Defours best position for Burnley?

Mala591 · Post by **Mala591** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:25 pm

I think Defours best position for Burnley might be left half/left midfield. He has more creative freedom to support our attack and slightly less defensive responsibility (compared to the two central midfielders who first priority is to support the defence).

Marneys injury and the possible signing of Brady might push Defour back into a more central role which IMO might be the wrong thing to do.

Possible solution anybody?

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:27 pm

Just keep him on the pitch.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:32 pm

Maybe support man / in the hole / free role. If we do sign Brady, Dyche is going to have a nice problem on his hands.

If we play a 5 man midfield, then it could be (shooting upwards): Brady Defour Barton Hendrick JBG
If it's a 4 man midfield it could be: Brady Barton Hendrick JBG, with Defour behind Vokes/Barnes/Gray

If Barton gets a ban, then I imagine it'll be Brady Defour Hendrick JBG

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:33 pm

The first 60mins of wherever he is on the pitch

The last 30mins depends on his fitness.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:48 pm

He's a central midfielder, so central midfield.

I suspect at his best he'd play in a midfield 3, but I still think our tight midfield 4 can give him to structure to be our playmaker.

Great thing is that, especially if we get Brady, we'll have real options. 7 great midfield options even without Marney (and that ignores Tarkowski), and if we can get an 8th to replace him, we'll be in fantastic shape in that department for the first time in recent memory

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:52 pm

Same as Hendrick - in the middle. Those 2 really are excellent.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:55 pm

Without a doubt central midfield. Really hope Dyche trusts him and Hendrick to form a partnership together there's definitely excellent potential.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:57 pm

MDWat wrote:Same as Hendrick - in the middle. Those 2 really are excellent.

Which would mean dropping Barton to the bench. If he's not banned, I can't see that happening. I think Dyche will look to push Defour further forward 'in the hole', if Defour, Barton and Hendrick are all available to play.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:00 pm

Easy - centre mid

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:00 pm

Don't think there's a fitness issue. Chasing players down in minute 85 against the mackems. Looked busy doing it too.

In answer to the OP, on the pitch will do just fine. But in a loose number 10 role gets the juices flowing.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:01 pm

Definitely centre. Play needs to go through him rather than around him.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:02 pm

Just outside the penalty area with his pitching wedge.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:02 pm

Yeah Bobinho, think he'd be fine in a number 10, but I guess it depends on the opposition too. There is no universal starting 11. It also depends on who we're playing, whether we're home or away and if anybody is out due to suspension or injury.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:03 pm

Tarkowski proved beyond all doubt yesterday he is not in any way shape or form a central midfielder. Defour is a class act who should be played in the middle of the pitch but he strikes me as a player who wouldn't disgrace himself if we asked him to play in the nets! Whatever it is he's got it.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:03 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Just outside the penalty area with his pitching wedge.

I'm glad you're not my caddy. That was a sand wedge. He'd have hit the keeper with a PW.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:04 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Tarkowski proved beyond all doubt yesterday he is not in any way shape or form a central midfielder.

Don't let ablueclaret hear you say that.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:05 pm

Defo not a 'number 10'. That'd require us to play one striker and in that case it'd be more likely to be Hendrick with Barton and Defour deeper.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:07 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I'm glad you're not my caddy. That was a sand wedge. He'd have hit the keeper with a PW.

I said sand wedge on the other Defour thread, just trying not to repeat myself.

I like a good sand wedge, Tuna mayo with cucumber and romaine lettuce on granary.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:10 pm

taio wrote:Defo not a 'number 10'. That'd require us to play one striker and in that case it'd be more likely to be Hendrick with Barton and Defour deeper.

We've played 4-5-1 a few times this season away from home. It would just mean 4-4-1-1. Those saying centre midfield have to then take into account that Hendrick or Barton would be benched to make room.

Ultimately, I think Dyche is going to be selecting 4 from 6. So two of Gray, Barnes, Vokes, Hendrick, Defour, Barton is going to be on the bench. Like I say - a nice problem to have.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:14 pm

I realise we've played 451 but Dyche clearly favours 442 with Gray and Barnes. Time
to trust that Hendrick and Defour can play in a two. And I don't see it as Barton being dropped in terms of PL.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:19 pm

taio wrote:Time to trust that Hendrick and Defour can play in a two. And I don't see it as Barton being dropped in terms of PL.

