Hull's loan and purchased players

[NRC]

Kamil Grosicki - Rennes (£7m)
Markus Henriksen - AZ Alkmaar (£4.5m)
Evandro Goebel - Porto (undisclosed)

Oumar Niasse - Everton (loan)
Omar Elabdellaoui - Olympiakos (loan)
Lazar Markovic - Liverpool (loan)
Andrea Ranocchia - Inter Milan (loan)
Alfred N'Diaye - Villarreal (loan)

Firstly, our board would never subject us to the tongue-twisting personal injuries. Secondly, that's a lot of loan players as well as paid-for players - pretty much a new team? WIll be interesting to see if they can gel in the remainder of the season to get them out of trouble

[Firthy]

I might be naive here. But why 5 players on loan when you're only allowed 2?

[dpinsussex]

2 season long loans isnt it ?

[Sidney1st]

Well the old lot weren't doing enough to get them out of trouble so lets see what the new lot do.

Only 3 have any sort of PL experience and their manager is still an unknown quantity to this league too.

It will be interesting to see how they get on

[Sidney1st]

I might be naive here. But why 5 players on loan when you're only allowed 2?

Two from within the PL, as many as you like from outside it I think.

[mybloodisclaret]

The new manager does seem to have them playing well, but I guess that sometimes happens when a new manager comes in.

[Rileybobs]

An awful lot of foreign players with no experience of the Premier League. Not usually a recipe for success. Having said that, considering our lofty position it doesn't really affect us.

[Giftonsnoidea]

I'm all for being confident but I don't like our fans being cocky, the prem is a hard league where anyone can go on a bad or good run.

Ill be happy when we have 40 points!

[ClaretTony]

I might be naive here. But why 5 players on loan when you're only allowed 2?

Only internal loans from English club to English club are included - you can have as many as you like from elsewhere.

[Top Claret]

It is going to be tough for Hull to survive with all these players coming in from abroad. They really have to hit the ground running to have any sort of chance, and I doubt if the majority come off

[Rileybobs]

I'm all for being confident but I don't like our fans being cocky, the prem is a hard league where anyone can go on a bad or good run.

Ill be happy when we have 40 points!

Not sure if that was in response to my post, but I'm not being cocky. We're 13 points above Hull, we're no longer competing with them for league position. If you want to be anxious about it then that's your choice.

I think some fans still think Derby are going to catch us.

[NRC]

Blackpool's drop and Leicester's rise will always keep my feet grounded.....

[FactualFrank]

13 points clear but they have a game in hand, we still have to play them away, and there's 15 games to go. I only currently see Sunderland as the team in trouble at the moment. Hull, Palace and Swansea I think have a very good chance of being safe. We're certainly not out of the woods yet.

[duncandisorderly]

We're certainly not out of the woods yet.

We're only not out of the woods because the dog's still trying to **** against every tree. Apart from that, we're clear.

[FactualFrank]

In that case, we'll agree to disagree

A quick look at the fixtures should warn any fan against thinking we're already safe.

[Quickenthetempo]

13 points clear but they have a game in hand, we still have to play them away, and there's 15 games to go. I only currently see Sunderland as the team in trouble at the moment. Hull, Palace and Swansea I think have a very good chance of being safe. We're certainly not out of the woods yet.

They need to make up more points than we have to get to be safe.

[Tall Paul]

In that case, we'll agree to disagree

A quick look at the fixtures should warn any fan against thinking we're already safe.

As you're a betting man, you should pile on the 16/1 available for us to be relegated if you think there's a decent chance of it happening.

Or are you broke after backing no signings yesterday?

[IndigoLake]

I think they're in trouble. I'm not sure how getting in so many loan players is going to help their cause.

[FactualFrank]

I guess we'll soon see Indigo. I hope if they do start to play well, it's after our game with them!

[Lord Beamish]

I'm sure that Sean Dyche and his Staff don't think we're safe yet, and I'm even more sure that they will be conveying that to the Team. No complacency for Burnley FC. One game at a time.

[boatshed bill]

Their new (albeit short-term) manager has made an instant improvement, they have a chance of staying up now.
Regarding us being safe, i think we need to re-evaluate our situation after the next 4 away games. We've certainly given ourselves a decent chance of survival, but it's no time for complacency.

[jurek]

HAve to agree with factualfrank on this one.

We're far from safe given there's still 15 games and 45 points to go for.
I can see Swansea and Hull making a fist of it and possibly one or two other teams as well.
They'll be all thinking they need to win 5 or 6 of their remaining games
to put them into the high 30's in terms of points and in with a chance.

So if we slump over the next 7 games or so and only manage a few points
we could still be dragged into a relegation dog fight.
Keep in mind we have some very tough home games coming up (Chelsea, Spurs and Man Utd)
and I can't see us winning many of those.

