Snodgrass

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:10 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:As far as we know Barton doesn't owe money to people does he? Presume you'd be happy with us underwriting any other debts our squad has?

No, I wouldn't. Different because they are already employees of the club.

I am talking about signing a new player.

I have confused the issue by referring to Barton - see #440.

The comparison with buying a house for player to persuade him to ign is completely valid in my opinion.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:11 am

3putt wrote:So shouldn't the famous footballer that I referred to in the sixties been told to go and buy his own house like everybody else?

But he won't be the first footballer to have a house provided for him. Colne Dynamoes provided houses and cars for the ex pro's they signed. Amateur cricket teams provide houses for professionals. Totally different to agreeing to paying off a gambling debt which is hardly likely to be owed to a reputable betting firm.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:18 am

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Meltdown time on here. West ham have bid more than us

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:28 am

He'll go to West Ham & Brady will go to Palace

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:34 am

Game over then. Bring on Brady!!

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:40 am

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:He'll go to West Ham & Brady will go to Palace

I'd go along with that. I certainly don't think either will be coming here, that's for sure, so I just hope we're going for players that are under the radar and we don't know anything about.

Slurpy · Post by **Slurpy** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:40 am

Karren Brady will stay at West Ham

jtv · Post by **jtv** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:44 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:As far as we know Barton doesn't owe money to people does he? Presume you'd be happy with us underwriting any other debts our squad has?

Apologies if my post inferred that Barton owes money to people - edited now. My point was that we should not create a dangerous precedent by paying off a target's gambling debts. Again apologies, especially to Joey!

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:45 am

Slurpy wrote:Karren Brady will stay at West Ham

One r or two?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:47 am

dpinsussex wrote:http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38755703

Meltdown time on here. West ham have bid more than us

Why on earth would they bid more? Unless Hull would prefer to sell to us, I suppose but don't know why that would be the case.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:48 am

Tall Paul wrote:Why on earth would they bid more? Unless Hull would prefer to sell to us, I suppose but don't know why that would be the case.

Won't Snodgrass receive a higher signing on fee, if West Ham have a higher bid accepted?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:48 am

Tall Paul wrote:Why on earth would they bid more? Unless Hull would prefer to sell to us, I suppose but don't know why that would be the case.

Does seem to be throwing money away when all they'd have to do is match us.

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:52 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:But he won't be the first footballer to have a house provided for him. Colne Dynamoes provided houses and cars for the ex pro's they signed. Amateur cricket teams provide houses for professionals. Totally different to agreeing to paying off a gambling debt which is hardly likely to be owed to a reputable betting firm.

Yes I know, as I have already said, there will of been huge numbers of deals done over the years and they wont all be houses and cars.

No idea whether the debt is owed to reputable betting firms or not. Willie Thorne got himself into huge financial debt with reputable firms praying on his weakness.

Again as I said previously we wouldn't need to deal with the firms directly.

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but I don't think there is any disputing that he is a very talented player gambling debt addiction or not, who would certainly strengthen our team.

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:55 am

3putt wrote:Yes I know, as I have already said, there will of been huge numbers of deals done over the years and they wont all be houses and cars.

No idea whether the debt is owed to reputable betting firms or not. Willie Thorne got himself into huge financial debt with reputable firms praying on his weakness.

Again as I said previously we wouldn't need to deal with the firms directly.

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but I don't think there is any disputing that he is a very talented player gambling debt addiction or not, who would certainly strengthen our team.

Didn't Gazza ask for a sunbed for his sister......

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:55 am

Does this Snodgrass situation not remind Burnley supporters of the Ings/Trippier/Spurs situation.
I think there's something going on in the background to this. Hull want a minimum of 10 million quid for Snodgrass, that is obvious (West Ham stalling at 6 million now have seen a bid accepted of 10 million quid which they have to match). Meanwhile I've seen on the tinterweb regarding overnight one or two articles suggesting how Robertson would be a good fit for Burnley.

