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Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:16 pm

Leicesters demise appears remarkable on the face of it. Champions last year and doing well in europe this.

But if you look at them the year before they were terrible and very lucky to survive. They were going down until they beat us. Ranieri came in and gave an average side belief. What he achieved was remarkable. But they are still that average side. They lost a key player in Kante and not strengthened. No team has retained the title in 8 years. Most of the time those clubs havent strengthened. Leicester are guilty of that. Morgan and possibly Huth should have been improved on as should Simpson.

Be interesting to see how they do now.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by CombatClaret » Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:18 pm

Back to around where they were, I'd say the bigger question is what went right (last season).
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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by Saxoman » Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:19 pm

Was last season a fix..?

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:20 pm

I think they over achieved but when things are going wrll you have the momentum and belief. This season is the exact opposite of that.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:20 pm

Gullit jist made same point. They need to reinvest.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by quoonbeatz » Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:59 pm

Brilliant to watch their demise.
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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by Sidney1st » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:03 pm

Last season a lot of things went their way.

Chelsea, Utd, Liverpool and City all had weird moments whether it was managerial changes or expecting them thus making managers lame ducks etc.
Plus a couple had squad issues.

Normally Leicester, or anyone else, wouldn't get a look in.

Kante is also a massive miss for Leicester.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:11 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:Brilliant to watch their demise.
I agree. Aside from Ranieri who I like.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by Oppycat » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:17 pm

In a word, Kante. He was easily the best player on the pitch today, a dream of a break-up play, possession-winning player. Staggeringly good
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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by kentonclaret » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:17 pm

Ranieri stated in early October that the PL was not the main focus this season but Champions League adventure. They started dropping key players for PL matches on Saturdays when they had a Champions League match the following week and suffered some heavy defeats as a result conceding 4 goals per game twice in the process. Qualified for Champions League knockout stage but League form stuttered and Ranieri then stated that PL points must now be a priority again. Downward spiral had started now difficult to arrest the slump.

At the start of the PL season Leicester were just 11/1 with William Hill to be relegated. Almost unprecedented short odds for PL title winners to suffer relegation the following season. They won the title but it was a fluke as so many of the top teams had problems of their own and under performed.

Leicester were never really that good that they could start resting key players for big PL games and expect to come away with any points and they didn't.

Leicester in a relegation struggle this season is not really that much of a shock and pre season odds of 11/1 reflect that fact.

Big story because of what happened last season but there were other factors that contributed to that title success.
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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:19 pm

1 The big clubs were in transition
2 Leicester had Kante
3 It took refs until March to realise what a thieving scrote Vardy was.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:23 pm

Oppycat wrote:In a word, Kante. He was easily the best player on the pitch today, a dream of a break-up play, possession-winning player. Staggeringly good
Like a pitbull! I said on the other thread. Makelele on steroids.
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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by agreenwood » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:34 pm

They look like they've simply lost the hunger to me.

Achieved more than they ever dreamed they would and can't recapture anything like what they had before.
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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by Alanstevensonsgloves » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:18 am

This is worth a read. Quite interesting I thought.....

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by gogogadgetlegs » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:27 am

Kante gone, no one to do the work in midfield is like the exhaust blowing and the timing mis-firing.All doing what its supposed to do with nothing at the right time.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by Saxoman » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:28 am

They aren't natural winners, they looked almost embarrassed to be champions last season.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by gogogadgetlegs » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:44 am

Get the **** outta here

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:44 am

Kante got Drinkwater into the England squad - that's how good Kante was for them
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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by Saxoman » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:51 am

gogogadgetlegs wrote:Get the **** outta here

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by Funkydrummer » Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:02 am

Too much too soon - when you are at the top, there is only one way to go.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by Shore claret » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:03 am

Oppycat wrote:In a word, Kante. He was easily the best player on the pitch today, a dream of a break-up play, possession-winning player. Staggeringly good
Spot on, Leicester awful and Chelsea good, one common denominator.
Kante.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:19 am

MOTD2 highlighted Kante performance in the same game v Swansea last year. You'd miss a player like him, but certainly not to the extent they appear to have.

You have to add a lot of Leicester players having the seasons of their lives last year (I mean, Wes Morgan is and always will be a donkey, apart from that season) and they are struggling.

Still think they will be ok, but look how Swansea have improved, and you can't rule out one (or more) of the bottom three doing similar

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by jlup1980 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:26 am

They're in the dogfight, that's for sure.

