Kamil Grosicki

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:00 pm

François-Henri Pinault, who is the owner of Stade Rennais, is desperate to get players off the wage bill. Kamil Grosicki is desperate to join Burnley.
He's on 70,000€ per month.
Burnley's bid of 8m€ is still on the table and Rennes are happy to see the deal go through.
This has come straight from the club (Rennes)
Don't shoot me, just what I've been told this morning.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:01 pm

Who pays the security team to protect him from the Russian mafia he may owe a king's ransom to?

JPS71 · Post by **JPS71** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:02 pm

Where does it say this ?

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:04 pm

I couldn't give a **** if he has a gambling problem, or smokes 40 a day. If he can beat a man and keep us up, then let's get him in.

Also if we've just signed another player who bets quite a bit, isn't that double standards?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:07 pm

Does anyone have any proof of these gambling debts? Or is it just hearsay? Maybe someone starting rumours to deflect away from the club failing to spend decent money on a player much needed?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:08 pm

Well we've had enough time to do the due diligence on this one anyway.

MiltonKeynesClaret93 · Post by **MiltonKeynesClaret93** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:15 pm

Less than £15k a week at Rennes supposedly then... decent
I'd love to go in for him again but we'll see I suppose

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:16 pm

I mentioned this on another thread but I seem to remember Mike Garlick commenting on the transfer window and one transfer we pulled out of. I'm sure he mentioned that it was difficult to know the personality of a player in advance of meeting them. I'll try to find the quote.

Edit - Found a quote related to Grosicki though you can read into that what you will.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:18 pm

Mike Garlick quote: “Sean, Dave Baldwin and I decided not to sign a winger from Poland right at the death, due to circumstances that we felt could have been potentially detrimental to the overall team spirit of our playing squad."

Source: http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/sport ... 3.display/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:21 pm

The rumour is that his gambling debt is around 700,000€
Again, nothing to substantiate this.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:25 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Does anyone have any proof of these gambling debts? Or is it just hearsay? Maybe someone starting rumours to deflect away from the club failing to spend decent money on a player much needed?

I don't know about the debts but he does have a long-standing reputation as suffering from a gambling addiction. I seem to remember one comment from a coach along the lines of Grosicki would prefer to be paid in chips.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:27 pm

can't have him and Joey in the same team surely, they'll end up taking the club down to cash convertors when things go t*** up !!

1HappyClaret · Post by **1HappyClaret** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:29 pm

aggi wrote:I don't know about the debts but he does have a long-standing reputation as suffering from a gambling addiction. I seem to remember one comment from a coach along the lines of Grosicki would prefer to be paid in chips.

Could be good news for Park View Chippy then.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:29 pm

There are numerous articles out there...

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:33 pm

[quote="IndigoLake"]Mike Garlick quote: “Sean, Dave Baldwin and I decided not to sign a winger from Poland right at the death, due to circumstances that we felt could have been potentially detrimental to the overall team spirit of our playing squad."

The above could have been said about Joey Barton but SD is the only manager & Burnley are the only club that has got a proper tune out of him. That`s down to our manager and if he can get Joey to tick then I would think he can get this bloke to tick.
Kamil Grosicki, pronounced Grosheet-ski.
https://youtu.be/TDhZwbPI6_E

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:37 pm

bob-the-scutter wrote:

Barton and Grosicki are on different levels in terms of transfer fees! What's more, just because things worked out with Barton, doesn't mean they would with Grosicki. Otherwise they would have signed him, wouldn't they. As it was, they decided against it.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:37 pm

aggi wrote:I don't know about the debts but he does have a long-standing reputation as suffering from a gambling addiction. I seem to remember one comment from a coach along the lines of Grosicki would prefer to be paid in chips.

I`ve known a few fat birds in my youth who I could say the same!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:43 pm

IndigoLake wrote:Barton and Grosicki are on different levels in terms of transfer fees! What's more, just because things worked out with Barton, doesn't mean they would with Grosicki. Otherwise they would have signed him, wouldn't they. As it was, they decided against it.

That's because the players are on different levels.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:47 pm

He has everything we need in a winger, rapid, close control, amazing scoring abillity.

Gascoigne liked a drink, gambling can be treated,

We've just re-signed a player with 1200 odd bets since 2006....

Sign him up!

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:47 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:That's because the players are on different levels.

My point is that it's far less risky signing somebody who doesn't work out on a free than it is spending millions. If you're going to spend what is a large sum (at least for Burnley's level) then we need to be even more sure that the player in question is the right individual for our group. We all know that Dyche values that very much.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:48 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:He has everything we need in a winger, rapid, close control, amazing scoring abillity.

