ARTICLE: I’ve been reasonably happy with the performances away from home

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:32 pm

David Moyes & Sean Dyche on today's game

See link
http://www.uptheclarets.com/ive-been-re ... -from-home

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:37 pm

SD has very low expectations then.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:40 pm

ablueclaret wrote:SD has very low expectations then.

Belt up you ******* tool

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:18 pm

3 points out of 45 not figures most managers would be salivating over.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:21 pm

Bring in McInnes as away team manager. Job done.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:23 pm

ablueclaret wrote:3 points out of 45 not figures most managers would be salivating over.

Let's just look at games we've won.

27 points from 27. SD is the greatest manager of all time!

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:26 pm

You ignore your weaknesses at your peril. Probably the stupidest statement yet from SD reveals he is not facing the evidence in front of his and our eyes.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:27 pm

ablueclaret wrote:3 points out of 45 not figures most managers would be salivating over.

He said "reasonably happy with performances", and not.... crop smokingly well toasted down the allotment happy.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:28 pm

ablueclaret wrote:3 points out of 45 not figures most managers would be salivating over.

How doesn't this: "Overall, I’ve been reasonably happy with the performances away from home" get twisted into "salivating"?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:30 pm

Well if he's reasonably happy with 3 points out of 45' then next year maybe 0 points out of 45 might be seen as a triumph.
It's just nonsense spin, evading his failure to address the matter.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:32 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Well if he's reasonably happy with 3 points out of 45'

Still struggling with what he actually said then?

Would you like it in braille?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:33 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Well if he's reasonably happy with 3 points out of 45' then next year maybe 0 points out of 45 might be seen as a triumph.
It's just nonsense spin, evading his failure to address the matter.

It's your spin that's nonsense.

Until the PL make us play every game away from home, it's irrelevant. The only one that counts is 32 points from 29 games.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:35 pm

So you're happy with three points from 45, fine, but don't count me in on that.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:35 pm

Sd is reasonably happy with performances . Fair enough we have shown some good stuff this year.
Guaranteed he his disappointed with the points return from those games.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:37 pm

Leaving aside the usual noise that surrounds ABC, he's right about today's performance.

There's no way that Dyche can be truly happy with today's performance. Sunderland were attrocious, but we lacked penetration and quality in the first half and the second half was dreadful.

Creating two, perhaps three decent chances in 90 minutes against a team as awful as Sunderland is not good and it shouldn't be dressed up as anything else than disappointing. We've shown at home we're a much, much better team than that.

In 3 of these 4 away games we've been really disappointing, particularly in the final third. We've done so much better at home and we've got to find a way of doing better at home too.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:37 pm

ablueclaret wrote:So you're happy with three points from 45, fine, but don't count me in on that.

I genuinely believe that you're happy we've only got those three points away from home because you in no way support Burnley

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:38 pm

ablueclaret wrote:So you're happy with three points from 45, fine, but don't count me in on that.

No, I'm happy with 32 points from 87.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:44 pm

claretspice wrote:Leaving aside the usual noise that surrounds ABC, he's right about today's performance.

He hasn't said anything about today's performance.

Please feel free to carry on though.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:02 pm

claretspice wrote:Leaving aside the usual noise that surrounds ABC, he's right about today's performance.

There's no way that Dyche can be truly happy with today's performance. Sunderland were attrocious, but we lacked penetration and quality in the first half and the second half was dreadful.

Creating two, perhaps three decent chances in 90 minutes against a team as awful as Sunderland is not good and it shouldn't be dressed up as anything else than disappointing. We've shown at home we're a much, much better team than that.

In 3 of these 4 away games we've been really disappointing, particularly in the final third. We've done so much better at home and we've got to find a way of doing better at home too.

"We've done so much better at home and we've got to find a way of doing better at home too"

Couldn't agree more apart from beating virtually every team put in front of us this season so far.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:12 pm

tybfc wrote:"We've done so much better at home and we've got to find a way of doing better at home too"

Couldn't agree more apart from beating virtually every team put in front of us this season so far.

As i think was fairly obvious, that should have read "we've got to find a way of doing better away too".

At home weve moved the ball quickly, directly and instinctively. Absolutely none of those things were on show today, and our quality in the final third was shocking - as it was at Hull. Sunderland were of the calibre of a rank bad Championship side but we were ponderous, imprecise and toothless.

