Trump/Russia Dossier

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 01, 2019 8:00 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:left wing groups pressured city counsels to remove the statue, they got their wish, people went out to protest on both sides. It's a pretty simple situation.

And put it in a museum. You implied (probably because you believed the first ignorant dipshit that sold you a narrative you liked) that left wing groups wanted it destroyed.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed May 01, 2019 8:06 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:And put it in a museum. You implied (probably because you believed the first ignorant dipshit that sold you a narrative you liked) that left wing groups wanted it destroyed.

Left wing groups do want it destroyed, its the city councils that wanted it in a museum.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed May 01, 2019 8:13 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Left wing groups do want it destroyed, its the city councils that wanted it in a museum.

The white supremacists were protesting against it being put in a museum. Even if what you say is true about some groups wanting it destroyed, that's not what was going to happen, and that's not what the racists were protesting against.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu May 02, 2019 7:54 am

Interesting point being made that someone doing 60 retweets in an hour is unstable, even more interesting when it is a statement made by someone who lives on the internet talking ******** 24 hours a day.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu May 02, 2019 8:13 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Interesting point being made that someone doing 60 retweets in an hour is unstable, even more interesting when it is a statement made by someone who lives on the internet talking ******** 24 hours a day.

Fantasising about my private life again? Weirdo.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu May 02, 2019 8:15 am

Turtles don't do irony but if they did ......

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu May 02, 2019 8:17 am

Sure we do, but it's just really creepy of you to fantasise as much as you do about another forum user.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu May 02, 2019 8:19 am

If someone made that comment while being obsessed by someone the other side of the world I may think he was a hypocrite

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu May 02, 2019 8:28 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:If someone made that comment while being obsessed by someone the other side of the world I may think he was a hypocrite

I don't talk about Trump's private life.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu May 02, 2019 8:30 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I don't talk about Trump's private life.

Never mentioned Stormy Daniels ? Never mentioned water boarding not even once ? Answer carefully remember you tried claiming you aren't a liar

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu May 02, 2019 8:30 am

Yo, FCBurnley. Remember when you said families aren't or weren't separated by your president?

What do you think about this?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigr ... t-n1000746" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

3,000 families separated and out of that 3,000 they can only reconnect 60 of them. Are you OK with this? Are you happy that this is being done in your name?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu May 02, 2019 8:34 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Never mentioned Stormy Daniels ? Never mentioned water boarding not even once ? Answer carefully remember you tried claiming you aren't a liar

Stormy Daniels stopped being his private life when he decided to pay her off to prevent her from hurting his election campaign. I don't care that he had sex with her, although if he decides to criticise someone else for infidelity i will happily remind people that Trump's not exactly got a clean history of monogamy.

And i don't think you know what waterboarding is.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu May 02, 2019 8:36 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Stormy Daniels stopped being his private life when he decided to pay her off to prevent her from hurting his election campaign. I don't care that he had sex with her, although if he decides to criticise someone else for infidelity i will happily remind people that Trump's not exactly got a clean history of monogamy.

And i don't think you know what waterboarding is.

Apologies for waterboarding auto correct but I take responsibility for my errors you should try it sometime. Thanks though for answering and proving my point.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu May 02, 2019 8:41 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: Thanks though for [...] proving my point.

I did no such thing. But if you can find peace in the delusion that I did then peace be upon you.

Do you support Trump?

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu May 02, 2019 8:43 am

Do I Support Trump ?

Nope I couldn't give a toss about him, he has no impact on my life.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu May 02, 2019 8:55 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Do I Support Trump ?

Nope I couldn't give a toss about him, he has no impact on my life.

So your obsession is just with me. You're not defending him because you agree with his politics, you're just attacking me personally because you don't like that i oppose him - because you don't like me.

That's interesting.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu May 02, 2019 8:58 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:So your obsession is just with me. You're not defending him because you agree with his politics, you're just attacking me personally because you don't like that i oppose him - because you don't like me.

That's interesting.

"you don't like me"

I neither like or dislike, you just amuse with your unhealthy obsessions, and don't be so soft you haven't been attacked.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu May 02, 2019 9:30 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: "you don't like me"

I neither like or dislike, you just amuse with your unhealthy obsessions, and don't be so soft you haven't been attacked.

