Trump/Russia Dossier

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:52 pm

We talk about the 2/3 years trying to stop Brexit as a waste of time and money well it's been eclipsed by the Mueller report and people and amphibians are heart broken ...

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:51 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:We talk about the 2/3 years trying to stop Brexit as a waste of time and money well it's been eclipsed by the Mueller report and people and amphibians are heart broken ...

Some of the meltdowns by the blue tick brigade on twitter are hilarious

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:09 pm

It's hilarious that for two years you people have been criticising me for not knowing what Mueller will find, and here you are getting giddy despite not having a clue what the report says.

It's genuinely baffling to me what it is you're getting excited about.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:18 pm

Trump must be getting ready to fire up the campaign bandwagon for re-election...

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:09 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Trump must be getting ready to fire up the campaign bandwagon for re-election...

4 more years ...nailed on WOOP WOOP

stateofthenation · Post by **stateofthenation** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:53 pm

It’s far from ‘over’.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:31 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Some of the meltdowns by the blue tick brigade on twitter are hilarious

Got any examples? And i mean typical examples, not just you finding the worst example and then pretending that that is representative.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:57 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Got any examples? And i mean typical examples, not just you finding the worst example and then pretending that that is representative.

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/ ... o-n2543584" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Not to mention your bird crying ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:24 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/ ... o-n2543584

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Not to mention your bird crying ^^^^^^^^^^^^

None of those are hysterical, though Eion Morgan seems a bit of an idiot.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:26 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/ ... o-n2543584

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Not to mention your bird crying ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Also,

at the suggestion that Maddow was being emotional. What the actual ****? Did you even watch the clip or are you just taking a tweeters word for it? What about that clip suggests emotion? She laughed, that's about it.

Uwe Noble · Post by **Uwe Noble** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:05 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Also, at the suggestion that Maddow was being emotional. What the actual ****? Did you even watch the clip or are you just taking a tweeters word for it? What about that clip suggests emotion? She laughed, that's about it.

Reduced to defending Rachel Maddow not crying, that's your response to the complete debunking of all your 'Trump is a Russian agent' BS conspiracy theory. You should be utterly embarrassed.

Uwe Noble · Post by **Uwe Noble** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:11 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's hilarious that for two years you people have been criticising me for not knowing what Mueller will find, and here you are getting giddy despite not having a clue what the report says.

It's genuinely baffling to me what it is you're getting excited about.

Yeah, right. The game is up. No more indictments. You must be devastated.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:24 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Rumour has it Trump is partial to a bit of water sports.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/10/polit ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

First, let's address the disinformation that one or two will uncritically parrot. No, this didn't come from a 4chan troll. Someone on 4chan tried to claim that they tricked Buzzfeed into reporting this by giving them this in late October/early-November. That's untrue. The FBI have had this since August. If there are only two reporters in the in America with unimpeachable credentials Carl Bernstein is one of them. If you don't know why then watch All The President's Men.

And yes, while this is a CNN article and CNN are ****, Carl Bernstein has put his name to it in the byline so as a piece of journalism it already has far more credibility than anything else that's been reported about Trump, Clinton, or anything political in the U.S. in a long while.

Here is the document of which, it is claimed, Obama and Trump each receive a two-page synopsis.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... tions.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Edit: To be absolutely clear. While the facts contained within this dossier is under serious doubt - because good journalists have been chasing this story for months and haven't been able to prove any of it, yet - there are currently no reasons to doubt the existence of the dossier, or how and when it came to be in the intelligence community's hands.

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Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:25 pm

Uwe Noble wrote:Yeah, right. The game is up. No more indictments. You must be devastated.

You have no idea how many sealed indictments there are, and you also have no idea how many indictments will come from the investigations Mueller's farmed out that weren't covered by his brief.

I'm satisfied if the report is made public. If there really is absolutely nothing criminal from Trump then fine. But i think we both know that's not true. Why else would he have been so angry and frightened for the last two years?

I will be disappointed that, if there are sealed indictments for Trump, that it would mean Mueller is following DoJ protocol of not indicting a sitting president because i think that protocol should be binned. But that's really the only thing i would have to be disappointed by.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:26 pm

Damo wrote:
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Literally nonsense from you. Why?

