Leyton Orient

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:28 pm

Served with a winding up order..,Hope they can sort things out,always liked them and their fans after our do or die match..

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Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:32 pm

They can't be allowed to wind up yet, Rovers are en route for their own Orient game...

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:56 pm

Sidney1st wrote:They can't be allowed to wind up yet, Rovers are en route for their own Orient game...

They can still have it, just that Orient will be in the Conference by then.

mrhungryone · Post by **mrhungryone** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:10 pm

Foreign ownership seems to create more hassle for a lot of our football clubs. Hope they get lucky....did Barry Hearn cash in his chips when orient were declined the Olympic stadium?

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:17 pm

Great old club stuck in neutral, kind of like Notts County.

mrhungryone · Post by **mrhungryone** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:42 pm

Yes they were on a bit of a roll not long ago all be in the lower leagues.... did hearn abandon them?

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:16 pm

I think that Hearn got tired of bank-rolling them, although they put in apartments at all 4 corners of their ground. (Brentford have pubs, Leyton Orient have high rises. Brentford are upwardly mobile, with a new stadium around the corner, although I prefer the old one. In the long run, it all still comes down to player evaluation, and good management.)

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:41 pm

West ham getting the olympic stadium was a big kick in the balls for Orient. Had they got that it could have given them a chance of real progression. It could also have been a white elephant. But one things for sure is that its meant west ham can give tickets away and hog all of the potential orient fans. Why would any new fans in the area with no affiliation to either pick orient over west ham?

Shame. Good club.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:08 am

Think Barry Hearn's son took over.... cannot say if he's still there. As previous poster West Ham moving onto their fan base has really hurt them. Always had a soft spot after seeing Ralph Coates playing for them in the very early 80's.... I didn't see Ralph for Burnley, but my dad told me plenty.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:58 am

WTF would orient have done with the Olympic Stadium!? At least West Ham can fill it despite all the controversy over their lease of it.

maccclaret · Post by **maccclaret** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:41 am

I think we'll see next season just how much West Ham can't fill the running stadium. The atmosphere will be even worse when they're back to a steady 35,000, rather than the somewhat overstated 50,000+ they're claiming this year.

Unfortunately, Orient are just the latest victims of badly managed vanity projects. Lack of stability and disengagement from local community and committed fans can only lead in one direction, unless an owner has deep pockets and is prepared to bankroll over a sustained period.

Not sure what the answer is, because fan ownership can go bad too, as we'll no doubt hear in the pubs on Saturday.

Continue to be grateful for the people we have running our club, but remain fearful for what may happen in the future, particularly if we remain in the Prem.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:12 am

Leyton Orient were in a good position when Hearn sold them at the end of the 2013/14 season to Francesco Becchetti. They had finished 3rd in League One and lost the play-off final v Rotherham on penalties. Becchetti came in offering big contracts with big bonuses for promotion but they were immediately relegated with no provision for a drop in pay for those players. It turned out he was more interested in using the club for some Italian football reality show than supporting the club.

They are also on their ninth manager since he took over the club.

Shocking mess at Orient.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 3:34 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:WTF would orient have done with the Olympic Stadium!? At least West Ham can fill it despite all the controversy over their lease of it.

it may have been a white elephant for them but west ham getting it means they can give premier league tickets away to potential orient fans of the future

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 3:40 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:WTF would orient have done with the Olympic Stadium!? At least West Ham can fill it despite all the controversy over their lease of it.

Not really the point. It's a bit like Manchester United building a new stadium in Colne.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:05 pm

I think that there will always be "real" Leyton Orient fans as long as the club exists. (See our 2,300.) West Ham story is still not fully written. There will always be those supporters who seek an intimate relationship with their club. They're certainly not getting it at West Ham these days. Maybe they're gloryhunters, but it's very limited glory.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:10 pm

Italian owners appear to be a nightmare. Leeds and now Orient

aclaretinstevenage · Post by **aclaretinstevenage** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:31 pm

The Italian owner would go if he got his £4 million purchase price back, today in the Standard Hearn is quoted as saying he will "pitch in if the supporters group proposal has legs" so maybe there is renewed hope but only maybe. I saw them at Stevenage on Tuesday night and the team is really poor so saving the club maybe one thing but certainly staying in the League is looking seriously unlikely with the current team / squad.

When you think how we've suddenly secured enough wealth to spend relatively big money on players, and the like of Wenger / Mourinho / Guardiola are being paid salaries of more than the £4million asking price for a club with a bit of history it shows how distorted football has become in the Premier League era. I suppose just be grateful that through prudent stewardship of the club finances and getting the right manager in place we have reasonably steady future prospects - certainly in the short term.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:35 pm

Any kind of foreign ownership is bad. Didn't it all start with that American bloke who bought ChesterFC years ago? They have yet to recover.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:51 pm

Terry Smith was his name and football was certainly not his game

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:23 pm

ontario claret wrote:Any kind of foreign ownership is bad. Didn't it all start with that American bloke who bought ChesterFC years ago? They have yet to recover.