Sunderland look doomed but the rest is up in the air.
Hull have a decent run in on paper due to their last 4 games being against top 6 opposition.
Palace are in big big trouble as they haven't played any of the top 6 in the 2nd half of the season yet.
Leicester still have 4 games against the top six as well as Sevilla in the CL and the FA Cup clogging up their schedule.
Boro still have 5 of the top six to play as well so they're also in the mix.

It's going to the wire between these five I think and I genuinely think Hull will get out of it.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by Zom Zom » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:00 am

I feel a bit for their supporters. Last year may well have been a flash in the pan, but it was brilliant for the game in my opinion. Really refreshing to see somebody else challenging rather than the usual suspects. It has been downhill since, but the only reason I am happy with it is because they are below us with a few others who don't look likely to string a few wins together.

I watched their game at Swansea, and they lack all of the attributes that were apparent last time round. Desire, hunger, fight and a complete lack of confidence in front of goal. Vardy's prominence last season took most people by surprise, but now he looks like what he is, a very quick Championship striker.

You kinda feel they believed all their own hype, something Ranieri must take the blame for.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by Blackrod » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:45 am

I didn't think they looked that bad against us at the Turf but..
1. Vardy looked poor.
2. Kante was a key player and not replaced. (Imagine if we were without Barton last year).
3. Mahrez off form.
4. Ageing players.
5. Other teams have worked out the way they play.
6. Refs have cottoned on to their bullying fouling tactics.
7. The fat contracts and a lack of hunger.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by Firthy » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:03 am

Huth and Margan are older and slowed just enough to make a difference.
Vardy has lost his scoring touch.
Mahrez has given up and looks totally disinterested.
Midfield is average without Kante.
I also think they made a mistake selling Schlupp to Palace as they miss his pace. Not that he's improved Palace much :)

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by dushanbe » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:09 am

All pretty average players who have won their pot and now can't be arsed.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by joey13 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:17 am

Need to invest in new plastic clappers , last seasons are worn out .

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by Dyched » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:58 am

It was bound to happen. Theres been many team through the years who've won cups and not been anywhere in the league. But too reproduce again for 38 games is a massive ask. If they'd have finished in the top 10 last season they'd be doing better this season imo.

But as astounding as they did. Crazy as I sound was it really?? I keep hearing why can't Burnley do away what they do at home. We're not far of getting some real results away. Yes we've had a couple of shockers but overall we're not far off. Sort that out and replicate our home form next season and we're title contenders. If Sean stays say 2/3 more years. I honestly believe we can achieve something just as mad. Honestly.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by ashtonlongsider » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:17 am

A think a number of factors. They certainly over achieved. They got momentum and had more than there fair share of decisions in their favour if I can recall from memory. The've lost Kante and their Centre Backs are not as dominant or influential and I think its fair to say a number of there players have been well below par this season.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by FulledgeClaret » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:25 pm

based on their points average so far they will all gain between 10-13 points and finish on those points totals.
Sunderland 0.76 10pt 29pt
Palace 0.76 10pt 29pt
Hull 0.80 11pt 31pt
Leicester 0.84 11pt 32pt
Boro 0.88 12pt 34pt
Swansea 0.96 13pt 37pt

Swansea look safe after yesterday if they reach the expected 37pts, Hull are picking up a bit with a change of manager and could pull clear, its going to be a very low number of points required for safety this season by the looks of its any 3 from 5.

our average is 1.2 pts per game finishing on 45/46 Pts

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by BennyD » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:30 pm

Also, Prem defenders were afraid of Vardy last season because if they came anywhere near him he would go down like an anvil. Refs have wised up to that now and the benefit of the doubt goes against him. He tried it with Tom at t'Turf but got nothing. Dirty, diving, b4stard.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by Top Claret » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:32 pm

Back to basics for Leicester. They play football like their in the school yard , they don't play as unit.

Wide men don't track back and put a foot in and the defence looks to be all over the shop

Dyche would turn that lot round in a couple of games, like he did here when Howe left the Burnley

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by CnBtruntru » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:54 pm

As long as they keep doing what they are doing that will be fine by me :D

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by jlup1980 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:54 pm

FulledgeClaret wrote:based on their points average so far they will all gain between 10-13 points and finish on those points totals.
Sunderland 0.76 10pt 29pt
Palace 0.76 10pt 29pt
Hull 0.80 11pt 31pt
Leicester 0.84 11pt 32pt
Boro 0.88 12pt 34pt
Swansea 0.96 13pt 37pt

Swansea look safe after yesterday if they reach the expected 37pts, Hull are picking up a bit with a change of manager and could pull clear, its going to be a very low number of points required for safety this season by the looks of its any 3 from 5.

our average is 1.2 pts per game finishing on 45/46 Pts
That's looking at the season on the whole though and Leicester didn't actually start too badly. A more honest assessment is to look at the bottom 7 over the past 6 games and that's very telling...