Uwe Noble · Post by **Uwe Noble** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:26 pm

Who said this, by the way?
But my bet is that every member of the Trump team that attended a meeting with the purpose of colluding with Russia to acquire information on Clinton will end up indicted. That's Manafort, Trump jr and Kushner. And I can't wait to rub it in your face.
Yes, you guessed it, our resident TDS suffering, Trump-hating conspiracy theorist, Imploding Turtle. Well now, I'M RUBBING YOUR FACE IN IT!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:31 pm

Uwe Noble wrote:Who said this, by the way?
But my bet is that every member of the Trump team that attended a meeting with the purpose of colluding with Russia to acquire information on Clinton will end up indicted. That's Manafort, Trump jr and Kushner. And I can't wait to rub it in your face.
Yes, you guessed it, our resident TDS suffering, Trump-hating conspiracy theorist, Imploding Turtle. Well now, I'M RUBBING YOUR FACE IN IT!

Manafort's going to prison (edit: nay, he's already in prison). And the other two might seriously be in a lot of trouble as a result of various other investigations, and of course any sealed indictments that exist to be unsealed when Trump is kicked out of office.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:34 pm

And by the way, literally nothing from the dossier has been disproven. None of it. And plenty of it has been corroborated.

Uwe Noble · Post by **Uwe Noble** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:49 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:And by the way, literally nothing from the dossier has been disproven. None of it. And plenty of it has been corroborated.

Such as? (Please say Michael Cohen going to Czechoslovakia).

Uwe Noble · Post by **Uwe Noble** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:51 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Manafort's going to prison (edit: nay, he's already in prison). And the other two might seriously be in a lot of trouble as a result of various other investigations, and of course any sealed indictments that exist to be unsealed when Trump is kicked out of office.

The clue is in the thread title ie Trump Russia Dossier.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:55 pm

Uwe Noble wrote:Such as? (Please say Michael Cohen going to Czechoslovakia).

His phone was pinged just outside Prague. Cohen denies going to Prague. That's corroboration of the intelligence (but not proof).

Uwe Noble · Post by **Uwe Noble** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:57 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's hilarious that for two years you people have been criticising me for not knowing what Mueller will find, and here you are getting giddy despite not having a clue what the report says.

It's genuinely baffling to me what it is you're getting excited about.

So why were you predicting indictments for Don jr and Jared. That does not sound like 'not knowing' what Mueller will find. Could it be you're not being straight with us? I really do think you owe this board an apology.

Uwe Noble · Post by **Uwe Noble** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:00 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:His phone was pinged just outside Prague. Cohen denies going to Prague. That's corroboration of the intelligence (but not proof).

You just lost the tiny residual amount of credibility that you might still have had (but only in the eyes of people who are now beginning to feel sorry for you).

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:02 pm

Uwe Noble wrote: You just lost the tiny residual amount of credibility that you might still have had (but only in the eyes of people who are now beginning to feel sorry for you).

Making claims and accusations without backing them up. Standard Alt-Right stuff.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:02 pm

Uwe Noble wrote:So why were you predicting indictments for Don jr and Jared. That does not sound like 'not knowing' what Mueller will find. Could it be you're not being straight with us? I really do think you owe this board an apology.

I still predict indictments for them.

Edit: and/or pardons

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:06 pm

Ongoing Investigations involving Trump. Spinoffs from the Mueller Investigation.

Roger Stone criminal trial
The hush money investigation
Trump’s inauguration funding
Pro-Trump super PAC
Trump Organization insurance policies
Trump Organization real estate deals
The Trump Foundation
Trump’s taxes
Trump’s golf club employing undocumented immigrants

Not to mention the various lawsuits

from: http://time.com/5557644/donald-trump-ot ... s-mueller/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now, of course, being investigated doesn't mean you're guilty. But, seriously...

he's ******.

Uwe Noble · Post by **Uwe Noble** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:12 pm

I need another laugh so please tell me what else in the Russian Dossier has not been disproved?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:14 pm

Uwe Noble wrote:I need another laugh so please tell me what else in the Russian Dossier has not been disproved?

Nothing in it has been disproved. And the way you know this is because you can't cite a single example of something in there being disproved to prove me wrong. Otherwise you would, and i would be forced to concede that point.

Uwe Noble · Post by **Uwe Noble** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:15 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Making claims and accusations without backing them up. Standard Alt-Right stuff.

You obviously have not got a leg to stand on. You've been cornered and you're flailing.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:19 pm

Uwe Noble wrote:You obviously have not got a leg to stand on. You've been cornered and you're flailing.

