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MOTD

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:08 pm

Just watching it, how did Bournemouth's defender Cook get away with that foul when the striker was chasing down the poor back pass?

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Re: MOTD

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:11 pm

Six defeats in seven for Eddie. In a tail spin.

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Re: MOTD

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:16 pm

United away next game. Let's hope they keep it up.
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Re: MOTD

Post by Lord Beamish » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:18 pm

When you look at what Howe has done for Bournemouth, and what Ranieri did for Leicester, and the fact that both teams are in free-fall, it certainly puts Ranieri's sacking into some perspective.

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Re: MOTD

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:25 pm

Alan Shearer actually gets paid for saying what comes out of his mouth.

Crikey.
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Re: MOTD

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:26 pm

Been to Palace the last few years and I always laugh at the 'Ultras' in their corner of the stand, all wearing black and clapping a lot.

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Re: MOTD

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:32 pm

What was Barnes' first booking for?

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Re: MOTD

Post by HunterST_BFC » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:34 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Alan Shearer actually gets paid for saying what comes out of his mouth.

Crikey.
He has put his head to far too many balls...

(doing a prog' about it too).

A.S.I.A.P.

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Re: MOTD

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:34 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:What was Barnes' first booking for?
Dissent over the pen, rather needless as the ref isn't going to change his mind.

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Re: MOTD

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:37 pm

Didn't seem much in it to me.

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Re: MOTD

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:42 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Didn't seem much in it to me.
Even going off the highlights it looked a bloody boring game, but at this moment in time it's about staying up.

However, if we do stay up and Dyche stays, I think we should try and play some better football next season. That's why he should stay - challenge one is near completion (staying up) - challenge two is a whole new ball game (playing better football).

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Re: MOTD

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:45 pm

Boro, Bournemouth and Sunderland are gonna struggle to get
to thirty points on tonight's showing. No joking.

We're perfectly safe.

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Re: MOTD

Post by quoonbeatz » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:47 pm

It was a pretty decent game actually, despite lacking goalmouth action.

Certainly wasn't boring.
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Re: MOTD

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:49 pm

I was taking about the first booking.

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Re: MOTD

Post by Juan Tanamera » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:53 pm

My first away game of the season and it was me who told Keano to shoot.
No need to thank me though, it was all down to teamwork. :D

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Re: MOTD

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:01 am

quoonbeatz wrote:It was a pretty decent game actually, despite lacking goalmouth action.

Certainly wasn't boring.
In that case, it was better than the highlights.

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Re: MOTD

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:07 am

FactualFrank wrote:Even going off the highlights it looked a bloody boring game, but at this moment in time it's about staying up.

However, if we do stay up and Dyche stays, I think we should try and play some better football next season. That's why he should stay - challenge one is near completion (staying up) - challenge two is a whole new ball game (playing better football).
I enjoyed the game. We had some good chances. Atmosphere was good. Both sides were fairly equal. And although it wasn't end to end goal mouth action it was a good game to watch.

Been on far worse especially away.

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Re: MOTD

Post by simonclaret » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:11 am

FactualFrank wrote:In that case, it was better than the highlights.
Very watchable game. Hull never really looked like scoring, we certainly edged it.

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Re: MOTD

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:12 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I enjoyed the game. We had some good chances. Atmosphere was good. Both sides were fairly equal. And although it wasn't end to end goal mouth action it was a good game to watch.

Been on far worse especially away.
cricketfieldclarets, I know what you mean, I just think in general. Generally we do play more direct football, which I have absolutely no problem with this season as the goal is to stay up. But next season if we stay up, I think we should also aim for a more attractive style of football. No Barcelona (that's step 5 lol), but just improve.

Perhaps I'm getting a bit too confident with the way things are going. We do look pretty good in terms of finance and the board, so think thats what they should be aiming for.

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Re: MOTD

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:21 am

I agree. And I think signings of Defour and Brady hint at what Dyche would like to do when we have chance. Just dont think its feasible or even possible to completely shift the style of play in one do.
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Re: MOTD

Post by gogogadgetlegs » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:23 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:What was Barnes' first booking for?
should have been boked about 5 times. was a liability today.

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Re: MOTD

Post by Shore claret » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:29 am

Definitely some strange reffing decisions, MacArthur at palace also a ayala on zaha , cook for Bournemouth, I also thought Sunderland should of had a pen when Williams was playing basketball

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Re: MOTD

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:36 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I agree. And I think signings of Defour and Brady hint at what Dyche would like to do when we have chance. Just dont think its feasible or even possible to completely shift the style of play in one do.
I'd go along with that. No sudden transformation, but a gradual transition. I think thats where Dyche will really have the challenge. Taking us up is one challenge. Keeping us is another challenge. Keeping us up again and improving our style of football is surely the next challenge.
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Re: MOTD

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:39 am

FactualFrank wrote:Even going off the highlights it looked a bloody boring game, but at this moment in time it's about staying up.

