Trumps Wall

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:22 am

'' A big day for national security..... among other things we will build the wall'' - surely it'll take longer than a day..

In fact it will probably take longer than 4 years to build a 2000 mile wall in hostile areas - so what happens in 4 years time when they get a new president (assuming he doesn't get assassinated before then). Will the new president have to continue with the wall ?

Just to give you a comparison, it took 2000 years to build the Great Wall of China - however this is 3700 miles long.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:24 am

Better off getting our own house in order, before worrying what others are up to

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:25 am

I'm not worrying, just having a long hard think about it on my way to work this morning.

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:29 am

Sorry if I am being a bit pedantic but isn't it more likely to be a fence.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:30 am

Corky wrote:Sorry if I am being a bit pedantic but isn't it more likely to be a fence.

No, no. He promised a wall and he wouldn't lie.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:39 am

Corky wrote:Sorry if I am being a bit pedantic but isn't it more likely to be a fence.

On a technical point, is it possible to build a wall out of wood or a fence out of bricks?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:41 am

I suppose in the olden days when they built the first forts/castles out of wood they called them walls and not fences.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:43 am

The great fence of China sounds a bit rubbish

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:43 am

They already have a fence, and that doesn't work

Croydon Claret · Post by **Croydon Claret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:52 am

He only went to the Olympics to check how good the Mexican pole vaulters were

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:52 am

I suppose given that it is a vanity project by the Donald it is more likely to be a golden wall (gold leaf) with flashing adverts for Trump Towers etc.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:13 am

I don't really understand what the problem is with this. Like someone said, there's already a fence there. So he's promising to upgrade that to a wall? Big deal!

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:15 am

Is it only me who sees some irony in the commander in chief tweeting information about national security.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:21 am

Darthlaw wrote:Is it only me who sees some irony in the commander in chief tweeting information about national security.

Does anybody read them!

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:38 am

Maybe they could get the guys from Auf Wiedersen to build it,would like to see Jimmy Nail square up to Donald,when the tea break overruns

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:39 am

I thought we were just having a bit of fun on a footy message board. I didn't think this was going to appear in Hansards.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:40 am

Maybe he can afford to donate a few bricks for the Calais end of the Channel Tunnel.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:44 am

I'm sitting on the fence on this issue.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:09 am

Winstonswhite wrote:I don't really understand what the problem is with this. Like someone said, there's already a fence there. So he's promising to upgrade that to a wall? Big deal!

Also, according to twitter, Hillary and Obama voted in favour of this

International class · Post by **International class** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:18 am

Trump walks the walk unlike most politicians who in general don't fulfil their election manifesto.

Can't knock him for that.

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:20 am

Steve1956 wrote:Maybe they could get the guys from Auf Wiedersen to build it,would like to see Jimmy Nail square up to Donald,when the tea break overruns

It'll be just Oz, Barry and Neville. Not sure if Moxys still around....

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:22 am

Why would anybody want to live in a country ruled by Donald Trump?

The wall is probably being built to stop those currently there from leaving.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:50 am

Think there is method in his madness. He promised to put America back to work, building the wall will employ a LOT of construction workers and labourers. It also tied in to a very real problem of gang culture and drug traffic jumping over the border from South and Central America, which there is little doubt they do. So kills two birds with one stone and delivers an election promise.

One thing he does need to be aware of though is that internal investment in the economy only last as long as it can be financed. In reality it is not going to generate any income only redistribute what they already have.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:05 am

Interesting, like a New Deal for the 2010s?

Thing is, the Hoover Dam and the TWA would have (and continue to have) massive economic benefits for the US.

Building a wall is just a wall. And even a bit of history reading about both the Great Wall and Hadrians Wall tells you that they don't stop incursions of the size that he's aiming at.

