Kights
-
- Posts: 8049
- Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:38 pm
- Been Liked: 2415 times
- Has Liked: 2115 times
Kights
Before posting this, I'll get my tin hat.
Looking at the scores on the doors within the Player Ratings, and some of the comments made about him, I suspect that I'll get shot down for what I'm about to post.
Michael Kightly tried as hard as any of our team last night. So why the negativity towards him? (And, I only gave him a 6 as well)
Well, he's not a Messi or a Ronaldo. But, he's not a Payet or a Costa either! He has spent a lot of time during the past few seasons "on the bench" and in the reserves. It would be easy for a player to become disheartened about this. That's not what I saw in Kights last night. He was busting a gut to get to the ball, to run with it and attempt to put his mark on the game. Didn't always come off, but he tried.
A huge part of the problem for him last night was that he was alongside Barton, Defour, Boyd and Hendrick... as good a midfield performance as I've seen for many a moon. He isn't as gifted as those four, but he gave his all.
As a supporter, that's what I want from our players, commitment à la Brian O'Neil or Ralph Coates.
I'd like to see him being given another couple of run outs, even if it is only "from the bench".
Tin hat on, hiding sur la table!
Looking at the scores on the doors within the Player Ratings, and some of the comments made about him, I suspect that I'll get shot down for what I'm about to post.
Michael Kightly tried as hard as any of our team last night. So why the negativity towards him? (And, I only gave him a 6 as well)
Well, he's not a Messi or a Ronaldo. But, he's not a Payet or a Costa either! He has spent a lot of time during the past few seasons "on the bench" and in the reserves. It would be easy for a player to become disheartened about this. That's not what I saw in Kights last night. He was busting a gut to get to the ball, to run with it and attempt to put his mark on the game. Didn't always come off, but he tried.
A huge part of the problem for him last night was that he was alongside Barton, Defour, Boyd and Hendrick... as good a midfield performance as I've seen for many a moon. He isn't as gifted as those four, but he gave his all.
As a supporter, that's what I want from our players, commitment à la Brian O'Neil or Ralph Coates.
I'd like to see him being given another couple of run outs, even if it is only "from the bench".
Tin hat on, hiding sur la table!
This user liked this post: Siddo
-
- Posts: 2978
- Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:33 pm
- Been Liked: 823 times
- Has Liked: 1607 times
- Location: Lincoln
Re: Kights
Some posters need a scapegoat.
It is MK's turn?
It is MK's turn?
-
- Posts: 8049
- Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:38 pm
- Been Liked: 2415 times
- Has Liked: 2115 times
Re: Kights
Very true. Happen just as well we won then or some would be down the chippy trying to set fire to his dogDAVETHEVICAR wrote:Some posters need a scapegoat.
-
- Posts: 2443
- Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:58 pm
- Been Liked: 970 times
- Has Liked: 232 times
Re: Kights
Good post, but you'd be better hiding under the table, non?
-
- Posts: 8049
- Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:38 pm
- Been Liked: 2415 times
- Has Liked: 2115 times
Re: Kights
duncandisorderly wrote:Good post, but you'd be better hiding under the table, non?
OK, en dessous de la table
These 2 users liked this post: duncandisorderly Rowls
Re: Kights
I like him. Direct, always looking to get forward and gives the defenders something to think about even if he isn't the quickest or most skillful.
-
- Posts: 857
- Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:32 pm
- Been Liked: 307 times
- Has Liked: 195 times
Re: Kights
He is still with us because we could not get him off ours hands because we pay him more than what he could get elsewhere ie Ipswich.
Last season he was behind Taylor and Dyer in the pecking order, two players even at their age would still offer more to the the team this season than Kights if they were still under contract.
He does appear to try hard but some of that is that pretending to close down but rarely gets a tackle or header in. Long past his sell by date and hopefully will either be sold or further down the pecking order if we finally get an other signing that can play on the wing this transfer window.
Saying that he did play well against Everton but last night he was by far our weakest player in the team.
Last season he was behind Taylor and Dyer in the pecking order, two players even at their age would still offer more to the the team this season than Kights if they were still under contract.
He does appear to try hard but some of that is that pretending to close down but rarely gets a tackle or header in. Long past his sell by date and hopefully will either be sold or further down the pecking order if we finally get an other signing that can play on the wing this transfer window.
Saying that he did play well against Everton but last night he was by far our weakest player in the team.
-
- Posts: 5744
- Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:52 am
- Been Liked: 1868 times
- Has Liked: 835 times
Re: Kights
As my dad said last night a good servant and always works hard but you'd imagine we'd be looking to offload him this month if we land our targets.
Re: Kights
He is definitely no longer a premier league standard player.
However he appears to buy into the Dyche way, even when that means he is not playing.