What is the purpose of publicly suggesting that someone "lives on the internet talking ******** 24 hours a day" if not to either bully them for it being true, or to try to make others think that it is true?

Think about it. You're mocking someone because you think they're doing something unhealthy. You mock them because you think they lead a life that i think we both agree would be one of a deep depression. There was a thread on here a while ago about depression. I wonder if you read that thread and are amused by the posters on there who are suffering depression the same way you like to imagine that I suffer from it.

And lets imagine for a moment you don't think i'm depressed in such a way that i don't really spend 24 hours a day on the internet talking ********, and that you just like to use such depression as a tool of mockery. How are actually depressed people on here supposed to feel when they read your posts and see that you're using something they're suffering with as a tool to mock someone else? How do you feel about yourself knowing now that that's what you're doing?

You probably haven't been doing this deliberately. I think if you had realised for yourself that what you were doing was mocking the suffering of people with depression then you'd have stopped on your own. You just hadn't thought enough about what it is you're actually doing. However it will be interesting to see, now that this has been pointed out to you, if you continue to try to use what use examples of what we surely both agree would be a life of depression as a stick to beat other forum users with. (n.b. I say "users" but i don't recall you trying to mock others in a similar way)

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu May 02, 2019 9:34 am

Some going by you and that is some effort to type that amount of ******** in 1 go.

As for taking into account other peoples feelings why not practice what you preach instead of being a hypocrite when you are calling all and sundry **** or **** or ******

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu May 02, 2019 9:42 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Some going by you and that is some effort to type that amount of ******** in 1 go.

As for taking into account other peoples feelings why not practice what you preach instead of being a hypocrite when you are calling all and sundry **** or **** or ******

You're criticising me for something i almost never do anymore, and didn't do anywhere near as much as was claimed in the first place. go on. If i'm calling "all and sundry" names then find my last 3 examples.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu May 02, 2019 2:06 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... dy-manning

"Trump presented her with the National Teacher of the Year award in the East Room and praised her “incredible devotion”. The US president said: “Teachers like Mandy play a vital role in the wellbeing of our children, the strength of our communities and the success of our nation.”"

So I've read today that Trump has invited Tiger Woods to the Whitehouse, to congratulate him on his Master's win.

Bit of a shocker for a racist to do that don't you think?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu May 02, 2019 2:14 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:So I've read today that Trump has invited Tiger Woods to the Whitehouse, to congratulate him on his Master's win.

Bit of a shocker for a racist to do that don't you think?

Because racists can't have black friends, right?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu May 02, 2019 2:38 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Because racists can't have black friends, right?

If he was such a racist he wouldn't have black friends would he?
Of course he could have some so it doesn't harm his image etc, I'll throw that one in for you.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu May 02, 2019 2:47 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:If he was such a racist he wouldn't have black friends would he?
Of course he could have some so it doesn't harm his image etc, I'll throw that one in for you.

Then i guess no racist has ever had a black friend, until now.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu May 02, 2019 3:00 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Then i guess no racist has ever had a black friend, until now.

If he was such a massive racist then he probably wouldn't.

Of course he's got black friends, but you were kicking up such a stink because he wouldn't congratulate the No1 draft because of his skin colour...

Have fun.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu May 02, 2019 3:04 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:If he was such a massive racist then he probably wouldn't.

Of course he's got black friends, but you were kicking up such a stink because he wouldn't congratulate the No1 draft because of his skin colour...

Have fun.

Actually, i was "kicking up a stink" (translation: mocked him lightly) because of how obvious it was. Trump is a racist whether or not he thanked the #1 NFL pick, there's overwhelming evidence of it. Why it was funny this time is just how obvious it was. Likewise when he defends Nazis and encourages violence. It used to be outrageous that a presidential candidate would do any of that, but now it's just become funny watching people defend it.

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Thu May 02, 2019 8:38 pm

Sir there's nothing in the bucket look ! there must be ! sir there isn't I've double checked I've shown you there's nothing in it 100% ! I'm not prepared to accept it there must be something in it ! .....sir I give up !!!

grapidianclaret · Post by **grapidianclaret** » Fri May 03, 2019 1:40 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:If he was such a racist he wouldn't have black friends would he?
Of course he could have some so it doesn't harm his image etc, I'll throw that one in for you.