But if you want Defour and Hendrick in the centre as a two, how can that be anything other than Barton being dropped to the bench?

I don't think one size fits all. Some games, we'd be better off with 4-5-1, some games better with 4-4-2.

Take Leicester for instance. They have Huth and Morgan in defence so would love the long balls, therefore I'd have Vokes starting. Other games, I'd perhaps go with a Gray/Barnes partnership. It's the same with midfield.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:21 pm

Because Barton hasn't started a PL game for us.

If Dyche plays Defour off Vokes against Leicester I'll give you credit for your analysis but assuming no further injuries I suspect you'll be wrong.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:26 pm

Barton dropped to the bench when he hasn't even started a PL game for us?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:27 pm

taio wrote:Because Barton hasn't started a PL game for us.

Only down to fitness and timing, I suspect. We've only played Southampton and Arsenal since he resigned.

Garnerssoap · Post by **Garnerssoap** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:27 pm

Anywhere he wants

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:30 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Tarkowski proved beyond all doubt yesterday he is not in any way shape or form a central midfielder. Defour is a class act who should be played in the middle of the pitch but he strikes me as a player who wouldn't disgrace himself if we asked him to play in the nets! Whatever it is he's got it.

Agreed on Tarks
He's a very good footballer for a centre back
He slightly lacks a yard, although needs game time so this could be explained by that.

Defour is sumptuous

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:30 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Only down to fitness and timing, I suspect. We've only played Southampton and Arsenal since he resigned.

Completely irrelevant to the point about him being dropped.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:37 pm

taio wrote:Completely irrelevant to the point about him being dropped.

Not irrelevant at all if you appreciate the obvious fact that Dyche is quite clearly easing Barton back into the starting 11. And you don't ignore the fact that Dyche is using the cup to get Barton 'Dyche-Fit'.

Therefore, I stand by my post that it would be dropping him back to a bench warmer to only think of Defour and Hendrick as a central midfield pairing.

Which then leads onto my post of Dyche having a tough choice to make: selecting 4 from 6.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:40 pm

Absolute rubbish to suggest that he would be dropped when he hasn't started a PL game.

Anyhow we'll see if Dyche drops Gray and Barnes against Leicester like you're wanting

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:43 pm

Furthest forward in a midfield five....probably.

occ-claret · Post by **occ-claret** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:50 pm

The lad is class. Barton in a holding role with Defour along side Hendrix in central midfield.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:56 pm

occ-claret wrote:The lad is class. Barton in a holding role with Defour along side Hendrix in central midfield.

Foxy..

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:59 pm

Central Midfield.
He can make things happen both sides and, upfront.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:04 pm

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FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:05 pm

taio wrote:Anyhow we'll see if Dyche drops Gray and Barnes against Leicester like you're wanting

Anybody with 2 braincells will have understand that:

1) I suggested Vokes starts, due to Huth and Morgan being in Leicester's central defence. You won't know this and you certainly will have never taken that into account. They are both strong in the air, but I think Vokes can beat them to the ball - I'd like Gray starting too because neither of them are quick on the ground so Gray could do well. I NEVER said I wanted Gray and Barnes to be dropped. It would mean Barnes starts on the bench.

2) I also said Dyche will have to drop 2 of Barnes, Vokes, Gray, Barton, Hendrick and Defour. At no point did I ever say that Gray and Barnes should both be dropped. Unless you expect we play 3 defenders?

Your personality and attitude is absolutely shocking by the way.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:20 pm

I will doff my hat to you if Barnes is dropped against Leicester. But if he starts then I assume you will think Dyche hasn't taken account of or noticed Morgan or Huth too. You never replied to our exchange about the bet - shame a bit of fun and would have been good for the youth foundation one way or another too

Claretto · Post by **Claretto** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:27 pm

Havent seen him in goal yet to be fair

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:41 pm

CM is the place for him - he's the one who can make the team tick

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:33 am

When did Barton resign??

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:57 am

RocketLawnChair wrote:Tarkowski proved beyond all doubt yesterday he is not in any way shape or form a central midfielder. Defour is a class act who should be played in the middle of the pitch but he strikes me as a player who wouldn't disgrace himself if we asked him to play in the nets! Whatever it is he's got it.

Despite the term 'midfielder', nobody wants him to play in midfield
They want him to play infront of the back four.