (no need for thanks) can I ask these following questions which will help me establish a more accurate assessment.

1. Do you like portly Albanian men in leather shorts?
2. Have you ever been to Workington?
3. Have you ever been unnaturally ‘excited’ in the presence of an animal?
4. Have you ever appeared as a TV extra on either The Bill or Onedin Line?
5. Do you like Rice, Chips or Rice and Chips?

Merry Christmas both of you, as KRBFC states, you certainly get each other’s juices flowing.

I suspect the answers to these questions may be:

1. Almost definitely
2. No, have never traveled out of Lancashire.
3. Yes, horses. KBRFC is from Blackburn, you know.
4. Do you want to meet me to find out?
5. Whichever is better as a holding midfielder.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:58 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:I suspect the answers to these questions may be:

1. Almost definitely
2. No, have never traveled out of Lancashire.
3. Yes, horses. KBRFC is from Blackburn, you know.
4. Do you want to meet me to find out?
5. Whichever is better as a holding midfielder.

I'm from Blackburn? News to me. Tony and many others know my Grandad who has been a Claret for 90 years, if you're so interested in where I'm from why don't you ask Tony, MdWat, Royboy or anyone else on here who knows my grandfather to ask him and report back. Many people make silly assumptions based on my different opinion on certain topics, the answers can easily be obtained if you're so interested. I actually used to take my Grandad to games and help him up the stairs, Mdwat sat on the same row with a girl, He used to have to stand up constantly to allow us past. Yet I'm from Blackburn and never been to a game according to some on here

Gnulty · Post by **Gnulty** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:10 pm

Time for closing this nonsense...?

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:55 am

Sidney1st wrote:Make the case for Tarkowski being a better option then Keane or Mee, it's quite simple

Simple: tarky is better than mee. Stronger, faster, better in the air, better with the ball... Mee has been great for us but when tarky gets some playing time we will see what we have been missing. He will swiftly be sold on, however, and Mee will again have his chance