Maybe his obsession with golf has overrode his fear of colored people.Just this one time.
Stranger things have happened. Now if tiger wanted to rent a condo from him, it might be a different matter.

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Fri May 03, 2019 7:05 am

Turtle watch the first 20 mins of this (ok it is from Breitbart) but it is chairman Graham who has been very critical of Trump in the past and realise your on the wrong side ..

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... -citation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:55 pm

Trump now admits that he would collude with a foreign country to win in 2020. Does anyone seriously think that's a new position?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:00 pm

The "Prince of Whales"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48622001" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:02 pm

Spijed wrote:The "Prince of Whales"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48622001" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

just hours after he criticised Chris Cuomo for typing "if" instead of "is".

He really is dumb as ****. Not just stupid compared to other presidents, he's stupid compared to other stupid people.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:51 pm

I guess the answer to my question about what we can call them is a resounding "no".

Anyway, this is important.
https://twitter.com/ECMcLaughlin/status ... 7501484033" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:57 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I guess the answer to my question about what we can call them is a resounding "no".

Anyway, this is important.
https://twitter.com/ECMcLaughlin/status ... 7501484033" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's a worrying read but I'm not convinced by your assertion that we can't just dismiss her as a lefty with a sign. If you google someone and the only hits are them promoting themselves then it's not what I'd view as a reliable source.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:59 pm

aggi wrote:It's a worrying read but I'm not convinced by your assertion that we can't just dismiss her as a lefty with a sign. If you google someone and the only hits are them promoting themselves then it's not what I'd view as a reliable source.

You googled a person and expected results other than results about that person?

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:02 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You googled a person and expected results other than results about that person?

I googled a person and expected to see some articles from credible sites written by them or something independent about the company that was set up or some form of validation that this person was a reliable source as you suggest.

Why do you think she is a reliable source? I assume there's more to it than that she's a life coach.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:10 pm

aggi wrote:I googled a person and expected to see some articles from credible sites written by them or something independent about the company that was set up or some form of validation that this person was a reliable source as you suggest.

Why do you think she is a reliable source? I assume there's more to it than that she's a life coach.

Oh for ***** sake. She's the CE ******* O of a company. Not just some randomer on the street with a sign. That's my ******* point. By all means do due diligence about what she says, compare what she says with what is reported in the press and gauge for yourself the credibility of what she's relaying, but my point is you can't just dismiss her as a literally a random person on a street.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:26 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Oh for ***** sake. She's the CE ******* O of a company. Not just some randomer on the street with a sign. That's my ******* point. By all means do due diligence about what she says, compare what she says with what is reported in the press and gauge for yourself the credibility of what she's relaying, but my point is you can't just dismiss her as a literally a random person on a street.

Anyone can be the CEO of their own company, it doesn't make their word any more valid. I assume you wouldn't use the same argument when Alex Jones makes up whatever story, that it's a reliable source as he's the CEO of a company?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:29 pm

aggi wrote:Anyone can be the CEO of their own company, it doesn't make their word any more valid. I assume you wouldn't use the same argument when Alex Jones makes up whatever story, that it's a reliable source as he's the CEO of a company?

I'm aware that anyone can be a CEO of their own company. I'm also aware that being a CEO of your own company means you're much more likely to be a reliable person than literally a random person. Therefore it is harder to dismiss you. How the **** is this not clear already?

Yes, i would use the exact same information and make the exact same ******* point about Alex Jones if all I knew about him was that he was the CEO of a company. But i have more information about him than that, like a long ******* history of conspiracy bullshit that has been repeatedly debunked. What this woman is relaying hasn't been debunked and in fact is supported to some extent by wider media reports.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:37 pm

Are you under the impression that the only reason i find what this woman wrote credible is because she's a CEO? Is that what's happening here?
That's not something I do. I'm suggesting that idiots who automatically dismiss random protesters concerns (often while complaining that they're jobless, i might add) can't do that quite so easily. I'm saying that they're the ones who base options on such weak-as-**** thinking.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:45 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'm aware that anyone can be a CEO of their own company. I'm also aware that being a CEO of your own company means you're much more likely to be a reliable person than literally a random person. Therefore it is harder to dismiss you. How the **** is this not clear already?

Yes, i would use the exact same information and make the exact same ******* point about Alex Jones if all I knew about him was that he was the CEO of a company. But i have more information about him than that, like a long ******* history of conspiracy bullshit that has been repeatedly debunked. Which this woman is relaying hasn't been debunked and in fact is supported to some extent by wider media reports.