He is ok and I agree with Dyche about where he is in the pecking order. (By my reckoning he is 6th choice wide player given we would play JBG, Boyd, Arfield, Defour or Hendrick out wide before him.) It may be even further down the order but the youngsters we have in that position are cup-tied.
The fact that he played yesterday shows that we are light in midfield at present.
That a player of that quality is 6th choice shows how far our squad has come.
However he appears to buy into the Dyche way, even when that means he is not playing.
He is ok and I agree with Dyche about where he is in the pecking order. (By my reckoning he is 6th choice wide player given we would play JBG, Boyd, Arfield, Defour or Hendrick out wide before him.) It may be even further down the order but the youngsters we have in that position are cup-tied.
The fact that he played yesterday shows that we are light in midfield at present.
That a player of that quality is 6th choice shows how far our squad has come.
-
- Posts: 30273
- Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:00 am
- Been Liked: 10916 times
- Has Liked: 5594 times
- Location: clue is in the title
Re: Kights
as Dyche always says, running hard and maximum effort are the minimum requirements. He was outstanding away at Stoke in our last PL campaign but other than that he hasn't done much. 100% needs replacing for me (not Mee!)
-
- Posts: 1161
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:59 am
- Been Liked: 264 times
- Has Liked: 3596 times
- Location: North Yorkshire
Re: Kights
I thought he did ok last night. He showed a lot of the qualities Dyche values highly and whilst he looked a little rusty that's only to be expected with so little first team action for him recently.
-
- Posts: 5841
- Joined: Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:39 pm
- Been Liked: 1678 times
- Has Liked: 2513 times
- Location: Rawtenstall
Re: Kights
' I thought he did ok last night's
One very good ' lay off' for Vokes in the 2nd half from which Sam should have done better. Other than that, no contribution at all. He has served us well,especially the first promotion season, but there is no room for sentiment in modern football and a move away,I suspect, would suit all parties.
One very good ' lay off' for Vokes in the 2nd half from which Sam should have done better. Other than that, no contribution at all. He has served us well,especially the first promotion season, but there is no room for sentiment in modern football and a move away,I suspect, would suit all parties.
-
- Posts: 67422
- Joined: Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:07 pm
- Been Liked: 32237 times
- Has Liked: 5253 times
- Location: Burnley
- Contact:
Re: Kights
I'm sure he'll move on either this window or at the end of the season when his contract runs down, but I didn't get the criticism of him at all last night and to suggest he made no contribution other than one pass is just not the case. And he still gets us up the pitch better than some of our other wide players.
But as said, there always has to be a scapegoat. Incredibly, a few weeks ago, there were negative threads about Jeff Hendrick. Now that did take some believing.
But as said, there always has to be a scapegoat. Incredibly, a few weeks ago, there were negative threads about Jeff Hendrick. Now that did take some believing.
This user liked this post: simonclaret
-
- Posts: 763
- Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:36 pm
- Been Liked: 151 times
- Has Liked: 473 times
- Location: Willowdale
Re: Kights
Doubt he will be here next season,along with Boyd.
Re: Kights
I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt because and only because, as a right footed 'winger' you really don't want to be playing on the left.
Apart from that he was rubbish last night
Apart from that he was rubbish last night
-
- Posts: 7235
- Joined: Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:45 pm
- Been Liked: 2194 times
- Has Liked: 2175 times
Re: Kights
I haven't seen anything from him to suggest he shouldn't be the first name on the team sheet.
Re: Kights
You've only had 974 posts fidel by my reckoning 70 of the last 74 are the same thing!!!
Re: Kights
He played well, and by that I mean he contributed, from about March onwards in our first promotion season with Dyche. He had a good game away at Stoke in the PL two years ago. I genuinely struggle to see what else he's done. He barely played last season and it's the same this season. For me he wants too much time on the ball and is a bit of a show pony - looks the part but never actually does anything of worth. Hopefully he'll move on. I've nothing against the guy, he's been part of a great era for our club, i just think he's a spent force.
-
- Posts: 1429
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:33 pm
- Been Liked: 597 times
- Has Liked: 541 times
- Location: bonlah
Re: Kights
You shouldn't need a tin hat for having an opinion,that's what forums are for.RalphCoatesComb wrote:Before posting this, I'll get my tin hat.
Looking at the scores on the doors within the Player Ratings, and some of the comments made about him, I suspect that I'll get shot down for what I'm about to post.
Michael Kightly tried as hard as any of our team last night. So why the negativity towards him? (And, I only gave him a 6 as well)
Well, he's not a Messi or a Ronaldo. But, he's not a Payet or a Costa either! He has spent a lot of time during the past few seasons "on the bench" and in the reserves. It would be easy for a player to become disheartened about this. That's not what I saw in Kights last night. He was busting a gut to get to the ball, to run with it and attempt to put his mark on the game. Didn't always come off, but he tried.
