If a General Election was called...

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:18 pm

If a General Election was called for next Thursday how would you vote, and has it changed since May 2015 ?

Has Corbyn put you off voting Labour ? Are you a UKIP voter, who may return to their original party now the Brexit process has started ? Has the Lib Dems call for a 2nd Referendum attracted you to them, or made you shy away from them ? Are the pressures on NHS and Local Authority funding making you reconsider your Conservative support or are you a previous Green or smaller leftist party voter ( TUSC etc ) who'll move to Labour now they've a proper " Socialist " leader ?? .............

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:21 pm

As a working class northerner, I'll always vote labour, even if I disagree with their policies.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:23 pm

^^^^^^^^
**** flaps

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:32 pm

Tory.

However if David Miliband was running the Labour party I'd have a serious think about it, because I suspect Labour would've won an election with him in charge instead of his wetwipe of a brother.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:59 pm

couldnt vote labour with corbyn in charge

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:33 pm

If a General Election was called it would make a mockery of our legislative process because the purpose of the Fixed-Term Parliament Act was to stop Prime Ministers calling elections at politically convenient times.

But anyway, i'd vote Greens if they put someone up, Lib Dem if they don't unless they're stupid enough to put up someone who doesn't believe in equality again. Then it'd be Labour.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:34 pm

Saxoman wrote:As a working class northerner, I'll always vote labour, even if I disagree with their policies.

That seems a bit closed-minded.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:37 pm

Tories for southerners first. Always have always will..

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:51 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:That seems a bit closed-minded.

There's a few people on here like that.

They aren't willing to look at what the party wants to do, they just vote for the party regardless.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:58 pm

Sidney1st wrote:There's a few people on here like that.

They aren't willing to look at what the party wants to do, they just vote for the party regardless.

It's a problem encouraged by the current FPTP system. People think only two parties can win, and they're right, so they choose the lesser of two evils and close their minds to the others. It's just one of the many reasons we need to get with of this ****** up voting system.

Mrpotatohead · Post by **Mrpotatohead** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:05 pm

I was thinking about this the other day. There would be people who would usually vote tory but don't want to leave the EU who may vote for another party who say as part of there election pledge that they would to try stop brexit. Equally, there will be people who would usually vote for others who may be tempted to vote tory in order to leave the EU. It would make for an interesting election though I'm surprised Theresa May didn't call one when she won the Conservative leadership because let's face it, Labour are in such disarray that the Conservatives would most likely further increase their majority and she'd get a longer term as prime minister.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:16 pm

I've never been one to vote for a particular party no matter what, I tend to vote for who ever appears best at dealing with the major issues at the time.
At the moment, only the tories appear capable of running the country. None of the others appear either capable or united enough for government.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:23 pm

Would have to be tories.
No idea why people would vote for the greens. There just for hippies and folk from Brighton?

1968claret · Post by **1968claret** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:38 pm

Right_winger wrote:Would have to be tories.
No idea why people would vote for the greens. There just for hippies and folk from Brighton?

Given your username, that was a pretty safe bet:)

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:38 pm

Right_winger wrote:Would have to be tories.
No idea why people would vote for the greens. There just for hippies and folk from Brighton?

Can you explain why people from Brighton or hippies would vote for the GreenParty, unless you are just being homophobic.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:38 pm

The Corbyn question is an interesting one. The majority of Brexit voters polled during the summer cited fears about housing, jobs, the NHS, and education as reasons for voting out. Overwhelmingly voters appear to be tired of untrustworthy politicians saying whatever it takes to get elected, and ripping the system off as much as possible. And even Conservative voters tend to favour re-nationalisation of railways and utilities. A majority of non-conservatives believe the rich should be taxed more. Going by these benchmarks Corbyn should be out of sight ahead in the polls. A political outsider who has voted with his conscience, his expense claims extremely modest, and an attitude to PR that is the opposite of the shiny-faced spin-doctored automatons that we know are motivated by personal ambition and who we profess to hate so much. Over and above nationalising utilities and the railways, he's said his priorities are building more housing, fully funding the NHS and education, and creating good jobs through this funding and investments in green and new technologies. To top it all off taxing the rich is on the agenda to fund this, so as to redistribute wealth around the economy.

Considering the degree to which the media has attacked him - and in this you would think the fact the establishment are afraid of him would add to his credentials - it's quite remarkable how compliant much of the British public are in doing as they're told (and not looking out for their own interests).