Im sure Chelsea, City and even United would disagree with this. Plus Bournemouth, Southampton and more.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:49 am

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:Not really the point. It's a bit like Manchester United building a new stadium in Colne.

You need to get your facts straight. It's nothing like United building a stadium in Colne. The Olympic Stadium was built in Newham which is the same borough as West Ham's Boleyn Ground. Orient are in Waltham Forest.

It's like an Stadium being built in Hapton, us moving into it and Stanley kicking off.

mrhungryone · Post by **mrhungryone** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:33 pm

Well spotted....and thats a big plus in west ham getting it...though im sure leyton is nearer to the stadium than the boleyn ground.end of story on that one then.

Sarum · Post by **Sarum** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:17 pm

The Boleyn ground was further from the Olympic stadium than Leyton is, but then the Boleyn Ground wasn't in West Ham either. If you live in West Ham itself then you're directly adjacant to Stratford, which has long had a big West Ham following. Hardly surprising given the fact that West Ham town hall was on Stratford Broadway, a toilet roll's throw from the Olympic stadium.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:41 pm

Surely Barry Hearn has a responsibility here.

mrhungryone · Post by **mrhungryone** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:40 pm

Sarum wrote:The Boleyn ground was further from the Olympic stadium than Leyton is, but then the Boleyn Ground wasn't in West Ham either. If you live in West Ham itself then you're directly adjacant to Stratford, which has long had a big West Ham following. Hardly surprising given the fact that West Ham town hall was on Stratford Broadway, a toilet roll's throw from the Olympic stadium.

I lived in Stratford for a couple of years and West Ham fans were scarce on the ground.never saw many in their colours if any.

Bop · Post by **Bop** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:46 pm

I'm sure they were up the 1st division with us for a while.

Sarum · Post by **Sarum** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:56 pm

Not sure when that would've been MrH, but the area's populace has changed a bit in recent years (since the build up to/post the Olympics). Certainly in 60s, 70s and 80s Stratford was one of a number of WHU heartlands (but not exclusively so, with Orient also not far away.)

mrhungryone · Post by **mrhungryone** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:07 pm

Sarum wrote:Not sure when that would've been MrH, but the area's populace has changed a bit in recent years (since the build up to/post the Olympics). Certainly in 60s, 70s and 80s Stratford was one of a number of WHU heartlands (but not exclusively so, with Orient also not far away.)

Yea your correct with your observations..the noughties for me.you could go in the goose on Broadway pre match and as an away fan have no problems..I bet that's now changed,didn't bob in on our game at the Olympics stadium this season.on a personal note love the area.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:02 pm

Actually, cricketfields, my friend, I would argue that gazillionaires owning football clubs is bad in a more fundamental way, foreign or not. Clubs should always be based on the people who support them, not the egos of their owners. Abramovich at Chelsea is a prime example. Nobody is even sure where he got his money from. Is he just a front man for the Russian mafia? Certainly, it was obtained by some shady means. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned and look back on the days when every club in the top flight had a real shot at the title at the start of the year. Wolves winning 3 times in the '50s doesn't look so bad now, especially if you were a Wolves fan, which my best friend's father growing up was. (They were from Stourbridge.)

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:37 pm

And Leyton Orient have spent a total of one year in the top flight in their entire existence.

LS7 · Post by **LS7** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:40 pm

Come on orient - I hope they stay up. Went a few times when I lived in Leytonstone.

LS7 · Post by **LS7** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:43 pm

I don't think 'foreignness' is the driving factor here - it's a) honest commitment (not asset stripping), b) experience c) capital.

Nationality doesn't seem to be important really.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:11 pm

Leyton Orient will always have a soft spot in true Claret hearts. Wasn't Frank Clarke their manager who said, "We might have a quibble with the result, but never with the outcome", or words to that effect, after the famous game in 1987? Class. Pure class.

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:40 pm

I used to run the Ladbrokes in Plaistow in the 80s. You never saw an Orient fan even though it's just down the road. All West Ham, bit of Spurs.

I used to love playing at Leytonstone's ground up the other end, even scored there once. Think it's closed now.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:05 am

ontario claret wrote:And Leyton Orient have spent a total of one year in the top flight in their entire existence.

They came up in 62 with Liverpool but went straight down.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:18 am

ontario claret wrote:Leyton Orient will always have a soft spot in true Claret hearts. Wasn't Frank Clarke their manager who said, "We might have a quibble with the result, but never with the outcome", or words to that effect, after the famous game in 1987? Class. Pure class.

Telling the press later that he was advised to throw the game was far less classy.

ClaretnGreen · Post by **ClaretnGreen** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:11 am

I was staying in Newport last night ready for short trip to Swansea and Leyton Orient team staying here also for game against relegation candidates Newport County .I asked one player at Brekkie about game and he said they are up for it and desperate to turn things round .

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:59 pm

Never heard that one, FamilyCat. But I do think that the entire nation was relieved when we stayed up. Burnley has a soft spot in most true football supporters' hearts.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:27 pm

Besides, being advised to do one thing and actually doing it are two entirely different things. How does being truthful with the press make you a worse person?