Added to which we've seen a few teams neuter us by simply defending deep and narrow, giving our deep midfielders and centre backs the ball and wait until they dwell on it. I'll defend Dyche to the hilt but he will know our possession football has to improve. As does our general execution of the game plan on the road.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:21 pm

Let's be honest, with one or two notable exceptions, performances as well as results have been largely rank away from home.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:31 pm

ablueclaret wrote:So you're happy with three points from 45, fine, but don't count me in on that.

With the upmost respect I don't think anybody on this board counts you in for anything, certainly anything positive.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:05 am

To be fair, we were always in the game and baring a few refereeing decision could have won that.

Wait until we start playing the teams in and around us.

We will beat Boro away, definitely.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:07 am

ablueclaret wrote:You ignore your weaknesses at your peril. Probably the stupidest statement yet from SD reveals he is not facing the evidence in front of his and our eyes.

When you comment on the stupidest statement, I assume you are referring to the absolute nonsense you are posting.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:22 am

That Barnes chance at the end of the first half had to be converted. We dominated the first half but going in at half time at 0-0 I felt our chance of winning the game had been missed.

We lost our momentum over the break and didn't really get going again in the second half, whereas Sunderland clearly had a rocket fired up them, because they were a different team in the second half.

I think we persevered with our workman like midfield for too long, and it's a shame Defour didn't get on because I think a little bit of quality could have won that game. The quality of both teams in the opposition's half was shocking.

A point isn't bad, mind. It's another point, and we didn't get beat. It's just a bit frustrating not to have come away with all three, because they were there for the taking. A little more ambition from us and I think we coule have won that.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:46 am

After that, I do now believe we won't win an away game.

Sunderland were rank bad. We were no better.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:01 pm

If we"re truly honest, we have to conclude that 3 points from 45 is completely below par - luckily enough we have gained so many points at home, but we cannot count on that in future.

Obviously, if SD manages to keep us up this season, the man deserves a statue.

Nevertheless, I am of the opinion that our set up away from home has been too predictable, one-dimensional, and conservatory. At various times, I felt he could have used the substitutes available to push on and gain something more from the game (f.eg. WHU at H/T, Manchester City after going down to 10,...)

If we're truly honest, the game on Saturday was devout of any real quality from both sides - and our passing in the attacking half of the field was dire.

Question is whether the gaffer can address this in mid-season. To be truthful, I'd love to believe it but I have my doubts whether he'll be able to. We did good on the transfer market this season, but still need a big influx of new players during the summer.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:07 pm

I don't think we can underestimate the importance of a pre-season to allow the players we have brought in to gel. We've signed Defour, Gudmundsson, Westwood, Hendrick and Brady to upgrade the technical quality of the midfield this season. They are all upgrades on what they have replaced, but only one who had any sort of pre-season with us was Gudmundsson. In that area of the park I'm not sure we do need more bodies this summer - perhaps a winger with some genuine pace to complete the compliment, but with Barton and Arfield also in the mix we have just about every sort of player covered off.

What I think we will need - irrespective of whether Gray stays or goes - is a bit more quality in the "number 10" role. There are lots of reasons, but I suspect a big factor in the fact we've got less points on the road this season than 2 years ago, is that then, we had Danny Ings linking midfield and attack, dropping deep, turning and leading the counter attack. Now we have Ashley Barnes and for all Barnes' attributes, he's just not as good at it as Ings was.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:11 pm

One goal in the first half and it would have been the end of Sunderland, who had lost heart.

Unfortunately, chances missed.

We edge slowly but surely forward, one match at a time.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:35 pm

At least SD put Brady left this time.Sadly he's still bedding into the framework and lost us possession leading to a couplée of their attacks, but surely against a side sitting adrift at the bottom of the table we should have displayed better intent by playing him from the start at the expense of Arfield

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:36 pm

(Edit: didn't réalisé my iPod spoke French)

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:37 pm

claretspice wrote:As i think was fairly obvious, that should have read "we've got to find a way of doing better away too".

At home weve moved the ball quickly, directly and instinctively. Absolutely none of those things were on show today, and our quality in the final third was shocking - as it was at Hull. Sunderland were of the calibre of a rank bad Championship side but we were ponderous, imprecise and toothless.