Gascoigne liked a drink, gambling can be treated, sign him up!

What if he wanted us to pay his gambling debts? Should we do that as well?

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:50 pm

IndigoLake wrote:What if he wanted us to pay his gambling debts? Should we do that as well?

No they get paid enough, we ran out of time last time, how about a renegotiation?

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:52 pm

So you're all for this then, IndigoLake....?

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:53 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:No they get paid enough, we ran out of time last time, how about a renegotiation?

Who knows? Maybe there is substance in the rumours. Personally I think the rumours are only because we were close to signing him in the last transfer window. Maybe the situation has since changed. We may even have someone better in mind, fingers crossed!

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:54 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:So you're all for this then, IndigoLake....?

Haha, actually if we signed him then I'd be completely for it. It would mean we'd carried out our due diligence. I'm not debating that he's a good player - he undoubtedly is. Just airing my doubts based on the little information we do have

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:55 pm

He's a player we should certainly be looking at. His work rate is ridiculous and he has both pace and flair. He would fit in the PL very well IMO. Obviously we need to take whatever precautions are deemed necessary in order to protect the club from his gambling addiction, but it shouldn't be a reason to pull out of the deal completely. The guy has the quality to keep us up and if he does then an £8 million outlay is peanuts (can't believe I'm saying that!!).

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:56 pm

I'd take the gamble... (parden the pun).

Got all the right attributes and been impressive whenever I have seen him for Poland.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:58 pm

So we may yet see the headline: "Kamil Toe Pokes the Winner"?

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:01 pm

Quote from this link (translated)...

It's no secret that the greatest professional dream Kamil Grosicki is hit to one of the clubs of the English Premier League. Football player closest to the moving island was half a year ago - "Penny" broke even for a few hours of clustering the Polish national team, flew to England to finalize the transfer on the spot - the case overturned, however, upside down on the final straight. What's the most interesting, the Pole then rebounded from the gates ... Burnley FC .

As reported by English media - exactly the "Daily Mail" - newly promoted Premier League has not forgotten Pole, still watching him, and it is one of the first places on his list of transfer requests.

In the English club a lot going on, leave shall, inter alia Patrick Bamford. Soccer player earns 30,000 pounds a week, and the reduction of expenditure on the maintenance of 23-year-old player is to enable Burnley manager destiny of this money on the salary (or part thereof) for another employee.

The newspaper mentions two players. The main candidates to strengthen the club are Max-Alain Gradel from AFC Bournemouth and just Kamil Grosicki from Stade Rennes . Importantly, Gradel is a player of Grosicki expensive and if you believe the reports in the English press, you have to pay for it at least 9 million. On the other hand, a few months ago Rennes wanted a Pole 8 million euros, but the British did not want to meet these requirements and the transfer did not work out. Perhaps now the representatives of the club with the filthy rich Premier League will be more determination.

Polish football player a few days ago said that there is something on things and maybe this winter he could move to the islands. - Ends the year 2016 - it was a really good year, but I still dream and I hope that in January this dream finally fulfilled - EN - wrote on his Twitter account. "PL" or the Premier League.

This season Grosicki played in 13 Ligue 1 matches, scored four goals and scored three assists.

http://sportowefakty.wp.pl/pilka-nozna/ ... znow-na-ce" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:05 pm

grosicki thought he had an agreement with rennes that his debts would be paid by them but they tried to shift that to us and we said no.

not sure why he thought his club should be paying his personal debts anyway but that was the main reason it broke down.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:07 pm

Barton and Grosicki ? What are the odds ?

exclaret · Post by **exclaret** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:11 pm

I appreciate he has debts (most of us do) and £700,000 (if is the real figure) is only relative to what he earns. Just like somebody with a £4k credit card debt on a £14k salary, say.

Why is the debt such a big issue? Is it simply the underlying gambling issue? Surely his current or new club should just help him with financial management? Just like the rest of us?

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:29 pm

exclaret wrote:I appreciate he has debts (most of us do) and £700,000 (if is the real figure) is only relative to what he earns. Just like somebody with a £4k credit card debt on a £14k salary, say.

Why is the debt such a big issue? Is it simply the underlying gambling issue? Surely his current or new club should just help him with financial management? Just like the rest of us?

Welcome exclaret. (I assume "ex" is short for "extra" or "express" or, better still, "expert").

Two, no three, possible issues with gambling debts:

1.were the bets placed on football games or something else that was "off limits" for a pro footballer?
2.isn't the idea of gambling to win money - how does someone run up £700k debts? at what stage do they understand that they are "not very good" at picking the right bets?
3. as mentioned above, who is the money owed to and are they happy to wait for re-payment?