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:42 pm

AndrewJB wrote:The Corbyn question is an interesting one. The majority of Brexit voters polled during the summer cited fears about housing, jobs, the NHS, and education as reasons for voting out. Overwhelmingly voters appear to be tired of untrustworthy politicians saying whatever it takes to get elected, and ripping the system off as much as possible. And even Conservative voters tend to favour re-nationalisation of railways and utilities. A majority of non-conservatives believe the rich should be taxed more. Going by these benchmarks Corbyn should be out of sight ahead in the polls. A political outsider who has voted with his conscience, his expense claims extremely modest, and an attitude to PR that is the opposite of the shiny-faced spin-doctored automatons that we know are motivated by personal ambition and who we profess to hate so much. Over and above nationalising utilities and the railways, he's said his priorities are building more housing, fully funding the NHS and education, and creating good jobs through this funding and investments in green and new technologies. To top it all off taxing the rich is on the agenda to fund this, so as to redistribute wealth around the economy.

Considering the degree to which the media has attacked him - and in this you would think the fact the establishment are afraid of him would add to his credentials - it's quite remarkable how compliant much of the British public are in doing as they're told (and not looking out for their own interests).

What a really well considered post. It has made me rethink my opinion on Mr Corbyn.

Wexford_Claret · Post by **Wexford_Claret** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:44 pm

Britain: Labour
Ireland: PBPA

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:55 pm

AndrewJB wrote:The Corbyn question is an interesting one. The majority of Brexit voters polled during the summer cited fears about housing, jobs, the NHS, and education as reasons for voting out. Overwhelmingly voters appear to be tired of untrustworthy politicians saying whatever it takes to get elected, and ripping the system off as much as possible. And even Conservative voters tend to favour re-nationalisation of railways and utilities. A majority of non-conservatives believe the rich should be taxed more. Going by these benchmarks Corbyn should be out of sight ahead in the polls. A political outsider who has voted with his conscience, his expense claims extremely modest, and an attitude to PR that is the opposite of the shiny-faced spin-doctored automatons that we know are motivated by personal ambition and who we profess to hate so much. Over and above nationalising utilities and the railways, he's said his priorities are building more housing, fully funding the NHS and education, and creating good jobs through this funding and investments in green and new technologies. To top it all off taxing the rich is on the agenda to fund this, so as to redistribute wealth around the economy.

Considering the degree to which the media has attacked him - and in this you would think the fact the establishment are afraid of him would add to his credentials - it's quite remarkable how compliant much of the British public are in doing as they're told (and not looking out for their own interests).

Sublime post. I've had a version of this in my head for a while - just nowhere near as eloquent.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:04 pm

Tories all day long.
No credible alternatives

Wexford_Claret · Post by **Wexford_Claret** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:04 pm

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:Sublime post. I've had a version of this in my head for a while - just nowhere near as eloquent.

Agree. Great post.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:10 pm

Clarets4me wrote:If a General Election was called for next Thursday how would you vote, and has it changed since May 2015 ?

Has Corbyn put you off voting Labour ? Are you a UKIP voter, who may return to their original party now the Brexit process has started ? Has the Lib Dems call for a 2nd Referendum attracted you to them, or made you shy away from them ? Are the pressures on NHS and Local Authority funding making you reconsider your Conservative support or are you a previous Green or smaller leftist party voter ( TUSC etc ) who'll move to Labour now they've a proper " Socialist " leader ?? .............

I would vote to swerve this forum,and the dullard fest that would be going on.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:34 pm

dpinsussex wrote:Tories all day long.
No credible alternatives

I'm not sure the Tories are credible either. I honestly don't think I could vote for anybody. They say it doesn't matter who you vote for, just make sure you vote. I disagree. I think you should only vote if you've carefully considered the options and feel comfortable in voting for one of those options. I know many will disagree however

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:41 pm

Can somebody break down in simple terms what is wrong with corbyn?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:42 pm

As a gainfully employed person, in receipt of absolutely no benefits, I'd probably vote conservative

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:42 pm

Saxoman wrote:Can somebody break down in simple terms what is wrong with corbyn?

Stop trolling you massive cock

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:47 pm

Damo wrote:As a gainfully employed person, in receipt of absolutely no benefits, I'd probably vote conservative

I'm alright jack.

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:48 pm

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:49 pm

Saxoman wrote:Can somebody break down in simple terms what is wrong with corbyn?

Ha ha don't bother the dullards Saxo,or there will be threads dedicated to banning you.

levraiclaret · Post by **levraiclaret** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:51 pm

right now, I would vote for the party that didn't support brexit lies.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:00 pm

bartons baggage wrote:Ha ha don't bother the dullards Saxo,or there will be threads dedicated to banning you.

I'm serious! Bugger off damo.