Added to which we've seen a few teams neuter us by simply defending deep and narrow, giving our deep midfielders and centre backs the ball and wait until they dwell on it. I'll defend Dyche to the hilt but he will know our possession football has to improve. As does our general execution of the game plan on the road.

Absolutely spot on.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:38 pm

Except Arfield was about our best player yesterday and was also good at Arfield - as reflected by the fact Boyd has been replaced by Brady in both games. It'd have been Boyd rather than Arfield who would logically have made way

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:40 pm

Belgianclaret wrote:If we"re truly honest, we have to conclude that 3 points from 45 is completely below par - luckily enough we have gained so many points at home, but we cannot count on that in future.

Obviously, if SD manages to keep us up this season, the man deserves a statue.

Nevertheless, I am of the opinion that our set up away from home has been too predictable, one-dimensional, and conservatory. At various times, I felt he could have used the substitutes available to push on and gain something more from the game (f.eg. WHU at H/T, Manchester City after going down to 10,...)

If we're truly honest, the game on Saturday was devout of any real quality from both sides - and our passing in the attacking half of the field was dire.

Question is whether the gaffer can address this in mid-season. To be truthful, I'd love to believe it but I have my doubts whether he'll be able to. We did good on the transfer market this season, but still need a big influx of new players during the summer.

A window into your thoughts and hard to argue with any of it. Let`s hope we can play a more extension style of play away from home next season.

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:57 pm

We have made it even more difficult to get the away win we all crave,its gets more and more difficult the longer we carry this monkey
The teams we play dont want to be the first team to lose at home to us so they put in an shift to make sure they dont carry the can of it being them.
But in saying that we make teams look like world beaters.Take Swansea for instance after us they played Hull and lost and yesterday Palace smashed them.
We are travel sick and dont have a remedy to resolve the issue,we carry to many passengers in our away game woes. The plus point we are not getting smashed if you calculate how bad we are away in our last four away games goals 4 against 6
Looking at that and beyond its the same sequence baring when we where still settling in this league.
The positive that we are keeping our goal tally intact and could be worth an extra point Cometh the hour.
This team was highly tipped for relegation and I think some of us have got a bit a head of our stations.
We are doing marvelous and who knows we could still do a double over Everton Middlesbrough, Bournemouth and Palace thats a fact and I am glad to point it out UTC

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:00 pm

Well I have been to 6 away games this season and seen us pick up 3 points. Yesterdays performance was dire. We controlled the 1st half totally and created 1 chance of any note, the Barnes miss.

Yesterdays performance was way below the standard I expect from any EPL side. Dyche really needs to give his head a wobble along with his coaching staff and ask themselves, what are we doing wrong away from home and look at making changes. Sunderland were their for the taking 1st half and the last 10 min of the 2nd half and we had no idea how to break them down and create

NOT BL**DY GOOD ENOUGH DYCHE AND ALL TO BL**DY NEGATIVE

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:03 pm

I thought we were very good first half, completely controlled the game and were a Defour away from being more creative. Second half we were as bad as we were at Swansea

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:11 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:I thought we were very good first half, completely controlled the game and were a Defour away from being more creative. Second half we were as bad as we were at Swansea

We had a defour sitting on the bench with 1 sub remaining. Dissapointed again yesterday

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:14 pm

Yesterday there were arguments in the stands between the people grumbling at poor choices and misplaced passes, and the people grumbling at why some people grumble.

On here, you see a similar set of arguments, with an added dose of message board hyperbole not helped by Dyche spouting out nonsense that frustrates those who spent our wages going to the game.

If Dyche spoke the obvious, which is that we are struggling away from home to find the balance between keeping it tight and creating chances, and struggling to give the players mental freedom apart from against the top teams, that would help keep us all stay on the same page.

I think it's all down to the manager's tactics, I think he is way short of being good enough away from home, but is one of the best managers in the league at home. Overall I'm incredibly glad he is our manager. I don't expect him to admit it all 100% but I'd like him to suggest something that implies we might see different tactics in future games.

As it is, that's my away season over - flying back on Friday, travelling up, flying back overseas for work today, thats too much hassle for the turgid affair I witnessed yesterday and I have no confidence it will improve. We will stay up easily though - let's keep it in balance.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:52 pm

Logged in to 'like' the post by CrosspoolClarets.

That's as accurate assessment as you're likely to get.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:31 pm

10 for that CC.

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:40 pm

Yup can't disagree with any of that CC, good post