Trump's Ban

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:50 pm

Up The Trump

#ForzaDonald

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:50 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:That was the general jist of my complaint. The fact that no major protest in 8 years took place over actually killing innocent people and destabilising entire continents. No pouring of celebrities denouncing their president, no faux tears from politicians, no huge petitions, no widespread outcry from major media and popular culture. Hardly anything.

Surely even you can see the hypocrisy and opportunism in all this hysteria?

You said that Obama could do no wrong in the eyes of some people. You offered drone strikes as an example of him doing wrong, and i've pointed out that liberals were opposed to his drone policy. Now you're saying that they weren't opposed to it strongly enough.Lol **** off. They were calling Obama out on his policy years ago. Having massive protests isn't the only way to criticise someone.

You also seem to think that only liberals protested Trump. Not that that matters in this case, because you didn't say that Obama was never protested again, you said we think he could do no wrong. I think. You were pretty vague.

Perhaps it would help if you explained who the people are that considered Obama incapable of doing anything wrong.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:54 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Now you are simply lying. Nothing new in that though.

You said i claimed that Trump has banned an entire religion. I didn't say that.

Maybe in your alternative reality with your alternative facts i said something like that, but not in this reality. If i did you'd have quoted it by now.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:57 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:We've had concerned people listed as
Tree huggers
Vegans
Happy clappers
Half wit morons
Cry arses
Dippy students
Virgins

And probably more. Say what you want about Trump but his style rubs off on people.

Meanwhile these same kind of people get terribly upset, take it extremely personally, and then keep bringing it up in every future thread until the end of time if you dare call one of their opinions stupid.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:00 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Meanwhile these same kind of people get terribly upset, take it extremely personally, and then keep bringing it up in every future thread until the end of time if you dare call one of their opinions stupid.

You've denied me that privilege

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:03 pm

Sidney1st wrote:You've denied me that privilege

I love it when people have to resort to getting pre-emptively upset.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:32 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You said i claimed that Trump has banned an entire religion. I didn't say that.

Maybe in your alternative reality with your alternative facts i said something like that, but not in this reality. If i did you'd have quoted it by now.

The first golden rule of living in the world of IT

Never admit to anything you say or do .

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:44 pm

Like i said, if i had said what you said i said you'd have quoted it.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:03 pm

As I said previously Post 188. Answer 5.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:08 pm

FCBurnley wrote:As I said previously Post 188. Answer 5.

When i said a religious test to enter the US is unconstitutional in response to Sidney saying Trump has the right to ban people from the US?

Have a look online and see if there are any reading comprehension classed in or around Orlando.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:25 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Statistically, the biggest threat to US life is white, US males with guns.

Only to themselves, African Americans are the biggest threat to other Americans.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:31 pm

There's a counter-petition to the "prevent Trump" one on the government petition site today (fairly recently opened): "Donald Trump should make a State Visit to the United Kingdom."
18,000+ so far & increasing reasonably quickly- so may well get to the 100,000. On the petitions site you can get geographical density maps of the "prevent" and "should make" signees. Quite a difference in geographical spreads between the two.
Whilst Ive been writing this the numbers have gone to 21,000+ , growing quickly but well short of the 1,520,000 on the "prevent" petition. Having said which, there's been fraud involved in these petitions previously I believe (notably the demand for a 2nd Brexit referendum petition where chunks of spurious votes from outside the UK were eventually detected)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:34 pm

The fraudulent signatures were removed from that Brexit petition, and it was only a few percent of all signatures. The same can and will be done for this one.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:53 pm

George Galloway ..... I just object to hypocrisy

"Bill and Hillary Clinton and Obama until LAST WEEK murdered a million Muslims. Trump imposed a travel ban. And HE is the No1 villain?
Liberals go bananas."

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Makes you think.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:47 am

It doesn't make you think.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:08 am

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:15 am

It doesn't make some people think.
Some people don't have the capacity to think about anything other than here and now (as previously stated on this thread)

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:18 am

I wouldn't get too worried by trump, he's full of hot air but at the end of the day will do what's right. You don't become a self made billionaire by being a buffoon, do you?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:22 am

Damo wrote:It doesn't make some people think.
Some people don't have the capacity to think about anything other than here and now (as previously stated on this thread)

To whom are you referring?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:24 am

Trump has just fired the Acting Attorney General, presumably for not defending Trump's ban.

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:27 am

Galloway's point is a decent one.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:31 am

taio wrote:Galloway's point is a decent one.

Only if you ignore what he said and forget that it was Bush/Cheney that started the Iraq war.

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:34 am

Go to bed

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:35 am

Well argued.

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:38 am

I've no interest in arguing with you. I've better things to do with my time. Go to bed.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:40 am

No. You're not my real mom!

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:42 am

Get a job.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:44 am

Another one?

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:46 am

Just one.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:46 am

taio wrote:Galloway's point is a decent one.

He's good at impersonating cats too..

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:47 am

I have one, but thanks for your concern.

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:49 am

No you don't - it'd be good for you

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:53 am

You rumbled me. I don't work. I just pretend to work and the wage i receive is only play money that i can exchange for goods and services.

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:56 am

What job do you do?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:01 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:To whom are you referring?

quoonbeatz wrote: I just call things as I see them. You need to live in the now. It doesn't matter what Obama did, it's all about Trump now. Just as it would have been all about Clinton.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:02 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I have one, but thanks for your concern.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:32 am

Damo wrote:.