Leicester 1 point from the last six games so 0.16 per game
Crystal Palace 3 @ 0.5 per game
Boro 4 @ 0.66 per game
Sunderland 5 @ 0.83 per game
Bournemouth 5 @ 0.83 per game
Hull 7 @ 1.16 per game
Swansea 12 @ 2 per game

See the season through on that ratio and the table looks a little like this; which suggests we only need one point to be safe!

swansea 50
bournemouth 38
hull 35
boro 31
sunderland 30
palace 26
leicester 23

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:13 pm

Its too difficult to judge if we look at averages. It doesnt take into consideration the tough games Palace, Bournemouth and co have yet to play. Also doesnt take into consideration the positions and safety / opportunity when they play them. i.e. if United are pushing for top four when we play them at home they are going to be far tougher than Chelsea were yesterday with a ten point gap.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by dibraidio » Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:28 pm

Can't help thinking that they're without their "Marney", without him we were bobbins for two seasons because he set the tempo of the rest of the team and dynamised our whole midfield. It wasn't until Joey came that we had someone else who could give us the tempo we needed for our game plan to work.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by scamander » Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:35 pm

it is amusing how every pundit is picking up random bits as proof behind it all, one journo was talking about the free cars they got as a bad idea. Because he definitely called that at the time.

The main issue as i see it was the 'fairytale' narrative which was always in the media. Knock on from that is that each player thinks they've done it so no real need to keep on trying, just do enough and live off the rep from the previous season. If you look at the most successful teams they've been about creating a mentality where winning makes more demands of you. New Zealand can beat another team by 30 points in rugby, but the coach and media will look to find something wrong they need to focus on. Jones is sort of doing that now.

Winners are never happy, so rather than tell everyone that you were grateful to have won it the message should have been we deserved to and next season we'll look to challenge again.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by jlup1980 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:58 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Its too difficult to judge if we look at averages. It doesnt take into consideration the tough games Palace, Bournemouth and co have yet to play. Also doesnt take into consideration the positions and safety / opportunity when they play them. i.e. if United are pushing for top four when we play them at home they are going to be far tougher than Chelsea were yesterday with a ten point gap.
It doesn't but it has some validity at this stage of the season. We're 25 games in now so you wouldn't expect there to be any major changes in the form of the bottom 6. There's usually one team who claws their way back from a seemingly impossible position and this season that would appear to be Swansea. It's not usually the case that two teams achieve this; although I must admit Hull have a chance.

The most interesting thing is regardless of whether you average the whole season out based on 25 games played or the last 6 games played, the team finishing 18th has 30 / 31 points. It shows how close we are to safety. A couple more wins and I'm absolutely certain we'll be easily safe.
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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by Jamesy » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:31 pm

Nothing has gone wrong, they have simply reverted back to type........... Premier League strugglers. :D

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:37 pm

From the little I have seen from them Vardy seems to be missing lots of clear cut chances.

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Post by KRBFC » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:43 pm

It can't have helped forcing players to stay who want to leave, Ulloa for example.
He has wanted to leave for a while, yet isn't given a move and forced to sit around in the reserves. I could kind of understand with Mahrez, but not with Ulloa. Ulloa hands in multiple transfer requests, doesn't play anyway and they would have got decent cash for him. Strange

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by cutsy123 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:48 pm

Kante and other teams fuckin up

Other than that they didnt really batter any1

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:54 pm

KRBFC wrote:It can't have helped forcing players to stay who want to leave, Ulloa for example.
He has wanted to leave for a while, yet isn't given a move and forced to sit around in the reserves. I could kind of understand with Mahrez, but not with Ulloa. Ulloa hands in multiple transfer requests, doesn't play anyway and they would have got decent cash for him. Strange
Had a foreign club come in or a championship club they would have let him go. But understand why they wouldnt want to strengthen sunderland.

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Re: Leicester whats gone wrong

Post by KRBFC » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:58 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Had a foreign club come in or a championship club they would have let him go. But understand why they wouldnt want to strengthen sunderland.
I think it would have strengthed Leicester though by letting him go in a strange way. I believe West Ham have looked better since selling Payet.

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