Pregnant women..

[hampsteadclaret]

OK..apologies it's not football, but we can all learn something from this..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01 ... ansgender/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

- can't we?

[gandhisflipflop]

my answer to this article is **** off

[Rileybobs]

I'll continue to call them pregnant women, but not to their face, I'll probably just call them their name to their face.

[ClaretAndJew]

Whilst it is imperative we look to include everyone from any sort of background etc, this seems a little over the top, but it's probably not going to cause too much of an issue unless you are confronted by someone for saying something they deem offensive. I'd take it with a pinch of salt and not worry too much.

[Diesel]

Haven't read the article but we do need pregnant women.

[HatfieldClaret]

saw the article. Usual guidelines by pandering to one person. Who in the hell is going to be offended.

A bit like "happy festive season" so non christians aren't offended.

Libtard rubbish.

[dsr]

Frankly, anyone who is pregnant but thinks they're a man is off her rocker. It's awfully hard to avoid giving offence to someone who doesn't follow rational behaviour.

[ClaretAndJew]

dsr,

Is it irrational to identify as a specific thing? Like a bisexual person, is that irrational? Cause they are not straight or homosexual?

Obviously, biologically only females can have children, but if a woman identifies as a man for whatever reason, shouldn't we respect that??

[hampsteadclaret]

Just to be clear...my own opinion is closest to post 2 and Hatfield.

I really cannot stand this sort of PC claptrap these days.

- 'must be resisted'.

[ClaretAndJew]

Is this really PC though? Or just respecting someone's right to be addressed as they wish?

[dsr]

dsr,

Is it irrational to identify as a specific thing? Like a bisexual person, is that irrational? Cause they are not straight or homosexual?

Obviously, biologically only females can have children, but if a woman identifies as a man for whatever reason, shouldn't we respect that??

No. A woman may identify as a man, and as long as it's no detriment to anyone else's normal life you can allow her her pretence of being a man, but she isn't a man.

If a dog is brought up by a cat, and it thinks it's a cat, it's wrong. It's a dog. If I think I'm Napoleon Bonaparte, I'm wrong. If I think I'm a woman, I'm wrong. There's no reason why people shouldn't be allowed to be wrong, whatever the evidence against it; but just because they would prefer to be someone that they aren't is not the same as being someone that they aren't.

[ClaretAndJew]

Ok,

I see your point, but are these people suggesting they ARE X,Y and Z? Or just that they feel more comfortable living as X, Y and Z? I don't know the full psychology behind it.

[dougcollins]

I'm Brian, and so is my wife.

[Sidney1st]

There was a transgender person in the news the other week, aiming to be the first 'man' to give birth.
They're in the middle of changing from female to male, but decided they might as well have a kid first and then finish changing over.


As for this article, I'll call them a pregnant woman, or mother to be etc because that's what they are.
I'd assume the transgender community won't understand why this article has been published because they won't be that arsed about what anyone calls pregnant women...

[Blackrod]

F ing stupid. Not even going to read the whole article. Everyone is too bothered about pandering to the PC brigade and saying the right thing. It's gone too far and could send prople the other way.

[Blackrod]

Post 14 nice for the child. How considerate.

[Sidney1st]

Found the article from the other week.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... GNANT.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Dazzler]

How about a pregnant woman being a pregnant woman and a pregnant transgender being a pregnant whatever ?

[HatfieldClaret]

Is this really PC though? Or just respecting someone's right to be addressed as they wish?

This really is getting into the Life of Brian comedy.

I, as a man, can't have babies but I demand the right to have a baby. Agreed....


Peoples Popular Front of Judea....splitters !



This all came about because a woman going through hormone therapy to be a man, and is legally a man, put all further treatment on hold to have a baby. I know we are now in the generation of 'gender fluid', but somewhere along this route reality has to get a grip.

[ClaretEngineer]

Haven't read the article, nor do I intend to. Yet another person trying to be relevant.

