Andre Gray

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:58 pm

Been given a free pass for a number of weeks because he scored a hat-trick against an awful Sunderland side. Most frustrating forward I've ever seen. His touch is the worst thing I've ever seen, he can't dribble, can't pass. People will say this is an overreaction from today but he's been awful since Sunderland. Composure, Gray should learn about it.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:01 pm

He has been off the pace in recent games. Not sure we can read too much into it today - it sounds like they were all as bad as each other.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:02 pm

Flanagan surpassed him!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:04 pm

Having come through the non league this is a game i expected him to thrive.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:05 pm

This is an overreaction from today

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:06 pm

He was as bad as all the rest of them. I hope it can be put down to a collective loss of composure.

Slurpy · Post by **Slurpy** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:07 pm

I wouldn't say he Couldn't pass or Dribble but he has always had a poor first touch

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:09 pm

If the coaching staff don't sort his 1st touch out rapidly he won't remain a top flight player for long

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:10 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Been given a free pass for a number of weeks because he scored a hat-trick against an awful Sunderland side. Most frustrating forward I've ever seen. His touch is the worst thing I've ever seen, he can't dribble, can't pass. People will say this is an overreaction from today but he's been awful since Sunderland. Composure, Gray should learn about it.

Gray had a chance on the left hand side of the goal. He took it with his right and shot wide. Left foot was the natural and goal scoring shot to take.

Does Andre ever shoot with his left foot?

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Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:16 pm

he has always had a poor first touch but today he only controlled the ball once, the rest of the time it was like watching him juggle a bar of soap.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:20 pm

What does he have in his locker? A decent shot maybe?

He has no first touch, no understanding of the off side rule, doesn't challenge for headers, no anticipation of where the ball is going.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:35 pm

Poor by AG today, but not really worse than the rest of em.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:35 pm

His first touch is appalling and doesn't look like it's getting any better. Really disappointing today.

HendricksHair · Post by **HendricksHair** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:36 pm

He's bonking one of Little Mix, mans a legend

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:40 pm

He did have a poor game today, along with a lot of others. I wouldn't give up on him until he starts getting the service he deserves and needs, if he still keeps missing then is the time to judge.

S0S-1971 · Post by **S0S-1971** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:41 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:This is an overreaction from today

Not an over re-action , Gray couldn't trap a bag of cement , if we stay up we need to invest in a premier league striker as Gray is not the answer .

claretabroad · Post by **claretabroad** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:51 pm

He had a poor game but is still our biggest attacking threat. Let's not forget that he is still developing as a player and has only had league football for a very short time.

Slurpy · Post by **Slurpy** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:52 pm

S0S-1971 wrote:Not an over re-action , Gray couldn't trap a bag of cement , if we stay up we need to invest in a premier league striker as Gray is not the answer .

He had a very bad game but he is as near to a 'Premier League Striker' as we can afford.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:58 pm

Paul Waine wrote:Does Andre ever shoot with his left foot?

Ask Liverpool!

However, he was dire today. He's been poor in general for about 10 months. His first touch hasn't improved. He doesn't hold the ball up. And whenever he does get beyond the last defender he usually misses. The Sunderland game was one good game in a long string of many poor performances. People will say he could have had a hat-trick today. They are wrong. He should have had a hat-trick today. People will say at least he got in the right places. But he didn't have to work hard for any of his chances today. The fact he didn't look like scoring any of them is the worrying thing. If Jermaine Defoe had been our striker today, we could have just won 3-0 or 4-0. But I won't single him out. I think at least 5 other Burnley players embarrassed themselves today. Barton, Arfield, Boyd, Flanagan and Heaton were all poor. And that's before I watch it back and probably add in a couple more. Having said that, we still deserved to win. Lincoln had only 1 shot on target, disrupted the game throughout, should have conceded at least 1 penalty, and rode their underdog status with the ref throughout. Get someone to watch the game objectively, unknowing of which team is which, and there is no doubt they would say we were the better team. Had that just been against Lazio and not Lincoln, we would be crying with dismay at how we were robbed. So although we played poorly by our standards, we still coulda shoulda won. 4 things I would point out though, firstly, once JBG went off we had no real creativity, secondly, for all the media talk of how well organised Dyche's sides are, where was our organisation for the corner we conceded from (not the first time by any stretch I've said this), and our organisation for huge chunks when Boyd switched wings and Arfield played as a CM, thirdly, why did we play so narrowly (as soon as we started to utilise Darikwa up the wing we looked like scoring constantly), and fourthly, did Dyche's substitutions disappoint yet again?