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 7:41 pm

Accy Stanley passing the bucket round for Orient at their home game tonight.
(R lancs)

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 7:50 pm

******* shambles that league clubs are allowed to go out of business with all the money floating around in the Premier League

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:51 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:******* shambles that league clubs are allowed to go out of business with all the money floating around in the Premier League

Nothing to do with the leagues or the money in the game. This one is totally down to appalling owners.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:59 pm

fair enough

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:06 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Nothing to do with the leagues or the money in the game. This one is totally down to appalling owners.

Hi CT, don't you think that its "the money in the game" that's the reason why there are so many "appalling owners?"

It always seems as though the "fit and proper" tests were set according to FIFA standards...

How many clubs are there where the fans want the owners to sell/move on?

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mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:07 pm

More often than not these appalling owners of clubs are foreign owners who seem to sack their managers once a month if results don't go their way.

colne-claret · Post by **colne-claret** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:43 pm

I went to Accy tonight with an Orient supporting mate. They are woeful. Made Stanley look like Barcelona. He said after the game that they are doomed. Shame really. Good following from their fans tonight.

9thMay1987 · Post by **9thMay1987** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:56 am

Bottom of league and winding up order next week. Does not not good.

Their supporters via LOFT have raised £90k fighting fund and there is interest to buy the club but if next week goes wrong then its admin and redundancies to follow.

30 years from that game and will be sad to see them go.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:02 am

Paul Waine wrote:Hi CT, don't you think that its "the money in the game" that's the reason why there are so many "appalling owners?"

It always seems as though the "fit and proper" tests were set according to FIFA standards...

How many clubs are there where the fans want the owners to sell/move on?

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Lots of clubs have those sort of fans, who want managers / owners to bugger off.
That isn't the FA's or money's fault, it's the expectations of the fans that's the issue in a large number cases.

I'm sure we've had similar demands on here or CM for our owners to sell up after we got relegated last time with Dyche in charge, just like we've still got fans now who'd happily see Dyche leave.

Rovers - they wanted investment / new owners and were all giddy when the Venkys took over.

Portsmouth - I've seen their fans gloating about all the bills they've avoided paying etc.

Reading - Really happy when Madjeski sold them to that Russian bloke and when he turned out to be a waste of time, happy when the Thai's arrived.
Before this season they wanted the Thai's out too and if they miss out on promotion I'd expect to see the fans whining about the owners again.

The fans want owners to pour money into their clubs, you'll be hard pressed to find a large number of fans at any club who're happy to see their club run sensibly and built up slowly.
There was a comment on the cocaine thread about people today needing instant gratification etc, the same can be applied to football.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:13 am

Sidney1st wrote:Lots of clubs have those sort of fans, who want managers / owners to bugger off.
That isn't the FA's or money's fault, it's the expectations of the fans that's the issue in a large number cases.

I'm sure we've had similar demands on here or CM for our owners to sell up after we got relegated last time with Dyche in charge, just like we've still got fans now who'd happily see Dyche leave.

Rovers - they wanted investment / new owners and were all giddy when the Venkys took over.

Portsmouth - I've seen their fans gloating about all the bills they've avoided paying etc.

Reading - Really happy when Madjeski sold them to that Russian bloke and when he turned out to be a waste of time, happy when the Thai's arrived.
Before this season they wanted the Thai's out too and if they miss out on promotion I'd expect to see the fans whining about the owners again.

The fans want owners to pour money into their clubs, you'll be hard pressed to find a large number of fans at any club who're happy to see their club run sensibly and built up slowly.
There was a comment on the cocaine thread about people today needing instant gratification etc, the same can be applied to football.

I think you need to take a look at the situation at Leyton Orient and what's happened since the new owners came in.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:21 am

Sidney1st wrote:Lots of clubs have those sort of fans, who want managers / owners to bugger off.
That isn't the FA's or money's fault, it's the expectations of the fans that's the issue in a large number cases.

I'm sure we've had similar demands on here or CM for our owners to sell up after we got relegated last time with Dyche in charge, just like we've still got fans now who'd happily see Dyche leave.

Rovers - they wanted investment / new owners and were all giddy when the Venkys took over.

Portsmouth - I've seen their fans gloating about all the bills they've avoided paying etc.

Reading - Really happy when Madjeski sold them to that Russian bloke and when he turned out to be a waste of time, happy when the Thai's arrived.
Before this season they wanted the Thai's out too and if they miss out on promotion I'd expect to see the fans whining about the owners again.

The fans want owners to pour money into their clubs, you'll be hard pressed to find a large number of fans at any club who're happy to see their club run sensibly and built up slowly.
There was a comment on the cocaine thread about people today needing instant gratification etc, the same can be applied to football.

Hi Sidney, I agree about the demand for "instant gratification" - and I agree about the "publicity" owners who buy a club to promote their business brand, but don't know how football works (who knew you could get relegated....), but I'm sure that some clubs are only bought to launder "dodgy money" - but these guys still get past the "fit and proper" tests.