However, if we do stay up and Dyche stays, I think we should try and play some better football next season. That's why he should stay - challenge one is near completion (staying up) - challenge two is a whole new ball game (playing better football).
I felt it was far from boring. End to end stuff just lacking for both sides in the final third. I get it must seem boring when MOTD cut the game down to 3/4 mins so that more fashionable teams get play time.

You stick to watching highlight reels Frank.

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Re: MOTD

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:43 am

Cleveleys_claret wrote:You stick to watching highlight reels Frank.
Patronising doesn't suit you sir.
If you can't include yourself in an intelligent conversation then don't attempt the next one.

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Re: MOTD

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:46 am

How is claiming it looked a boring game from a highlight reel intelligent?

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Re: MOTD

Post by longsidetrumpet » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:47 am

FactualFrank wrote:Patronising doesn't suit you sir.
If you can't include yourself in an intelligent conversation then don't attempt the next one.
Ooh bitchy
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Re: MOTD

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:46 am

FactualFrank wrote:I'd go along with that. No sudden transformation, but a gradual transition. I think thats where Dyche will really have the challenge. Taking us up is one challenge. Keeping us is another challenge. Keeping us up again and improving our style of football is surely the next challenge.

And the great thing is is that Dyche will be fully aware of this now and what he intends to do about it next season.

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Re: MOTD

Post by Redbeard » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:23 am

CombatClaret wrote:Now cower, recoil, hide in fear.... of their primary school arts and crafts creations!
Apparently in other parts of London they're known as 'stripey Nigels'. :)

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Re: MOTD

Post by Claretforever » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:48 am

FactualFrank wrote:Even going off the highlights it looked a bloody boring game, but at this moment in time it's about staying up.

However, if we do stay up and Dyche stays, I think we should try and play some better football next season. That's why he should stay - challenge one is near completion (staying up) - challenge two is a whole new ball game (playing better football).
Be careful what you wish for. Blackbirn, Bolton and Newcastle got rid of their manager for not playing attractive football, and all went down. Charlton did the same I think as they felt they should be pushing for Europe.

I've seen managers previousl saying that the be classed as an established Premier League side you have to stay up for two seasons, so if that means a similar season next year then I'd take that. 4-5 additions with a bit more quality and I'm sure we'll mix it up a bit more anyway. We will evolve.
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Re: MOTD

Post by Hipper » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:21 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I'd go along with that. No sudden transformation, but a gradual transition. I think thats where Dyche will really have the challenge. Taking us up is one challenge. Keeping us is another challenge. Keeping us up again and improving our style of football is surely the next challenge.
Isn't he already improving the style and squad with this seasons additions? We just want more steady progress which Dyche is showing he is capable of.

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Re: MOTD

Post by TVC15 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:57 pm

gogogadgetlegs wrote:should have been boked about 5 times. was a liability today.
With all due respect - I think that`s b-ollox !

Barnes has been brilliant for us this year - defenders hate playing against him. He played yesterday like he does every week.

His first booking looked a ridiculous decision - there were a few Burnley (and Hull) players who went to the referee and were shouting at him. Barnes happened to be the closest and it was a pathetic decision to book him.

The second was probably a yellow card - but it was not particularly dirty...certainly was not malicious.

He had a good game yesterday - his touch was good, held the ball up well and as always put a real shift in. He also had a great shot from outside the area which was not even shown on the highlights but had the keeper beaten. There was a spell in that second half when he was causing Hull all kinds of problem.

To call him a liability yesterday is to call him a liability every single game - as that is the way he plays. If he changed his style he would not be half the player.

As for MOTD I thought it was particularly sh-ite last night. I hate Shearer - he is an arrogant two hat who offers zero insight. I don`t usually mind Jenas but his summary of our game was pathetic - he could not get his words out all night and it felt like someone had shown him 2 minutes of highlights just before they were going out live so he assumed it was a boring game because its Hull v Burnley. Anyone who watched the game yesterday saw that it was not a bad game - both teams had good spells in the game and it certainly did not look like 2 teams who were afraid to lose.
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Re: MOTD

Post by Burnley Ace » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:04 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Just watching it, how did Bournemouth's defender Cook get away with that foul when the striker was chasing down the poor back pass?
Was that the one where he just got a flick on the ball first? All the commentators were stating "he got the ball" but then ignoring that having slid in and only got the slightest touch he followed through and had to take the attacker out. Does getting a slight touch then give you carte Blanche to take the man as well?