Thanks. I was asking because you called it bizarre that some of us compared Trump to Hitler and was wondring if any of the "only here and now" people were also people who compared him to a 1930s era tyrant.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:33 am

taio wrote:What job do you do?

Duke Bar prostitute.

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:48 am

That'd typically involve going outside so I don't believe you. Get a job.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:50 am

Why are Muslims worried about Trumps immigration plans?

Once you deport Juan you deport Jamal.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:51 am

taio wrote:That'd typically involve going outside so I don't believe you. Get a job.

If you find out from a classmate where i work you can come and see me.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:44 am

I'm sure I read somewhere he was the elected President of the United States of America.

The mockrage generation of liberalites continue to jump up and down whilst ignoring similar issues in other countries.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:56 am

I haven't read through all threads on this so may be repeating someone. Apologies if so.

There are over 30 countries in the Middle East (mainly muslim majority) who ban people from entering their country who have an Israeli stamp on their passport. Let's all protest about that.

Women are murdered in Pakistan (sorry, honour killings) on a daily basis. Let's protest about that.

Women in Saudi have to cover up from head to to, can't drive cars, domestic violence is legal and women are treated as property. Let's protest about that.

In Cuba you do not have freedom of speech. Let's protest about that.

In China more people are executed than any other country. Let's protest about that.

In the UAE women who are raped are arrested for adultery. Let's protest about that.

Homosexuality is illegal in Russia and is a capital offence in Iran. Let's protest about that.

Haven't seen too many of these protests outside the embassies recently. There's no 90 day time limit on the above either.

Trump may be a cock but there are worse out there.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:01 am

Is that really the best argument you have? That other countries do it to Israelis?

Why is it that so many people who apparently despise Islam are so desperate to emulate it?

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:05 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Is that really the best argument you have? That other countries do it to Israelis?

Why is it that so many people who apparently despise Islam are so desperate to emulate it?

Just double standards and fake outrage IT, one has to be trendy and moan about the west.

anyway, I'm off to work, you go back to bed, you've been up all night.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:23 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Is that really the best argument you have? That other countries do it to Israelis?

Why is it that so many people who apparently despise Islam are so desperate to emulate it?

Not emulate, we just wish those on the left would hold them to the same standards expected of the rest of us instead of constantly apologizing on their behalf or worse totally denying any wrong doing/accountability what so ever.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:34 am

You just knew the hypocrite would condone all those other countries, doesn't fit his agenda

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:39 am

HatfieldClaret wrote:Just double standards and fake outrage IT, one has to be trendy and moan about the west.

anyway, I'm off to work, you go back to bed, you've been up all night.

Where's your outrage when terrorists bomb markets in Baghdad? I'm sure you're vocal with your outrage when they blow up buses in london, or run over people in Nice, or shoot people in Paris, but where is it when the victims are Iraqis, or Afghans, or Pakistanis? We can all play the "OMG le double-standards" form or argument to deflect, except i imagine you'll be angry if in the next European terror attack thread I start pointing our how everyone's a hypocrite for not posting condolences in a thread about a car bombing in Islamabad. But it's not really double standards, we just identify with the victims more in countries closer to the ideological map as ours. It's the same when America, a country that pretends to be the bastion of freedom, and which was founded by immigrants and built by immigrants, and that even has "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" on a big green freedom-boner in New York. Yet now it's started to work against that principle it was once so proud of. and revered for.

I hold America to high standards because America holds itself to high standards. It's why we're allies, isn't it? Do you not hold your friends to higher standards than random people you don't know?

The reason you might think it's trendy to criticise the west is because the west's high standards have been slipping in recent decades and people are complaining about this. We're trying to alert people like you who are helping allow us all to sleepwalk into the kind of police state we used to be thankful we didn't live in during the cold war, but all we seem to get in return in resentment.

If you agree with the protesters then support them, or do nothing. If you disagree with them then explain why you disagree with them, or do nothing. But you provide less than nothing to the conversation when all you do it whine that people are protesting, you are instead trying to damage the conversation and that doesn't reflect well on you.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:39 am

claretdom wrote:You just knew the hypocrite would condone all those other countries, doesn't fit his agenda

Who's condoning what now?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:49 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Not emulate, we just wish those on the left would hold them to the same standards expected of the rest of us instead of constantly apologizing on their behalf or worse totally denying any wrong doing/accountability what so ever.

There have been a number of times in this thread where people have used some country's blocking of Israel's citizens and its visitors to either justify Trump's actions, or to highlight hypocrisy in protesters where there is none.

For example, just because a Brit doesn't protest in the about Saudi Arabia's use of the death penalty doesn't mean they're a hypocrite if they protested against the UK bringing capital punishment back. And nor does it mean they condone it in Saudi Arabia like i'm sure some idiots would think. That's basically what you're doing when criticising protesters of Trump for not protesting also against Iran, or Pakistan, etc. Aside from it being a bullshit argument, it's also such a shitty way to conduct yourselves in a discussion about something you probably claim to think is really important to have. It's classic whataboutism as a means of avoiding a discussion you probably know you're on the wrong side of, but don't want to have your ideology challenged.

We come with facts and information while you come back with whataboutism and ad hominems.