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:58 pm

claretabroad wrote:He had a poor game but is still our biggest attacking threat. Let's not forget that he is still developing as a player and has only had league football for a very short time.

Do you actually think he has developed since being with us?

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:59 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:He did have a poor game today, along with a lot of others. I wouldn't give up on him until he starts getting the service he deserves and needs, if he still keeps missing then is the time to judge.

He got the service today, and just kept on missing..

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:01 pm

Vokes looked poor as well.

RicardoMontalban · Post by **RicardoMontalban** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:02 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:He got the service today, and just kept on kissing..

Well that's his problem right there.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:06 pm

RicardoMontalban wrote:Well that's his problem right there.

Problem Solved!!! (Edited above)

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:09 pm

Everyone was poor today. Nobody stood out. I was just one of those games.

So long as it is a one off and they move on from it then no problem. Stop the overreacting.

Walnutwillie · Post by **Walnutwillie** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:16 pm

Need to get rid while he still as some value
Shocking today
First touch awareness heading passing oh and general play just nowhere near good enough

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:23 pm

Shocking performance.

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:37 pm

Steddyman wrote:Everyone was poor today. Nobody stood out. I was just one of those games.

So long as it is a one off and they move on from it then no problem. Stop the overreacting.

A bit of sense!!

He was very very poor today. So was the rest of the team.

Vokes was equally as poor.

Those that are obsessed with how poor Gray is need a day off. Next time he has a cracking game you'll be on here with your eating humble pie again.

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:40 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:What does he have in his locker? A decent shot maybe?

He has no first touch, no understanding of the off side rule, doesn't challenge for headers, no anticipation of where the ball is going.

You need to have a word with Sean and put him right on this. Hopefully once he's heard your pearls of wisdom he will make a public apology and never play him again.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:41 pm

Now she could teach him how to trap a ba
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Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:49 pm

3putt wrote:You need to have a word with Sean and put him right on this. Hopefully once he's heard your pearls of wisdom he will make a public apology and never play him again.

Do you disagree with any of them points? I thought I was being kind.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:51 pm

IanMcL wrote:Flanagan surpassed him!

I am sure I had just read that Flanagan couldn't pass a snail.

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:56 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Do you disagree with any of them points? I thought I was being kind.

Today, no I don't. But your post doesn't refer to today it's a general statement about him. And so way OTT it's unbelievable.

If you believe in what you are saying, you cant' believe in SD.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:08 pm

3putt wrote:Today, no I don't. But your post doesn't refer to today it's a general statement about him. And so way OTT it's unbelievable.

If you believe in what you are saying, you cant' believe in SD.

What a load of crap.

claretabroad · Post by **claretabroad** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:42 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:Do you actually think he has developed since being with us?

Absolutely.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:50 pm

claretabroad wrote:Absolutely.

Elaborate please, I'm all ears.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:56 pm

HendricksHair wrote:He's bonking one of Little Mix, mans a legend

Hope he controls his balls better when he is with her .

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:13 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:What a load of crap.

What an intelligent response.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:15 pm

If you split a defence or go pet a ball over the top on his right foot then he's lethal. Burnley don't play those balls to home, they play them to him with his back to goal, and he's not good enough at that. His touch is terrible. He controls it 5 yards away from him all the time, meaning he may as well not bother going for it.

If Gray had his physique and pace(?), but Barnes' touch and nasty streak, he'd be a 30 goal per season stri,er, and probably not playing for us. He needs to take a serious look at Ashley Barnes.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:30 pm

Claretforever wrote:If you split a defence or go pet a ball over the top on his right foot then he's lethal. Burnley don't play those balls to home, they play them to him with his back to goal, and he's not good enough at that. His touch is terrible. He controls it 5 yards away from him all the time, meaning he may as well not bother going for it.

If Gray had his physique and pace(?), but Barnes' touch and nasty streak, he'd be a 30 goal per season stri,er, and probably not playing for us. He needs to take a serious look at Ashley Barnes.