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:58 am

What do you mean by something going on in the background?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:58 am

FactualFrank wrote:Won't Snodgrass receive a higher signing on fee, if West Ham have a higher bid accepted?

I doubt it. Isn't that part of the negotiations between the buying club and the player?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:59 am

In the end, it is player choice and the experience and joy of playing in a great group, versus playing for a less together bunch of 'world' players.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:08 am

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Grimsby Claret · Post by **Grimsby Claret** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:08 am

How rude of West Ham.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:18 am

Hull don't have to accept the same offer from a different club. It's quite likely that Hull would rather sell Snodgrass to Burnley but have held out for a higher sum from West Ham. We've had a bid accepted that is by all accounts lower than West Hams, so on that basis the board should be congratulated and I can't see any reason for a 'meltdown'.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:20 am

Rileybobs wrote:Hull don't have to accept the same offer from a different club. It's quite likely that Hull would rather sell Snodgrass to Burnley but have held out for a higher sum from West Ham.

What makes you think that it's likely Hull would prefer to sell to us?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:24 am

Tall Paul wrote:What makes you think that it's likely Hull would prefer to sell to us?

Reports that West Ham had to bid more than us to have their offer accepted.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:26 am

Rileybobs wrote:Reports that West Ham had to bid more than us to have their offer accepted.

Hull wanted more from West Ham because they'd prefer to sell to Burnley.

Hull would prefer to sell to Burnley because they wanted more from West Ham.

Isn't that a circular argument?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:31 am

Rileybobs wrote:Reports that West Ham had to bid more than us to have their offer accepted.

That could mean they knew Snodgrass would accept the move to Burnley and so it made sense to ask more from a second club making a bid.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:33 am

Tall Paul wrote:Hull wanted more from West Ham because they'd prefer to sell to Burnley.

Hull would prefer to sell to Burnley because they wanted more from West Ham.

Isn't that a circular argument?

Not sure I follow. If Hull, for whatever reason, would rather do business with Burnley, they may well have told West Ham that in order to have an offer accepted they will need to make it larger than Burnley's.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:44 am

Rileybobs wrote:Not sure I follow. If Hull, for whatever reason, would rather do business with Burnley, they may well have told West Ham that in order to have an offer accepted they will need to make it larger than Burnley's.

Or conversely they could simply not accept any offer from West Ham whatsoever.

Mala591 · Post by **Mala591** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:47 am

If it takes another 2 million to get him then I think we should go up to 12 million. Above that is just too much.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:50 am

Braindead wrote:Or conversely they could simply not accept any offer from West Ham whatsoever.

They could, but they haven't.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:50 am

Mala591 wrote:If it takes another 2 million to get him then I think we should go up to 12 million. Above that is just too much.

Why would it take another 2 million to get him? We've had an offer accepted, it's now up to Snodgrass where he goes.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:52 am

Rileybobs wrote:Not sure I follow. If Hull, for whatever reason, would rather do business with Burnley, they may well have told West Ham that in order to have an offer accepted they will need to make it larger than Burnley's.

My original question was why would West Ham offer more?

When you said it's likely that Hull would prefer to sell to us, I thought you were answering that question (maybe not directly).

So why would Hull prefer to sell to us?

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:53 am

Rileybobs wrote:They could, but they haven't.

Exactly, which kind of proves that Hull Tigers don't care which club he joins.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:56 am

Player wants WHu but it depends on Payet going....if that falls through, very late on, do we really want him as 2nd choice?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:58 am

Tall Paul wrote:My original question was why would West Ham offer more?

When you said it's likely that Hull would prefer to sell to us, I thought you were answering that question (maybe not directly).

So why would Hull prefer to sell to us?

No idea. Maybe they've had a bad experience in dealing with West Ham in the past. Why would West Ham offer significantly more than Burnley rather than just match the offer?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:59 am

Braindead wrote:Exactly, which kind of proves that Hull Tigers don't care which club he joins.

Maybe they don't care, who knows. But why would West Ham offer significantly more than Burnley rather than just match the offer?