Only women / females can give birth to childre, science has proven that.

Same with that white bird who was declaring her self as black person.

Just because you've stuck a Mercedes badge on your Citroen doesn't make it a Mercedes.

[BennyD]

No. A woman may identify as a man, and as long as it's no detriment to anyone else's normal life you can allow her her pretence of being a man, but she isn't a man.

If a dog is brought up by a cat, and it thinks it's a cat, it's wrong. It's a dog. If I think I'm Napoleon Bonaparte, I'm wrong. If I think I'm a woman, I'm wrong. There's no reason why people shouldn't be allowed to be wrong, whatever the evidence against it; but just because they would prefer to be someone that they aren't is not the same as being someone that they aren't.

Sorry mate, that's just PC b0ll0cks.

[Blackrod]

The person in that link wants to become a man and prefers men but they want to have a child. Has the selfish thing thought about the child in all this or the people advising on this.

[BennyD]

This really is getting into the Life of Brian comedy. This all came about because a woman going through hormone therapy to be a man, and is legally a man, put all further treatment on hold to have a baby. I know we are now in the generation of 'gender fluid', but somewhere along this route reality has to get a grip.

I'm sorry but this f*cked up mate needs a slap, and a good head shake. After that she can go and make dinner and then get on all fours. That way her f*cked up gender doesn't spoil what comes next.

[randomclaret2]

Hardly heard the word 'transgender' in the media till a year or two ago. Now its everywhere. Who decided ?

[Garforth Claret]

I did notice the article says "A large majority of people that have been pregnant or have given birth identify as women." How insightful. So that will be about 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 recurring% of "people".

[boyyanno]

The child's life is ruined. As a Burnley fan I would know.

Your mum's your dad....

[HatfieldClaret]

But we have to allow for the sensitivities of the 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 recurring % of people. Don't we ?

[Sidney1st]

The child's life is ruined. As a Burnley fan I would know.

Your mum's your dad....

Should we send them a baby Burnley kit in advance?

[HatfieldClaret]

The kid will be traumatised as it is, no need to make it worse for him.

[FactualFrank]

"Don't call pregnant women 'expectant mothers' as it might offend transgender people, BMA says"

I'll just call them a big fat fatty, then.

[MACCA]

Note to up and coming footballers...

Do not comment on this story, nor give an opinion.

In a few years time when men having babies "is normal" some weirdo will bring it back to the attention of the world.

I just hope I'm around to see the first person ever to give birth to a dog through their arse, you know it's going to happen...

[Sidney1st]

Nah it'll be involving a person from Blackburn and a horse....

[Spiral]

We haven't had a PC oppression thread in a while.

FWIW, putting myself in the shoes of the head of the BMA, I reckon a quick internal memo (which is what this is) detailing preferred nomenclature, however much an affront to the sensibilities of 'real people' this memo may be, is an entirely professional and pragmatic approach to mitigating the potential for media ****storm when the one inevitable moron goes to the Guardian or the Mirror. Notice that the BMA isn't policing the language of private citizens.

[dsr]

We haven't had a PC oppression thread in a while.

FWIW, putting myself in the shoes of the head of the BMA, I reckon a quick internal memo (which is what this is) detailing preferred nomenclature, however much an affront to the sensibilities of 'real people' this memo may be, is an entirely professional and pragmatic approach to mitigating the potential for media ****storm when the one inevitable moron goes to the Guardian or the Mirror. Notice that the BMA aren't policing the language of private citizens.

At 14 pages long, it isn't a "quick memo".
How come they're so anxious to avoid offending pregnant men, but not at all anxious to avoid offending anyone of Chinese origin? They suggest that the family name should be referred to as "last name" in a leaflet that claims that ""This guide promotes good practice through the use of language that shows respect for and sensitivity towards everyone." Everyone except people whose family name is their first name, presumably. But hey, to hell with the Chinese, pregnant men are far more important.

