Joey Barton's Hearing.

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Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby John Johnson 1605 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:47 pm

Does anybody know when Joey's hearing is ? Thought it was scheduled for today ?
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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby TheFamilyCat » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:48 pm

Not sure about his hearing but his vision was fine last night.
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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby cutsy123 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:49 pm

I thought it was 31st jan

I bet that hes got a bet on betting he will get out of it
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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Sean Dyche's Watch » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:54 pm

Did anyone else have an image of a hearing aid in their mind when they saw the title of this thread?
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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby bobinho » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:01 pm

Yep!!!

Hoping he gets lucky. Let's hope mike dean is on the panel, as he tends to cut people a little slack.
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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby DCWat » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:08 pm

cutsy123 wrote:I thought it was 31st jan

I bet that hes got a bet on betting he will get out of it


31st was the deadline for the submission, not the hearing. At least that's what I thought anyway.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Vegas Claret » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:12 pm

and hopefully his submission is of biblical proportions and will take a firm of lawyers 6 months to get through
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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Giftonsnoidea » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:15 pm

Does he have the tv on too loud next door to you?

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Diesel » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:51 pm

Is there a precedent for what he is being accused of?

If so what was the outcome?

It's probably been covered on another thread somewhere but I don't read everything.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Lowbankclaret » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:07 pm

I did some research a while back and there was a big range.

From a large fine to a 4 month ban.

I am hoping for a fine/ban conbination hopfully for say 4 games, but there was real clue in previous events

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby bob-the-scutter » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:14 pm

Eh?

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Lowbankclaret » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:18 pm

I am hoping they dont give him the four month ban.

Can I see the FA just giving him a fine, absolutely not. hence what I am hoping for.

Watchng tv and typing means it does not always make full sense sorry

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Diesel » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:24 pm

I knew what you meant.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Cirrus_Minor » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:24 pm

No doubt be treated more harshly than an ex England manager advising how to get around FA rules or a prominent Premier League manager man handling an official during a game.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Diesel » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:36 pm

Did fat Sam not get sacked?

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Sidney1st » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:38 pm

Yeah he was sacked, but got his pay off for being booted and has a new job......

So not really a punishment
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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby mybloodisclaret » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:39 pm

They can't sack him. Dyche said so.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Diesel » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:42 pm

The big toad didn't actually break any rules, I had/have a degree of sympathy for the dodgy fat sex act.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby k90bfc » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:58 pm

They HAVE to give him,a TYPE OF WENGER BAN,NO MORE THAN FOUR GAMES,IF their is any Phil Bird,JUSTICE! I hope anyway!

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Blackrod » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:01 pm

Surely there must be rules in a contract that you need to behave in a certain way. BFS shouldn't have been paid off.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby No Ney Never » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:06 pm

I'd be happy with a fine and a two month ban beginning 31st May.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Diesel » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:11 pm

Maybe Darikwa could serve the punishment for him, perhaps?
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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby ClaretEngineer » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:17 pm

Diesel wrote:The big toad didn't actually break any rules, I had/have a degree of sympathy for the dodgy fat sex act.


Dodgy fat sex act?

I'm guilty of a few of them...

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Garnerssoap » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:45 pm

The 4 month ban that other lad got had 3 of the months suspended (so he only served a 1 month ban)

Given its Barton though and I think he's accused of placing quite a lot of bets they might throw the book at him (pun alert) if found guilty

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby KeighleyClaret » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:58 pm

4 month ban would be OK as long as it starts on 14th May. He would get a nice long preseason then.

Unless we are in the Cup Final of course.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby snapcrackleandpop » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:40 am

Given how he is playing any ban would be seriously detrimental to us.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby snapcrackleandpop » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:41 am

Mohamed 69, how is the humble pie ;)

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby LoveCurryPies » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:55 am

When can we expect the FA announcement? Suspect it's not going to be good news.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby FCBurnley » Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:46 pm

We usually get punished for things that are nothing to do with our club. Whatever happens he has been fabulous for us

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby northeastclaret » Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:52 pm

Wasn't there talk of Joey requesting a personal hearing which would drag it out further?

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby claretspice » Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:59 pm

Barton will certainly request a personal hearing, and assuming there is some grey area within the rules from pre 2014 (and my understanding is there is), I suspect the date of any hearing is some time into the future, and any appeal by Barton if he gets a lengthy ban could quite easily delay it further. I certainly think he'll get a few more games in for us yet.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby ecc » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:02 pm

"and hopefully his submission is of biblical proportions and will take a firm of lawyers 6 months to get through"

If they gave Joey a dictaphone to give his explanation it would take the best part of five years to type it.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby martin_p » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:07 pm

claretspice wrote:Barton will certainly request a personal hearing, and assuming there is some grey area within the rules from pre 2014 (and my understanding is there is), I suspect the date of any hearing is some time into the future, and any appeal by Barton if he gets a lengthy ban could quite easily delay it further. I certainly think he'll get a few more games in for us yet.