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Re: MOTD

Post by Blackrod » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:12 pm

Highlights on motd never do a game justice or reflect it properly. How you can say a game looked poor from 2 mins on motd is ridiculous.

Barnes also does a job for us that nobody else does. He will never be prolific but offers other things and is effective in our style of play. The ref clearly had it in for him yesterday.

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Re: MOTD

Post by Paulclaret » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:13 pm

The extended highlights on Sky are much better and I think give a truer reflection of the game.

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Post by Hipper » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:17 pm

I saw the half hour highlights yesterday. They didn't show any of Barnes apparently persistent fouling. What they did show made Barnes look a good performer. The second booking looked correct - he led with his elbow. No excuse. It's not what I want to see from Burnley players but it was the same sort of thing that Lincoln's Rhead was doing with impunity a week ago.

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Re: MOTD

Post by bob-the-scutter » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:20 pm

I watched the whole game on a brilliant HD stream and it was a good, entertaining game which we could have had 3 points from. Barnes 1st booking was ridiculous, he wasn`t shouting or swearing at the ref just asking why the penalty. I`m pretty sure the ref mistakenly booked him for the handball and doesn`t want to admit it.
The 2nd one was an obvious booking which he could pick up every week, not malicious just doing his job.

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Re: MOTD

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:27 pm

Hipper wrote:I saw the half hour highlights yesterday. They didn't show any of Barnes apparently persistent fouling. What they did show made Barnes look a good performer. The second booking looked correct - he led with his elbow. No excuse. It's not what I want to see from Burnley players but it was the same sort of thing that Lincoln's Rhead was doing with impunity a week ago.
If Martin Atkinson had been refereeing last week I don't think that Rhead would have got much further than his assault on barton in the first few minutes, or if he had, he would have not got away with so much afterwards and Barton would probably not have ended up trying to take the law into his own hands.
Atkinson is an excellent referee with a lot of experience at the highest level, whereas Graham Scott, although being 51 years old is very inconsistent.
Ashley couldn't complain about being sent off yesterday, although both bookings were silly on reflection.

Unfortunately, players like Barnes, Costa etc. are the type of players that those running the game would be pleased to get rid of in their constant attempts to sanitise the game into a glorified 5-a-side.
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Post by Paul Waine » Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:04 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I'd go along with that. No sudden transformation, but a gradual transition. I think thats where Dyche will really have the challenge. Taking us up is one challenge. Keeping us is another challenge. Keeping us up again and improving our style of football is surely the next challenge.
My opinion, all we need to add are: (1) picking the right pass 4 times out of 5, rather than 2/3 times at present; (2) more passes that not only find the Burnley player, but reach them with time to control and do whatever needs to be done next; (3) more successes with crosses and corners/free kicks into the box and (4) stop the opposition getting to the by-line and cutting it back.

I'm sure if we can achieve 20% improvement in these 4 areas and we will be good for mid-table and we will all see the football as "more attractive."

I'm sure Sean Dyche knows all this and a lot more. I'm sure there are plans on how we can achieve it.

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Re: MOTD

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:38 pm

I was impressed by Everton,only sunderland I realise, but the signs are good for the blues for next season .
I fancy them to be top 4 at least, possibly runners up.

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Re: MOTD

Post by Shore claret » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:49 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:Was that the one where he just got a flick on the ball first? All the commentators were stating "he got the ball" but then ignoring that having slid in and only got the slightest touch he followed through and had to take the attacker out. Does getting a slight touch then give you carte Blanche to take the man as well?
That was mings, good tackle eventually because his position was shocking.
Cook ran into rondon as he was chasing the ball, blatant body check, terrible decision.

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Re: MOTD

Post by Burnley Ace » Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:15 pm

Shore claret wrote:That was mings, good tackle eventually because his position was shocking.
Cook ran into rondon as he was chasing the ball, blatant body check, terrible decision.
Mingus did well to get that touch but he hadn't taken the man out afterward it would have been a 1 on 1

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Re: MOTD

Post by martin_p » Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:58 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:Mingus did well to get that touch but he hadn't taken the man out afterward it would have been a 1 on 1
If he hadn't taken the man out afterwards he'd have defied the laws of physics!

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Re: MOTD

Post by Shore claret » Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:15 pm

I don't understand the loving of mings, he is a poor defender a lot of goals seem to come from his awful positioning.

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Re: MOTD

Post by midlander63 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:32 pm

Watching MOTD last night I was annoyed that they gave the impression that it was a poor, boring game.

I was there and I thought it was an excellent match. Hull needed to win it and Burnley clearly thought they could win it. The result was a pretty open game - add to that the superb atmosphere in the Burnley section and it was the best away game I've been to this season (admittedly not much competition though).
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