I don't understand politics very well at all and would like to know the problem with corbyn.?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:01 pm

There's only one party ever done anything for the ordinary guy, and it isn't about to change.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:07 pm

One thing I do know is under Thatchers Tories I went to school in the worst antiquated hovel of a depressing, cold ugly place imaginable, expected to gain education under awful conditions. I look around now at shiney new top of the range academies left behind by the last labour government.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:10 pm

Saxoman wrote:One thing I do know is under Thatchers Tories I went to school in the worst antiquated hovel of a depressing, cold ugly place imaginable, expected to gain education under awful conditions. I look around now at shiney new top of the range academies left behind by the last labour government.

As a result of massive overspending to please the general public
Aka buying votes

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:11 pm

dpinsussex wrote:As a result of massive overspending to please the general public

Massive lottery funding too maybe?

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:13 pm

dpinsussex wrote:As a result of massive overspending to please the general public
Aka buying votes

I'm sure the Tories will keep up the building of shiney new academies.. In the south..

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:19 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'm alright jack.

My grandad worked the mines. He hated thatcher and the tories and in turn, so did I.
He always assured me Labour was the party for the working man.
Then Blair got elected.
Made it more profitable to have loads of kids, pretend to be disabled etc and I soldiered on working instead of sitting on my arse for a living.
Now my tax code let's me earn more before paying tax. My next door neighbour has been forced to find a job instead of playing golf 5 days per week.
His kids don't get more holidays per year, to more exotic destinations than mine and I'm starting to see some benefit to setting my alarm each morning.
I'll vote whatever party suits me and mine the best thank you

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:20 pm

dpinsussex wrote:As a result of massive overspending to please the general public
Aka buying votes

Not necessarily having a dig but you've raised the issue of Labour spending "too much" on public service and buying votes whereas the Tories have been frugal with the countries finances...? Have they?

I don't actually know the truth or what the answers actually are, hence asking on here.

Is it true that the national debt is nearly 2 trillion pounds? Which is, I am led to believe, 3 times the amount it was when Labour left power.

The other question is - who is the debt owed to? Genuinely interested in who people think we owe the money to

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:21 pm

Saxoman wrote:I'm sure the Tories will keep up the building of shiney new academies.. In the south..

Didn't your obsession with schools get you into trouble once?

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:24 pm

Damo wrote:My grandad worked the mines. He hated thatcher and the tories and in turn, so did I.
He always assured me Labour was the party for the working man.
Then Blair got elected.
Made it more profitable to have loads of kids, pretend to be disabled etc and I soldiered on working instead of sitting on my arse for a living.
Now my tax code let's me earn more before paying tax. My next door neighbour has been forced to find a job instead of playing golf 5 days per week.
His kids don't get more holidays per year, to more exotic destinations than mine and I'm starting to see some benefit to setting my alarm each morning.
I'll vote whatever party suits me and mine the best thank you

Get stuffed. I've been on mental health sick for 6 years and under this bloody government I've been booted off with no explaination, no support and no chance of getting a decent job with no recent work record. They are TW*TS.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:27 pm

Saxoman wrote:Get stuffed. I've been on mental health sick for 6 years and under this bloody government I've been booted off with no explaination and no chance of getting a decent job with no recent work record. They are TW*TS.

My heart bleeds for you pal

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:29 pm

Damo wrote:Didn't your obsession with schools get you into trouble once?

Tory wierdo.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:30 pm

Damo wrote:My heart bleeds for you pal

I hope ur kids.. Nah, won't sink to ur level..

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:32 pm

Saxoman wrote:I hope ur kids.. Nah, won't sink to ur level..

If you met my level, you certainly wouldn't be sinking

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:34 pm

dpinsussex wrote:As a result of massive overspending to please the general public
Aka buying votes

Because the Tories don't buy the votes of their City backers do they ?
And it wasn't overspending it's called redistributing wealth

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:34 pm

Back to the OP folks.. Can anyone tell me the problem with corbyn?

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:36 pm

'But anyway, i'd vote Greens if they put someone up'

Biggest fascists going.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:38 pm

joey13 wrote:Because the Tories don't buy the votes of their City backers do they ?
And it wasn't overspending it's called redistributing wealth

Redistributing wealth haha. Is that what it's called?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:47 pm

Saxoman wrote:One thing I do know is under Thatchers Tories I went to school in the worst antiquated hovel of a depressing, cold ugly place imaginable, expected to gain education under awful conditions. I look around now at shiney new top of the range academies left behind by the last labour government.

Wigan is still a dump, it was when Labour were in power, it was before Labour and Blair were in power.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:49 pm

Saxoman wrote:Get stuffed. I've been on mental health sick for 6 years and under this bloody government I've been booted off with no explaination, no support and no chance of getting a decent job with no recent work record. They are TW*TS.

So you've been signed off sick but splitting your time living in France or the UK depending on who you're hiding from?

You won't get much sympathy on here.