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:59 am

IanMcL wrote:Player wants WHu but it depends on Payet going....if that falls through, very late on, do we really want him as 2nd choice?

Yes, he's still a good player

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:06 am

Payet deal won't fall through - but it is likely to go to deadline day. West Ham and Marseille are about £10m apart in their respective valuations but as usual big game of chicken going on.

But West Ham 100% do not want Payet at the club after next week so they will budge eventually.

I'm not sure Snodgrass deal is dependent on Payet going - but even if it is everything will be put in place so the move happens on deadline day.

Clubs like West Ham have lots more experience than us of the transfer window

Clarettintedlense · Post by **Clarettintedlense** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:08 am

Because theyve agreed in principle to do business with us. Theyve now said anyone else who wants him has to bid more than us. Logical reason is that A) they dont want to go back on an agreement theyve made with someone already (us). But more importantly to them B) they know that realistically he is more likely to pick someone else over us so they can ask for more. Win win. If he comes here they get a fair price. If he doesnt they get an even better price or keep him.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:17 am

Rileybobs wrote:Maybe they don't care, who knows. But why would West Ham offer significantly more than Burnley rather than just match the offer?

Maybe Lee Hoos is doing their negotiations.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:20 am

Final decision is Snodgrass'. Hull have said they want players in, this will be paid for with sales, Livermore, Snodgrass, possibly Robertson.
If he says he wants WHU Hull are not going to stop him, if their bid matches ours.

CrispyClaret · Post by **CrispyClaret** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:30 am

TVC15 wrote: Clubs like West Ham have lots more experience than us of the transfer window

Why on earth have West Ham, got more transfer window experience than us? Were transfers only available to a select number of clubs in previous years?

sleeperclaret · Post by **sleeperclaret** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:30 am

How would West Ham know how much we've bid? Not in anyone's best interests to tell them is it?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:31 am

In the PL, West Ham are leaps and bounds better than us at transfers. I think that's what was meant by that statement.

WestMidsClaret · Post by **WestMidsClaret** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:32 am

Don't worry he's signing for us tomorrow because an "exclaret" said so!

Mala591 · Post by **Mala591** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:36 am

Ok. We should say to Hull that we are prepared to 'seriously reconsider' increasing our bid if someone offers them more.

We might also be able to tempt Snoddy with a generous signing on fee and nice big detached house in Skipton.

Much better than living/working in an increasingly chaotic and overpopulated capital city.

CrispyClaret · Post by **CrispyClaret** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:37 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:In the PL, West Ham are leaps and bounds better than us at transfers. I think that's what was meant by that statement.

Burnley by tradition have kept a fairly zipped mouth on transfer dealings, just because we don't buy every last available player on the first day does not mean we were not trying to do do deals. As recent history has shown, things can go tits up right at the last minute because of incomplete or inaccurate information from players/selling clubs. But it doesn't imply naivety.
The Polish gambling debt being one issue and don't believe all the stories about players not passing medicals for bad knees.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:38 am

What's so difficult to understand? If you've sold your house to a buyer at an acceptable price to you, then another comes along and says"I'll match it" then the seller surely would only enetertain the newcomer if they brought in a gazump bid

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:39 am

Oh absolutely, but I think we're trying to be too cute in the market, but that's our lack of nous in the PL market. With time that will change, the longer we're in this league, the more we will have to adapt.

BFC123 · Post by **BFC123** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:40 am

NRC wrote:What's so difficult to understand? If you've sold your house to a buyer at an acceptable price to you, then another comes along and says"I'll match it" then the seller surely would only enetertain the newcomer if they brought in a gazump bid

The house doesn't have a say though.

WestMidsClaret · Post by **WestMidsClaret** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:41 am

NRC wrote:What's so difficult to understand? If you've sold your house to a buyer at an acceptable price to you, then another comes along and says"I'll match it" then the seller surely would only enetertain the newcomer if they brought in a gazump bid

Players will have a major say on who they want to join! It's not all about the sellers/clubs any more.

#playerpower