Now if the Mexicans decide to invade (and drop about three thousand years of technology), then its a winner!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:23 am

I found this brilliant insight on Reddit this morning after Trump threatened Chicago with martial law:

"The irony is bittersweet. For the past eight years, the wingnuts which include Glen Beck, Sean Hanity and Alex Jones propelled the idea that Obama would unleash heavy-handed Federal agents against citizens, they said the President was an anti-capitalist, even Marxists and said that they feared the President would pick economic winners and losers and his policies would grind the economy into the ground. A Congressman even had audacity of calling Obama a liar during his first State of the Union speech. They said he was not a true Christian and was faking his faith. They said he'd sully the good name of the United States and do irreparable damage to our image abroad. Obama did none of these things. All the signs point to this President doing/being all of these and now they are in compete denial."

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comme ... t/dcvehv3/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

KeighleyClaret · Post by **KeighleyClaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:28 am

The problem is not securing the physical boundary - its preventing people getting through official border posts.

KeighleyClaret · Post by **KeighleyClaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:31 am

About 16 years ago we travelled into the USA from Canada overland via Rooseville Montana. My 8 year old daughter had to stand in front of the border agent while she was compared with a picture of Osama Bin Laden, to ensure he was not trying to enter though the largest unguarded border in the world disguised as a small white girl. It didn't leave me with much confidence in the intellectual capabilities of the border service.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:58 am

It will become a tourist attraction when he starts building it and could bring massive amounts of money into the towns where it is.

I presume it would be a packed up stone retaining wall so should be pretty quick getting built with stacker trucks and cranes rather than trowels.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:31 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I found this brilliant insight on Reddit this morning after Trump threatened Chicago with martial law:

"The irony is bittersweet. For the past eight years, the wingnuts which include Glen Beck, Sean Hanity and Alex Jones propelled the idea that Obama would unleash heavy-handed Federal agents against citizens, they said the President was an anti-capitalist, even Marxists and said that they feared the President would pick economic winners and losers and his policies would grind the economy into the ground. A Congressman even had audacity of calling Obama a liar during his first State of the Union speech. They said he was not a true Christian and was faking his faith. They said he'd sully the good name of the United States and do irreparable damage to our image abroad. Obama did none of these things. All the signs point to this President doing/being all of these and now they are in compete denial."

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comme ... t/dcvehv3/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Serious question here for IT.

You seem to post quite a lot on here using links from various other websites, forums, chat rooms etc so you must spend a lot of time on the internet. So my question is - Do you consider posting on a football forum as some sort of exercise? Is it your way of working out?

Just asking.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:32 pm

And we all know who will be watching over it.

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FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:30 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I found this brilliant insight on Reddit this morning after Trump threatened Chicago with martial law:

"The irony is bittersweet. For the past eight years, the wingnuts which include Glen Beck, Sean Hanity and Alex Jones propelled the idea that Obama would unleash heavy-handed Federal agents against citizens, they said the President was an anti-capitalist, even Marxists and said that they feared the President would pick economic winners and losers and his policies would grind the economy into the ground. A Congressman even had audacity of calling Obama a liar during his first State of the Union speech. They said he was not a true Christian and was faking his faith. They said he'd sully the good name of the United States and do irreparable damage to our image abroad. Obama did none of these things. All the signs point to this President doing/being all of these and now they are in compete denial."

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comme ... t/dcvehv3/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You omitted to refer to the $221,000,000 which Obama secretly transferred to Palestine minutes before his presidency expired. That should kick things off nicely in the middle east but hey Barack Hussein Obama is on Necker Island so no problem for him I guess.

Autobahn · Post by **Autobahn** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:43 pm

This post is a little off topic and i didn't want to drag up an old thread or create a new one with it, but this video of bad lip reading at Trumps inauguration is brilliant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gneBUA39mnI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:43 pm

Military doctrine is that obsatcles must be covered by defensive fire.
A wall or a fence is no good if most of the incursions are underneath or miles from civilisation.

It's a proper Red Herring.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:12 pm

FCBurnley wrote:You omitted to refer to the $221,000,000 which Obama secretly transferred to Palestine minutes before his presidency expired. That should kick things off nicely in the middle east but hey Barack Hussein Obama is on Necker Island so no problem for him I guess.

You mean the $221,000,000 in aid which the last Republican congress approved?