The point is not that they trying to avoid upsetting pregnant men - it's that they're upsetting pregnant women by doing so. I don't know what they have in mind as a "large majority" of people who have given birth who identify themselves as female - 52%? 90%? 98%? But I suspect, so far, that it's actually 100%, soon to drop to (25 billion -1) / (25 billion) when this unusual bloke gives birth. Has anyone actually asked him if he's offended by the other 25 billion women being called, or having been called, expectant mothers?

[Spiral]

Okay, lets keep this simple. Is an objectively well-intended guide on preferred nomenclature published specifically for use by an organisations staff members a useful idea, or are you actually arguing against PC culture by taking offence on behalf of Chinese people and women who may or may not be offended by this?

[starting_11]

Not being funny but if we didn't pander to "these people" then they might just get along with life and grow a pair of balls (or not as the case may be!)

[NRC]

phew, is that all? I thought this might have been Trump's latest executive order and planned parenthood

[dsr]

Okay, lets keep this simple. Is an objectively well-intended guide on preferred nomenclature published specifically for use by an organisations staff members a useful idea, or are you actually arguing against PC culture by taking offence on behalf of Chinese people and women who may or may not be offended by this?

It matters not whether a well-intended guide is a good idea or not. My office doesn't have one, so perhaps we're just naturally polite while members of the BMA are rude and stupid and need to be told.

Or perhaps they're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist? Would it not be a more pragmatic approach to say that men, or at least non-women, who are pregnant can be described as "pregnant people" (though the chances of finding more than one of them must be remote!) and describing women who are pregnant - and let's be frank, the majority of pregnant people are women, even now - as "expectant mothers"?

Why on earth is it considered sensible to describe "family names" as last names when they clearly aren't? Why not describe them, with equal lack of accuracy, as "third names" or blue names" or "strawberries". If you must have a workplace naming document, one that says that the "Li" of Li Na should be described as her last name, is pretty stupid. IMO, of course.

I'm not offended on behalf of anyone whose family name comes before given names, I'm annoyed that a supposedly responsible organisation like the BMA is wasting time and money on this garbage. Especially as some people will take it seriously. The Food Standards Agency warn against eating brown toast and the BMA warn against calling people expectant mothers - when they want to say something that actually matters, will anyone listen?

[Spiral]

Yadda yadda yadda, thinly veiled theologically-informed bigotry coming to the fore, the world is changing far too much far too fast for me, yadda yadda yadda.

Not PC enough, that's what you're saying?

I'm being flippant because you're utilising tenets of PC culture to attack PC culture while attempting to appeal to hypocrisy. Virtue of frugality thrown in for good measure, too. Icing on the cake.

[Colburn_Claret]

You must not refer to the people who come up with these ideas as arseholes. Despite the fact that they are arseholes. In future could you please refer to rhem as a collection of sphincters.

[dsr]

Don't waste your breath complaining at me, spiral. Why not have a go at the International Olympic Committee, the tennis ATP & WTA, the Football Association and FIFA, and every other sports body in the world? Even horse racing allows 3-year-old mares a 5lb weight allowance. Until men who identify themselves as women are allowed to enter women's sports, then they won't be the same as women, even if you call them Masters of the Universe.

[Spiral]

I'm not complaining. I think those irritated by these kinds of story are battling a phantom enemy.

[Bertiebeehead]

Hungarians too. Their family name comes before their Christian name. (That's my preferred styling, by the way; I'll get offended if anybody uses anything else).

Sorry BendersonTom.

[Sausage]

I’m simply upset that the BMA – by virtue of its name – implies the exclusion all people who do not claim to fall within the simply category of being British. So, how about renaming it the British White, Minority Ethnic and Black, Asian, Mixed or Other Medical Association (BWMEBAMOMA).

[chadders]

That's got me flummoxed. It all seemed so much simpler when I were a lad......

[CnBtruntru]

Jesus, I thought this was the Trump thread, drat.

[Ightenclaret]

How about Genetic Propagator?