More projection. Give me one example of something from the dossier being disproven. It's been over two years since it was made public. Surely by now if there's no truth to any of it then there'll be lots of examples. I'm only asking for one.

Uwe Noble · Post by **Uwe Noble** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:21 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Nothing in it has been disproved. And the way you know this is because you can't cite a single example of something in there being disproved to prove me wrong. Otherwise you would, and i would be forced to concede that point.

Michael Cohen (one of your stellar witnesses) has just testified under oath before Congress that he has never been in Czechoslovakia. This was backed up by one of your heroes, Lanny Wadkins, his lawyer. You are clearly out of your depth.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:38 pm

Uwe Noble wrote:Michael Cohen (one of your stellar witnesses) has just testified under oath before Congress that he has never been in Czechoslovakia. This was backed up by one of your heroes, Lanny Wadkins, his lawyer. You are clearly out of your depth.

I've no idea who Lanny Wadkins is so you're clearly lying that he's one of my heroes. That's something the alt-right does a lot about it's enemies. And i do mean 'enemies' because that's how you view people who disagree with you.

Yes, Cohen testified under oath. But that doesn't mean he is to automatically be believed. For example, i don't believe Cohen automatically when he said he committed crimes at the direction of Donald Trump (and I'm willing to bet you don't either). I believe when he can corroborate the things he said.

And stop calling it Czechoslovakia. It's called the Czech Republic, and has been for a long time. If you can't even be bothered to look at an updates map of Europe to check your facts on the identity of the country involved then you have no credibility when it comes to claiming that you are in possession of any other facts at all.

Edit: Look how perfectly this fits with the points made in the "Never Play Defense" video in the Alt-Right Playbook series. Short, quippy and wrong argument, which takes a much longer rebuttal.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:44 pm

"“The Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’”

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:59 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Ongoing Investigations involving Trump. Spinoffs from the Mueller Investigation.

Roger Stone criminal trial
The hush money investigation
Trump’s inauguration funding
Pro-Trump super PAC
Trump Organization insurance policies
Trump Organization real estate deals
The Trump Foundation
Trump’s taxes
Trump’s golf club employing undocumented immigrants

Not to mention the various lawsuits

from: http://time.com/5557644/donald-trump-ot ... s-mueller/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now, of course, being investigated doesn't mean you're guilty. But, seriously... he's ******.

3.2.1 pivot...

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:02 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:"“The Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’”

And that's just Barr's representation of the report. Imagine what the report actually says. And for now we can only imagine because i'm sure Barr won't release it.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:13 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:And that's just Barr's representation of the report. Imagine what the report actually says. And for now we can only imagine because i'm sure Barr won't release it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... FH2W1Gpqtw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Turts, my man, level with me here.

When you see the Indy, writing headlines like this, knowing full well it must hurt them to do so, how does it makes you feel? After investing so much of your time and hopes on it? Honestly, no trolling here, I really want to know.

Uwe Noble · Post by **Uwe Noble** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:15 pm

Keep grasping those straws, boys. It's over!

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:21 pm

A few bits and pieces:

1...Mueller-Dämmerung; ...... CJ Hopkins

https://consentfactory.org/2019/03/21/m ... dammerung/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"... Study the Russiagate believers’ reactions to the Mueller report when it is finally delivered. Observe the bizarre intellectual contortions their minds perform to rationalize their behavior over the last three years. Trust me, it will not be pretty. Cognitive dissonance never is.

Or, who knows, maybe the Russiagate gang will pull a fast one at the eleventh hour, and accuse Robert Mueller of Putinist sympathies (or appearing in that FSB video of Trump’s notorious Moscow pee-party), and appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the special prosecutor. That should get them through to 2020!

"

Comment:

"Great article. It's as if TPTB rubbed their hands in the aftermath of 9/11 and challenged themselves...

"Next time, let's see if we can pull this off with even less evidence and opposing teams!"....."

2..."This is what bothers me the most. Trump is such a pile of rat **** that we could have spent the last 3 years focusing on real issues, engaging new voters, and working towards solid goals.

But instead we exhausted people with overblown Russiagate stories 24/7."

3...stickdog99

"Cheney made countless millions in Halliburton stock options by starting/extending a war/quagmire that killed thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Middle Easterners without so much as facing a single stern question about this from the media. But anti-Trump activists were supposed to believe that it was just a matter of time before Trump was deposed (and replaced with whom?) because of his supposed "collusion" with Russia? How did anyone fall for this?"