Why? I could understand your point if she was running a large company with credibility but she's the CEO of her own company, part of which is labelled Resistance Live and seems to be about trying to change US politics and getting rid of Trump.

Maybe I've dealt with a lot more CEOs in the US than you but they're no more or less truthful than the man in the street.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:52 pm

aggi wrote:Why? I could understand your point if she was running a large company with credibility but she's the CEO of her own company, part of which is labelled Resistance Live and seems to be about trying to change US politics and getting rid of Trump.

Maybe I've dealt with a lot more CEOs in the US than you but they're no more or less truthful than the man in the street.

oh my ******* god, you're still going.

I don't know how to make this more clear to you. IDIOTS WHO WILL DISMISS A RANDOM PROTESTER WILL FIND IT HARDER TO DISMISS A RANDOM BUSINESS WOMAN. Not me. Not you. Idiots and people who will use literally anything to dismiss others' concerns.

Well done though. You managed to drag the discussion away from the concentration camps and to my low opinion of the idiots who will automatically dismiss the words and warnings of anyone based on their prejudice against people like protesters.

You didn't mean it, or maybe you did, but well done anyway.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:14 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:oh my ******* god, you're still going.

I don't know how to make this more clear to you. IDIOTS WHO WILL DISMISS A RANDOM PROTESTER WILL FIND IT HARDER TO DISMISS A RANDOM BUSINESS WOMAN. Not me. Not you. Idiots and people who will use literally anything to dismiss others' concerns.

Well done though. You managed to drag the discussion away from the concentration camps and to my low opinion of the idiots who will automatically dismiss the words and warnings of anyone based on their prejudice against people like protesters.

You didn't mean it, or maybe you did, but well done anyway.

To be fair, so are you.

I see your point now, it's not quite what you were originally saying (where you viewed them as a more reliable person) and I'm not sure if it holds much water when they're the CEO of an obviously left-leaning company and are clearly anti-Trump but I see what you're getting at.

It wasn't my intention to drag the discussion away (I was just curious as to why you seemed to give her account such weight and whether there was something I was missing, it turns out not) but on the other hand she doesn't strike me as a particularly reliable source so I'd struggle to have a view either way before looking into it more.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:36 pm

aggi wrote:To be fair, so are you.

I see your point now, it's not quite what you were originally saying (where you viewed them as a more reliable person) and I'm not sure if it holds much water when they're the CEO of an obviously left-leaning company and are clearly anti-Trump but I see what you're getting at.

It wasn't my intention to drag the discussion away (I was just curious as to why you seemed to give her account such weight and whether there was something I was missing, it turns out not) but on the other hand she doesn't strike me as a particularly reliable source so I'd struggle to have a view either way before looking into it more.

It's fine. It doesn't matter. If it wasn't these posts between you and I then people who want to ignore concentration camps in America, and the move towards secrecy behind them by moving them to military bases, would just find another excuse to ignore it.

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:37 pm

aggi wrote:To be fair, so are you.

I see your point now, it's not quite what you were originally saying (where you viewed them as a more reliable person) and I'm not sure if it holds much water when they're the CEO of an obviously left-leaning company and are clearly anti-Trump but I see what you're getting at.

It wasn't my intention to drag the discussion away (I was just curious as to why you seemed to give her account such weight and whether there was something I was missing, it turns out not) but on the other hand she doesn't strike me as a particularly reliable source so I'd struggle to have a view either way before looking into it more.

Not quite like what was said? More like nothing like. Goalposts moved as soon as it was clear you were right and couldn't be argued against. Result - change the angle of the argument in a weak attempt to save face.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:40 pm

Lol. See?

Cryssys · Post by **Cryssys** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:34 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:So I've read today that Trump has invited Tiger Woods to the Whitehouse, to congratulate him on his Master's win.

Bit of a shocker for a racist to do that don't you think?

Or, as Damo might put it, he's virtue signalling.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:34 pm

For those who were unsure whether or not Trump was racist it's good that he's managed to unequivocally confirm it.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:55 pm

Strategically I guess he's better off having a huge furore over him being a racist that being a child rapist

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:16 pm

I don’t think anyone saw this coming.