I think it'll turn on our next away games at Watford, Hull, Swansea and Sunderland who we play before the end of March
and also those following away games at Boro', Palace and Bournemouth.
If we can come away from those first four without too many losses and even pick up the odd win and a draw or two
then I think we'll be close to safe and be in the mid 30's in terms of points and still hopefully at least six points
or more points from the bottom three.

Apart from our our own results and performances (we might only need another 8 or 9 points) then the fact
that they (Boro, Palace, Hull, Swansea, Palace and even Bournemouth) also all still have to play at least 3/4 games
(if not more in some cases) against each other means they will be taking points from each other.

There's also the possibility that, even if we did have a slump, then one or two others below us might also do so.
I'm thinking Leicester, Bournemouth and/or Boro.

So, in essence, it's all still to play for and we need to keep our cool and make sure
we don't lose all those away games.

Having said all that the win last night against Leicester was a tremendous result and
must give us the confidence and desire to stay up.

It certainly got me dancing around in the pub!

[IanMcL]

If I played for Hull and saw that lot walk into the dressing room today, I think I might scratch my head at what was going on. Do I belong here anymore? Am I wanted at all? etc

Recipe for disaster in all ways.

[duncandisorderly]

If the bottom 3 double their currents points tally, which is amazingly unlikely given they've only won 5, 4 and 4 games all season so winning 5 or more out of the next 15 games is a big ask, then we'd need 39 points to stay up. Which is only 10 points. Or 0.66 points per game, or half our current ratio.

if the bottom 6 all pick up a point per game between now and the end of the season, which is a little more likely but still a massive ask given none have done that yet, then we'd need 37 points to stay up. We can reach that against Hull in 3 games time.

Or put it another way - we need 11 points to reach the magic 40 point mark, so we could do that in 5 games
Boro, Swansea and Leicester need 19 points to reach 40, so 7 games
Palace need 21 points, so 7 games
Hull and Sunderland need 24 points, so 8 games.

There are only 15 games left And each of the bottom six need to win half of their games in order reach 40 points.

So many more teams need to play so much better than they have done all season and we need to catastrophically implode. Why would that happen, and whilst I'm sure Dyche is taking it one game at a time, I'm sure he has complete faith that his players will not **** themselves over from this position. As should we.

[Fretters]

Allardyce will keep Palace up because that's what he does. It started last night and he's brought in two very good defensive signings, among others.

Clement has started well at Swansea. His fresh ideas and those two wins will have them thinking they can beat anybody.

Hull are playing well under Garcia and Grosicki could be a very good player for them.

We now have one home game (and that's Chelsea) before April and we have a non-existent away record so far. I won't be counting any chickens at all.

On the other hand, the Karanka implosion is continuing at Boro. They could be the ones to drop into it. Or even Leicester!

[Lowbankclaret]

I am hoping and praying Joey's ban if he gets one starts after our next four away games. If and its a big IF we can get 4 points I will be ecstatic. I think Joey will be key to us picking up that first away win.
4 points will leave us with I think 10 games left and needing to get 6 or so points.

I agree with those that dont think we are out of the woods yet.

Those next away games will define our season. No points and its a squeaky bum time finish to the season or 6 points and a fairly calm relaxed run in.

[Grimsby Claret]

I really cant see Hull and Sunderland catching us.
We are not safe yet but another couple of wins and a couple of draws should see us over the line.

[claretspice]

I still maintain that 35 points will keep you up. Swansea might have had a bit of a spurt since Clement took over, but the chances of it continuing indefinitely aren't that high.

[aggi]

Although unlimited loans you can only have 5 in the matchday squad at once.

Looks like they've decided to gamble that a lot of previously highly rated could make a difference. It may work, may be terrible.

[Giftonsnoidea]

Not sure if that was in response to my post, but I'm not being cocky. We're 13 points above Hull, we're no longer competing with them for league position. If you want to be anxious about it then that's your choice.

I think some fans still think Derby are going to catch us.

No not particularly yourself, just don't like to hear fans saying were safe (with 15 games to play and on 29 points) when were not.

We have strengthened appropriately so looking forward to the battle ahead, will be buzzing once were on 40!

[elwaclaret]

I still maintain that 35 points will keep you up. Swansea might have had a bit of a spurt since Clement took over, but the chances of it continuing indefinitely aren't that high.

But there is the Leicester precedent.

I think we would be unlucky to get dragged into it now but its far from beyond the realms of possibility.

For what its worth I fancy Hull, Middlesbro and AN NOTHER to fall through the trap come May and only when its impossible will I think its definitely not us

[minnieclaret]

But there is the Leicester precedent.

The Leicester precedent was for one club to go on an amazing, unlikely run.
For us to drop into the mire it would require four of the bottom 6 to go on that sort of run.
It ain't happening.