4....Jack Riddler

"And here we are. An able autopsy by Taibbi. I wish I could feel Schadenfreude and satisfaction in the I told you so. I did tell you so, starting in 2016. But I don't feel anything good about this. This has been a tragic waste of terrible consequence. Two years of opposition energy have been channeled into Cold War fantasy, legitimation of the bloody empire, and now the vindication of Trump. It never had to be."

It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD ..... Matt Taibbi.

The Iraq war faceplant damaged the reputation of the press. Russiagate just destroyed it

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagat ... -a-million" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

5....W R...

"I really enjoy the spectacle of Russiagate Grifters quadrupling down.

Trump's real estate empire is exposed right now and being attacked on the state level. That's the leverage that will keep him from running again in 2020, which is a pity because he'll be fully demented by then and he would *still* murder most of his opponents in a televised debate, the man is a born bullyshark, naturally gifted.

And once the dust settles, a majority of Democrats will march towards their graves still believing Trump was taken down for colluding with Russia to steal the 2016 Election, a prize that Hillary Clinton left undefended, clearly marked, and lying in the middle of the street in downtown New York."

6....JR

"..capitalist business as usual or imperialist business as usual. Catering to Saudi and Israeli insanity is considered a boon to "national security." It's too real and connected to the system, and to the leadership of the so-called "opposition." The #Russiagate construct was highly preferable, and its effect was to degrade "security" by any credible definition of the term."

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... &start=525" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:21 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... FH2W1Gpqtw

Turts, my man, level with me here.

When you see the Indy, writing headlines like this, knowing full well it must hurt them to do so, how does it makes you feel? After investing so much of your time and hopes on it? Honestly, no trolling here, I really want to know.

You are trolling.

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:24 pm

So do i take it that he won't be gone by Christmas ?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:27 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You are trolling.

I swear I'm not I honestly want insight.

I want to know how it feels to have something you hoped for so bad taken away from you?

Just in case it happens to me with Brexit so I can mentally prepare myself

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:33 pm

If you can't cope with stuff happening that you have no control over then your chances of coping with real loss are zero.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:33 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I swear I'm not I honestly want insight.

I want to know how it feels to have something you hoped for so bad taken away from you?

Just in case it happens to me with Brexit so I can mentally prepare myself

You're always trolling. You literally can't even help it. If you could then you wouldn't have made the troll assumptions you made in asking the question.

You are no longer capable of asking a sincere question in good faith.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that you put effort into it, but you still failed.

Bot to partially answer your question, an Indy headline is not the Mueller Report. Neither is a William Barr statement, which is what the Indy headline is quoting. It's not quoting the Mueller Report.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:35 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:If you can't cope with stuff happening that you have no control over then your chances of coping with real loss are zero.

I've coped with deep loss. I just choose to cope with it with things like humour and insincere upbeat positivity.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:36 pm

Then there you go

Why are you even asking? its not like you've got previous for being a massive troll is it...........oh

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:37 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You're always trolling. You literally can't even help it. If you could then you wouldn't have made the troll assumptions you made in asking the question.

You are no longer capable of asking a sincere question in good faith.

Don't be like that mate, I know i'm a bit of a troll, but seriously here I feel for you.

Just think, when Brexit doesn't happen, you'll be able to give me all the sh!t in the world

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:42 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Don't be like that mate, I know i'm a bit of a troll, but seriously here I feel for you.

Just think, when Brexit doesn't happen, you'll be able to give me all the sh!t in the world

I'm going to be laughing my tits off whether Brexit happens or not.

And I would advise you to stop feeling for me, because there's no reason to.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:43 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Bot to partially answer your question...

In typo veritas...

Svenster · Post by **Svenster** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:11 pm

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:15 pm

stickdog99

"Weird how the fiercest of the Russiagate true believers are by and large the exact same folks who assured us just as fiercely that we had to ignore our political consciences and select Hillary Clinton because she was the only one who could assure us victory over Trump."

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... &start=540" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trump Claims ‘Total Exoneration,’ but Report is Mixed on Obstruction

No collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, Mueller says.

"Mr. Barr’s letter said that Mr. Mueller’s investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to manipulate the 2016 presidential election. He quoted the following takeaway line from the special counsel report: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

Mr. Barr’s letter went on to note that “despite multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign,” the special counsel did not find evidence of “agreement — tacit or express — between the Trump campaign and the Russian government on election interference.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/24/us/p ... dates.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;