A huge part of the problem for him last night was that he was alongside Barton, Defour, Boyd and Hendrick... as good a midfield performance as I've seen for many a moon. He isn't as gifted as those four, but he gave his all.
As a supporter, that's what I want from our players, commitment à la Brian O'Neil or Ralph Coates.
I'd like to see him being given another couple of run outs, even if it is only "from the bench".
Tin hat on, hiding sur la table!
As for Kightly,last night he was given a chance to show what he could do against a poor sunderland team. He wasn't bad,but he did no where near enough to earn a place in the team.
I won't slate him it's not my style,but when you get a start you have to give the manager a selection headache by playing well,and by the scores given to him it's probably a fair reflection of how he played last night.
-
- Posts: 291
- Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:15 pm
- Been Liked: 83 times
- Has Liked: 19 times
Re: Kights
Never understand this type of lazy response, and you see it a lot on here. It gets trotted out normally by folk who say that you shouldn't criticize players for your team or want to make themselves look like they are a "better" fan than you.DAVETHEVICAR wrote:Some posters need a scapegoat.
It is MK's turn?
Believe it or not, there are footballers who having varying degrees of ability. Crazy right? There are players that are international players and those that are not good enough to play at that level, There are players who play in the Premier League and League 2, and then there are players that play for the same team that are not as good as their counterparts.
Now, consider this. This is insane i know but try to stick with it. There are players at Burnley FC, just like any other football club in the world that might not just be at the same technical level as some of their team mates.
Sometimes, it can be markedly obvious when this is so. Rather than "scapegoating", some folk express a desire to replace this player with a player who they deem to be of superior technical ability.
It would appear that we were supposedly acquiescent to allowing him to leave so there may be those in the club that have grasped this undoubtedly baffling concept.
Re: Kights
I thought he was our best biggest attacking threat in the early part of last season, before Gray got going.northeastclaret wrote:He is still with us because we could not get him off ours hands because we pay him more than what he could get elsewhere ie Ipswich.
Last season he was behind Taylor and Dyer in the pecking order, two players even at their age would still offer more to the the team this season than Kights if they were still under contract.
He does appear to try hard but some of that is that pretending to close down but rarely gets a tackle or header in. Long past his sell by date and hopefully will either be sold or further down the pecking order if we finally get an other signing that can play on the wing this transfer window.
Saying that he did play well against Everton but last night he was by far our weakest player in the team.
-
- Posts: 2240
- Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:55 pm
- Been Liked: 498 times
- Has Liked: 992 times
Re: Kights
And there are those who want to be supportive of all players wearing our Claret + Blue including our squad players who are no longer starters. Those who look for the positives rather than the negatives. Let the manager decide who leaves and who stays, but while they are here lets be positive and supportive to all. Let's pretend we are doing and saying what might help to get the best out of all of our players. We are in this together. All for one and one for all.
This user liked this post: RalphCoatesComb
Re: Kights
Probably because he's not very good and didn't play very well. Nowt against Kightly but we outgrew him some time ago and I don't really understand why he's still here. Assuming we sign a winger in the window, he'll be behind them, JBG, Boyd and Arfield. Most weeks he won't be anywhere near the 18.
Re: Kights
I like Kightly but think we may have seen the best of him and now need to upgrade. Think he may have left already but for the wages he is on. Didn't give the manager a selection problem last night. Overall has played his part for our club.
Re: Kights
I wasn't there last night and so can't comment on his performance. It baffles me though that someone is classed as being a scapegoat or not supported because of comments on their performance or worth to the team on a messageboard.Darnhill Claret wrote:And there are those who want to be supportive of all players wearing our Claret + Blue including our squad players who are no longer starters. Those who look for the positives rather than the negatives. Let the manager decide who leaves and who stays, but while they are here lets be positive and supportive to all. Let's pretend we are doing and saying what might help to get the best out of all of our players. We are in this together. All for one and one for all.
I'd bet not one of those with a "negative" (expressing an opinion in my eyes) comment about Kightly on this thread was doing anything other than support both him and the team last night.
Should we want better and look to upgrade on Kightly - 100% we should. I'm not even sure anyone was looking for a scapegoat - we won after all - let's not confuse the clear difference between comments on a messageboard and a lack of support for one of our players. Two entirely different things.
These 3 users liked this post: bartons baggage northeastclaret ShabbaRanks
-
- Posts: 10318
- Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:45 pm
- Been Liked: 2636 times
- Has Liked: 2798 times
Re: Kights
For what it's worth, I've always rated kightly but last night he wasn't at his best. Maybe a little ring rusty?..
This user liked this post: RalphCoatesComb