He didn't run into the channel to get it onto his right foot all game, other than when he was offside. And he missed 2 sitters with his right foot. I've got a more lethal wooden spoon

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:32 pm

claretabroad wrote:Absolutely.

Yeah, I'd like you to elaborate too.

He is not:

Better at finishing
Better at holding the ball up
Faster

He doesn't:

Have a better first touch
Link play up better

What has he improved at?

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:34 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:Ask Liverpool!

However, he was dire today. He's been poor in general for about 10 months. His first touch hasn't improved. He doesn't hold the ball up. And whenever he does get beyond the last defender he usually misses. The Sunderland game was one good game in a long string of many poor performances. People will say he could have had a hat-trick today. They are wrong. He should have had a hat-trick today. People will say at least he got in the right places. But he didn't have to work hard for any of his chances today. The fact he didn't look like scoring any of them is the worrying thing. If Jermaine Defoe had been our striker today, we could have just won 3-0 or 4-0. But I won't single him out. I think at least 5 other Burnley players embarrassed themselves today. Barton, Arfield, Boyd, Flanagan and Heaton were all poor. And that's before I watch it back and probably add in a couple more. Having said that, we still deserved to win. Lincoln had only 1 shot on target, disrupted the game throughout, should have conceded at least 1 penalty, and rode their underdog status with the ref throughout. Get someone to watch the game objectively, unknowing of which team is which, and there is no doubt they would say we were the better team. Had that just been against Lazio and not Lincoln, we would be crying with dismay at how we were robbed. So although we played poorly by our standards, we still coulda shoulda won. 4 things I would point out though, firstly, once JBG went off we had no real creativity, secondly, for all the media talk of how well organised Dyche's sides are, where was our organisation for the corner we conceded from (not the first time by any stretch I've said this), and our organisation for huge chunks when Boyd switched wings and Arfield played as a CM, thirdly, why did we play so narrowly (as soon as we started to utilise Darikwa up the wing we looked like scoring constantly), and fourthly, did Dyche's substitutions disappoint yet again?

Thanks, Roosterbooster.

Gray played today liked he couldn't use his left foot. Good to be reminded that he scored with his left against Lpool.

Some great detail in your analysis.

I don't know if Tom Heaton's game was effected by him not expecting to play? Generally, he didn't have a lot to do. I liked his turn late on when he was caught well up field.

Barton, by my feeling, got caught up in playing against Lincoln's "big guy" and got sucked into taking him on and trying to put him in his place. One of my tactics when I was playing was to get in tight in behind and in the head of the opposition's best player - it was often effective in neutralising their much better footballing skills. Joey should have "stepped back" and stayed with his game. Should never be a problem when playing against Prem players.

Now enjoying watching Wolves v Chelsea. "Wolves had more chances on goal than Chelsea" quoting the half-time pundit.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:35 pm

Duplicate

califclaret · Post by **califclaret** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:41 pm

Need to have players and manager spend some time in the Calder River next week.

DuckworthsEA · Post by **DuckworthsEA** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:02 pm

Thought he was excellent against Leicester without scoring and has been showing signs of improvement since the turn of the year. He plays in a side where he gets terrible service from the flanks and isn't or will ever be the kind of player to create his own goals. He was one of many bad performers today but we are a much better team with him. Barnes or Gray? I'd choose Gray every time

Terry Cochrane · Post by **Terry Cochrane** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:03 pm

Definitely looks like he's lost a yard of pace since earlier in the season. Whether he's carrying a knock or he's lost his mojo I am not sure.

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:09 pm

His first touch today was akin to a dog with a balloon but everyone has an off day.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:19 pm

Paul Waine wrote:Does Andre ever shoot with his left foot?

Yes, do you not remember the slice into the JMU?

He was poor today, lacked composure in dangerous positions and snatched at a couple of decent chances. The service to him wasn't great today but at times he seems to be on a completely different wavelength to the rest of the side. The few occasions where a decent ball was played in his direction he failed to bring the ball under control.

He's a raw talent and I think with a lot of hard work he could make the grade. We've seen snippets of the player he could be.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:22 pm

Paul Waine wrote:Does Andre ever shoot with his left foot?

Didn't he have a shot with his left today?

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:25 pm

"He's a raw talent" how long will we be rolling this one out?

He's been with us heading towards 2 seasons, one of which will be in the top league of English football.