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:12 pm

FCBurnley wrote:You omitted to refer to the $221,000,000 which Obama secretly transferred to Palestine minutes before his presidency expired. That should kick things off nicely in the middle east but hey Barack Hussein Obama is on Necker Island so no problem for him I guess.

Wasn't a secret, Republican senate voted it through.
Israel is receiving $38 billion.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:28 pm

Dom wrote:Wasn't a secret, Republican senate voted it through.
Israel is receiving $38 billion.

No wonder USA is so much in debt ! The Palestine payment had been blocked by the house. Still if it makes Hussein feel better then thats ok.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:28 pm

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:34 pm

FCBurnley wrote:No wonder USA is so much in debt ! The Palestine payment had been blocked by the house. Still if it makes Hussein feel better then thats ok.

It wasn't blocked by the house. Obama was under no obligation to abide by the "block" that anyone in congress placed on it. He did so only as courtesy, as is typical for such holds.

http://www.snopes.com/2017/01/24/obama- ... estinians/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://uk.businessinsider.com/report-ob ... ?r=US&IR=T" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"At least two GOP lawmakers had placed holds on the Palestinian funds. Congressional holds are generally respected by the executive branch but are not legally binding."

Maybe if you stopped getting your news from the liked of breitbart then you wouldn't keep embarrassing yourself so much. But then again, it is the news source of choice for racists.

And when are you going to answer my question with regards to how you feel Trump's draining of the swamp is going? What is it now, 6 goldman sachs appointees to his administration? Or has he added a few more in the last week?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:44 pm

Chobulous wrote:Serious question here for IT.

You seem to post quite a lot on here using links from various other websites, forums, chat rooms etc so you must spend a lot of time on the internet. So my question is - Do you consider posting on a football forum as some sort of exercise? Is it your way of working out?

Just asking.

So you were lying when you said "serious question".

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:37 pm

It ganna be a boom time for yanki brickies

whereeaglesfly · Post by **whereeaglesfly** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:55 pm

Its a pity we can't build a wall around Trump , although containing his ego could pose a major construction problem.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:08 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I suppose in the olden days when they built the first forts/castles out of wood they called them walls and not fences.

Sid, think what you are referring to is a palisade.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:12 pm

The loon has just claimed that Mexico will be paying for the wall again.

He's f**king, totally, utterly mental.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:16 pm

'About 16 years ago we travelled into the USA from Canada overland via Rooseville Montana. My 8 year old daughter had to stand in front of the border agent while she was compared with a picture of Osama Bin Laden, to ensure he was not trying to enter though the largest unguarded border in the world disguised as a small white girl. It didn't leave me with much confidence in the intellectual capabilities of the border service.'

I believe Bin Laden was 6' 4" tall.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:02 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:The loon has just claimed that Mexico will be paying for the wall again.

He's f**king, totally, utterly mental.

It's getting funnier and funnier.

He's saying that there'll be a major investigation into the 3-5 million illegal votes cast in the election, illegal votes that only he is aware of.

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:10 pm

In fairness to the Donald who wouldn't build a big fence if Mexico were your closest neighbour ?

Anyone with any experience of work or business in Mexico
knows that doing business there makes dealing with Russians seem like a game of village cricket . They ain't a bad people, and tough as teak but Lordy is their country a dangerous mess.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:12 pm

Build your wall fella...

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:19 pm

lakesclaret wrote:In fairness to the Donald who wouldn't build a big fence if Mexico were your closest neighbour ?

Anyone with any experience of work or business in Mexico
knows that doing business there makes dealing with Russians seem like a game of village cricket . They ain't a bad people, and tough as teak but Lordy is their country a dangerous mess.

The wall isn't the issue. It's his insistance that somehow he's going to force Mexico to pay for it.

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:26 pm

I think it's bluster IT , they won't pay so it will be some toned down job, probs end up as with a discount mall, taco bells and border pharmacys

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:53 pm

Don't think it will be bluster at all Lakes. I think I'd be more surprised to find that Mexico wasn't propped up by the US and didn't at the end of the day have to do as they are told.