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quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:31 pm

its mainly from casinos.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:39 pm

Just imagine the abuse on here if Arfield gets played instead of him if he does get signed up

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:46 pm

If this was a goer then there'd be nothing to prevent us offering a large signing on fee to cover his debts whilst offering a significantly reduced wage. The problem being that in 6 months time he could agitate for a move with a higher wage.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:49 pm

If he keeps us up were due another 100m and he can always be sold on, a gamble worth taking in my opinion

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:51 pm

I'm sure there's stranger things that have been included in players contracts and after all it's really not that much money in football terms. It's also a players market when it comes to negotiations. I therefore think it's not so much paying off his debts the club will be concerned about but instead his personality and addiction. If he's willing to get the help he needs and adhere to rules here I see no problem at all. That is of course if he will have a positive effect in the dressing room.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:56 pm

It could be they have heard he is a massive knob personality wise, that would make sense...shame if true

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:09 pm

Can the fa do anything if the players bet against each other?? One way of keeping them both out of the bookies or casinos

Stan Tastic · Post by **Stan Tastic** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:30 pm

Just wondering if Dyche has got the hump with Kamil after the last transfer window.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:57 pm

Update:

Grosicki has pulled out of training today with illness.

Sectors of the French media suggesting he is pushing through his "dream move".

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:59 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:Update:

Grosicki has pulled out of training today with illness.

Sectors of the French media suggesting he is pushing through his "dream move".

Who wouldn't dream of a move to Burnley?

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:09 pm

"Sectors of the French media suggesting he is pushing through his "dream move."

All of his chips from 25 RED to 17 BLACK.

Garnerssoap · Post by **Garnerssoap** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:43 pm

not happening

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:10 pm

He must know that Gala Bingo is so close to The Turf.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:19 pm

Given we withdrew at the last minute last time for what sounded like pretty
serious reasons I would think matters would have to have changed significantly before we might
express interest again.

Unless of course Dyche has indicated to the board that he is still keen
and that the original issues are no longer valid or relevant. For reasons we don't know.
Maybe he has sorted out his gambling problems and debts?

By all accounts he seemed very keen at the time and possibly is still.
Having said that if he still is and we still are we need to get him signed pronto.

Apart from Gradel it doesn't seem as if there is anyone else on the horizon
and, if so, there's certainly nothing come out over the last few days/weeks to suggest we might be looking elsewhere.

If there is any truth that we're still after two wingers then that does suggest Dyche wants to
improve our capabilities on both wings which must mean either or both Arfield and Boyd's positions are under threat.

Not sure what type of players they are and whether if we did get them they could fit into Dyche's
current formation and favoured 4-4-2? He may have to sacrifice something whilst hopefully gaining
other things/skills which Arfield and/or Boyd can't or don't offer.

Dyche does have a dilemma.
How does he accommodate two of our potentially better players? (in general and on the ball).
Those being Tarkowski and Defour who admittedly looks as if he isn't likely to complete a full 90 mins.
whilst Tarks has had very limited game time.
Could Hendrick and Defour make a viable central midfield?
Or do we still need Marney or Barton sat in there just behind or alongside them?
If so that points to a midfield three certainly for some part of the game.
It's pretty unlikely, in my view, that Dyche will not want to start with two up front
be it Barnes and Gray or Vokes and Gray. And possibly just one winger.
That would suggest a 4-3-3 formation.

Going be very interesting to see who we do eventually bring in and how Dyche manages to both integrate
any newcomers and get them settled into the Dyche way relatively quickly.

What is clear is that we may only need to win another 4/5 games from our remaining 18
to keep us up. And it's wins that count in terms of points. 4 wins and a couple of draws may suffice.
Only 3 wins might mean we need to draw 4 or 5 as well.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:24 pm

Looks like he'll even pull a sicki to get his move.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:35 pm

If Grosicki wants the move, and if he has all the qualities attributed to him on this thread, then leaving aside the fact it is extraordinary he's still playing for Rennes at his age, both we and he would be bonkers to allow a 700,000 Euro gambling debt to be a deal breaker. It might at a stretch have been too much to overcome at the very last minute if we didn't know about it before (although as above, his gambling issues have been documented before), but 4 months is plenty of time to broker a solution which doesn't alter the harmony of the squad if all parties are keen. After all, we've just signed another player with gambling issues and a past so that can't in itself be the problem.

That said, it seems to me that if he does have the combination of genuine end-product, goal threat, pace, robustness and determination attributed to him on this thread, then he's almost too good to be true. And you know how that saying goes...

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:53 pm

700,000 not 700