I'm sure all this would've been worked through when we gave him a contract to the end of the season. Wouldn't have been much point if we only going to get a month out of him.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Top Claret » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:11 pm

If we can get another 4 or 5 games out of Barton we should be safe. This fella has been a sensation playing in Claret and blue
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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Top Claret » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:12 pm

If we can get another 4 or 5 games out of Barton we should be safe. This fella has been a sensation playing in Claret and blue

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby ClaretTony » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:16 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:When can we expect the FA announcement? Suspect it's not going to be good news.


He only responded yesterday so if he's asked for a personal hearing they will have to arrange that first.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby pureclaret » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:22 pm

under eu law you can not be legally stopped from gambling on any out come unless it is reasonably believed you have insider knowledge ie that someone is going to do something that will aid you getting the right result. Or that the job you do gives you insider knowledge, but under brexit it all becomes a bit different, bit like tax, tax man does not have to prove you owe tax you have to prove how much you pay. So its all down to when Brexit is started

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby gandhisflipflop » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:47 pm

pureclaret wrote:under eu law you can not be legally stopped from gambling on any out come unless it is reasonably believed you have insider knowledge ie that someone is going to do something that will aid you getting the right result. Or that the job you do gives you insider knowledge, but under brexit it all becomes a bit different, bit like tax, tax man does not have to prove you owe tax you have to prove how much you pay. So its all down to when Brexit is started



But the offence took place while under EU law

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby claretspice » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:52 pm

ClaretTony wrote:He only responded yesterday so if he's asked for a personal hearing they will have to arrange that first.


And the next challenge will be to get Barton's legal representatives, and the legal guys on the tribunal, all in the room at the same time.

As I understand it, this is the sort of disciplinary tribunal that was put together to hear the Ro Ferdinand doping case, which did I think take some time.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby HatfieldClaret » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:09 pm

Brexit has nowt to do with it. We will be in the EU for the next 2 years, at least.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby StuffyClaret » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:22 pm

Do we know if he actually profited from any of these bets? Also, I read somewhere that most of these bets were Accumulators. These factors don't really help with the prosecutions argument that he might have had insider knowledge on the outcomes of some of these fixtures.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby IanMcL » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:29 pm

Hopefully this will ride out the season and they can convene thereafter. All the documents he has submitted will need to be gone over by their legal folk and questions raised etc...and answered, all in good time, before any hearing, I would hope. Look how long it took the lawyers over Danny Ings! (Have they paid?)

Fingers crossed.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Vegas Claret » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:30 pm

the problem will be a mighty one if it's proven he placed bets on games he was involved in

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby ClaretTony » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:32 pm

News coming out that he's accepted the charge but he has asked for a personal hearing.
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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Redbeard » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:37 pm

Has he been given odds for the outcome?
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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Gerry Hattrick » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:39 pm

ClaretTony wrote:News coming out that he's accepted the charge but he has asked for a personal hearing.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/201 ... -requests/

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby Judehamish » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:40 pm

I think that I read somewhere that a lot of the bets are accumulator bets, each one being classed as a separate bet.

If I were him, I would be instructing solicitors against the betting company as though he has broken rules of a professional body, he has broken no laws. Is he not entitled to confidentiality as a client of the betting company?

Why did the company not bring this to light after the first bet?

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby dsr » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:13 pm

pureclaret wrote:under eu law you can not be legally stopped from gambling on any out come unless it is reasonably believed you have insider knowledge ie that someone is going to do something that will aid you getting the right result. Or that the job you do gives you insider knowledge, but under brexit it all becomes a bit different, bit like tax, tax man does not have to prove you owe tax you have to prove how much you pay. So its all down to when Brexit is started

No-one's told the Jockey Club. Jockey aren't allowed to bet on horse racing full stop.
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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby martin_p » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:44 pm

pureclaret wrote:under eu law you can not be legally stopped from gambling on any out come unless it is reasonably believed you have insider knowledge ie that someone is going to do something that will aid you getting the right result. Or that the job you do gives you insider knowledge, but under brexit it all becomes a bit different, bit like tax, tax man does not have to prove you owe tax you have to prove how much you pay. So its all down to when Brexit is started


No one's accusing him of breaking the law, he's done nothing illegal. He's accused of breaking the rules relating to his profession.

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Re: Joey Barton's Hearing.

Postby longside72 » Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:13 am

accepted misconduct charge but requests personal hearing . (sky news )
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