Imploding Turtle wrote:An evidence-based argument, unless you've conducted the research from which that evidence is derived, is by it's very nature an argument formed by other people. I can make an excellent argument showing that man-made climate change is real but to do that i'd have to use other people's evidence, ..... [blah] [blah] [blah]
Once again turtle you're p i ssing into the wind. You're having a pre-formed argument that isn't there. I'm not arguing what an "evidence-based argument" is (your quotation marks) I'm saying that you don't appear capable of forming your own arguments.
The arguments you've lifted from elsewhere on the internet may be "evidence-based" (my quotation marks) but just because you've lifted somebody else's argument doesn't mean that you are capable of making a decent argument yourself.
I don't think you are. You always founder when you attempt it - there are normally glaring errors in your jumps of logic. Just like here where you're arguing against something I haven't said.
Imploding Turtle wrote:I know you don't like this but here's a google define result for "define fascism"
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And here's Wikipedia's double-sourced definition of "fascism"
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And here's the Oxford English Dictionary's definition of "fascism":
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So it's pretty clear from these definitions that fascism is a form of "authoritarian nationalism".
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But on top of those definitions is this Wikipedia page specifically about what defines fascism.
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If i thought for a second your mind could possibly be changed on the guy i'd spend time going through all the examples
listed here that demonstrate Trump's tendancies towards fascism. Certainly towards authoritarian nationalism.
The Wiki page lists 14 core tenets of fascism. Using the reddit post i've provided you you tell me which of those core tenets Trump doesn't meet.
The only two core tenets i can't think of that he either obvious believes in or his belief in it is implied in some way are New Man and Third Position. But of the other twelve i can think of, at the very least, one significant example from eithe..[blah] [blah] [blah].....
Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear.
Really intelligent people go to university and study for years and years to discuss what political movements actually mean.
But I see you're using a quick google search to attain the same degree of expertise. Kudos for you, turtle.
Oh and there's a wiki page is there??? Well praise the Lord - We can all be experts!!!!!
Look, I don't want to discourage you from learning things from Wikipedia because I'm sure it's good for you.
But I'm just going to say that I don't think you understand the debate on a meaningful platform.
I've studied politics at university myself (I doubt you have) and -I'll level with you here- studying political doctrines and discussing
what they mean is all extremely, suffocatingly and deathly dull. I have no desire to engage somebody on your level of debate on such a boring topic.
However, I will state some very broad truths:
Being arrogant, brash, rude, having orange skin and stupid hair doesn't make somebody a 'fascist'.
Insisting on border controls does not make somebody a 'fascist'.
Having a nationalist agenda does not make somebody a 'fascist'.
You can scream and wail all you like but for anybody capable of reasoned debate then Donald Trump is not a fascist. Your little friends tapping away on the internet may so he is (they perhaps subscribe to the same "evidence-based arguments as you do) but all you're doing is confirming your own prejudices.
On a second level, although is he the leader of a foreign country, I gather you're rather keen on "opposing" him - so here's some advice:
Don't bother.
Trump loves this kind of useless crap. He's playing divide and rule better than you can imagine. And the more you (well, not "you" really but the ones like you in America) scream and shout and get hysterical - the more easily he rules. Because there's nearly always a grain of truth in what he says.
Every time that grain of truth is ignored by his critics, the shriller you get, the less reasoned you become.
And it's very quickly reached maximum shrillness - he is being denounced as a "fascist".
If you stupid anti-Trumpers were just a fraction as clever as you imagined yourself you'd be tempering your criticism to make sense in the real world.
Just sayin'. I don't give much of a toss about the latest American President.
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