Scott Arfield interesting Benitez at Newcastle

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:40 pm

Bit in the paper and some stuff on Twitter

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:51 pm

If they get promoted they'll chuck shed loads of money at someone else.

If they miss out on promotion then he could well interest them.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:30 pm

So that's Tom, Keano, Super Scott, and Gray all definitely gone in the summer because who would want to play for little old plucky battlers Burnley when there are opportunities elsewhere.

edit: not a dig at the OP or anyone. Just amazed we are seen by the press as prime targets to sell players.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:41 pm

he can go for me

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:48 pm

Start the car ....

JPS71 · Post by **JPS71** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:56 pm

Hes a good squad player.
Hopefully though we get a lot better class in in the summer.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:52 pm

He would be very difficult to replace

We've not managed an upgrade on Dave Jones as yet

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:54 pm

Haven't we?

I thought we still passed the ball backwards like he used to do a lot allegedly.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:06 pm

He would be good for Newcastle blending in with their flair players.

Mind you I thought that about Dave Jones going to Sheff Wed but I don't think that's worked out as well as hoped.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:15 pm

By the sounds of it, if he decides to move it will be likely to the MLS.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:20 pm

He was a bigging up Moyes after Saturdays match. I had a thought he was opening options there.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:32 pm

Needs to remain as part of our squad.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:51 pm

A real cog in our team.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:50 pm

£8-10m and he can go.Has been the weak link in cm not his position and has struggled at times with consistency.
We need an upgrade , Defour type who can play a killer through ball

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:40 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:He would be very difficult to replace

We've not managed an upgrade on Dave Jones as yet

We have 3 CMs better than that donkey

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:49 pm

Scottie did well for Canada tonight. Well done lad

gricey44 · Post by **gricey44** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:56 pm

Substituted in last minute tonight. I didn't watch game but apparently injured. I hope only minor injury.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:57 pm

cutsy123 wrote:We have 3 CMs better than that donkey

Why would any Burnley fan refer to a Burnley player in such a nasty manner? I find it quite shocking.

Belial · Post by **Belial** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:00 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:£8-10m and he can go.Has been the weak link in cm not his position and has struggled at times with consistency.
We need an upgrade , Defour type who can play a killer through ball

No chance we would get that amount for him

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:07 pm

Good player. We would be poorer as a squad and club if we lost him.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:10 pm

Cutest 123 clearly a juvenile who has demonstrated he knows nothing about football. 'Jones a donkey' you can't have watched him much. File under Saxo and Imploding Turtle.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:13 pm

I think the challenge for Dyche this summer is to replace those that leave
with as good if not better players alongside playing a different and more adventurous formation.

Holtyclaret · Post by **Holtyclaret** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:53 pm

I thought englands formation tonight was a great shape that could suit an evolving Burnley.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:35 am

Blackrod wrote:Cutest 123 clearly a juvenile who has demonstrated he knows nothing about football. 'Jones a donkey' you can't have watched him much. File under Saxo and Imploding Turtle.

Watched him most games he played. Didnt get forward enuf for me. Too much backward passing. We are better off with your bartons hendricks and marneys

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:37 am

To be fair I think we have replaced Jones. Hendrick is good at retaining possession but has the ability and athleticism to drive forward too

Calling Jones a donkey is harsh though, he was a big cog in two promotion winning sides. I was gutted when he left but he would be our 5th best CM now if Marney was fit.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:39 am

Claretmatt4 wrote:To be fair I think we have replaced Jones. Hendrick is good at retaining possession but has the ability and athleticism to drive forward too

Calling Jones a donkey is harsh though, he was a big cog in two promotion winning sides. I was gutted when he left but he would be our 5th best CM now if Marney was fit.

I wasnt gutted when he left. We replaced him very quickly. Our current CMs are much better than Jones

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:42 am

We lost him pretty much the day we got Defour. Meaning we went from having 2 central midfielders to 2 central midfielders.

We only got Hendrick after the season started and Barton/Westwood came later.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:44 am

Claretmatt4 wrote:We lost him pretty much the day we got Defour. Meaning we went from having 2 central midfielders to 2 central midfielders.

We only got Hendrick after the season started and Barton/Westwood came later.

And all.of them are better tha jones. All 5

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:45 am

I agree, but you said we replaced him straight away and in my opinion we didn't.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:05 am

Whilst we are due an upgrade, without Scott Arfield we would not be where we are now.

He has been playing a variety of roles with never less than 100% commitment and has weighed in with some quality goals.

Never a shirker, moaner or attention seeker, simply professional.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:35 am

JohnMac wrote:Whilst we are due an upgrade, without Scott Arfield we would not be where we are now.

He has been playing a variety of roles with never less than 100% commitment and has weighed in with some quality goals.

Never a shirker, moaner or attention seeker, simply professional.

This. Scotty is a modern Clarets' Legend. I love his attitude, commitment, and not inconsiderable skill and application.
Yes I think we need to upgrade, if we stay up, but I would still like to see him here next season as cover.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:04 am

elwaclaret wrote:Why would any Burnley fan refer to a Burnley player in such a nasty manner? I find it quite shocking.

He's not a Burnley player, but I get where you're coming from.

Jones was an underated player, but to suggest he was the lynch pin in 2 promotions is stretching it, there are half a dozen ahead of him who we would have struggled to do it without.

Think the proof is in the fact he was the first one dropped when a better option came in, and was also allowed to move on in the summer. ( he is struggling at Sheffield W too, who play 5 across midfield and have "a sitter" )

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:16 am

Barton carried our midfield last year, wouldn't have been promoted if we didn't sign him.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:24 am

MACCA wrote:He's not a Burnley player, but I get where you're coming from.

Jones was an underated player, but to suggest he was the lynch pin in 2 promotions is stretching it, there are half a dozen ahead of him who we would have struggled to do it without.

Think the proof is in the fact he was the first one dropped when a better option came in, and was also allowed to move on in the summer. ( he is struggling at Sheffield W too, who play 5 across midfield and have "a sitter" )

Would that be Sheff Wed who've been chopping and changing their midfield and Jones hasn't really had the settled team or playing time that he had with us?

He was important to our team though for 2 promotions.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:53 am

Sidney1st wrote:Would that be Sheff Wed who've been chopping and changing their midfield and Jones hasn't really had the settled team or playing time that he had with us?

He was important to our team though for 2 promotions.

Yes it would. Just saying hasn't nailed down a place in a team that plays 3 central midfielders, and if he was so influential the manager wouldn't be chopping and changing.

I've only watched them once ( away at Wigan ) and Jones was woeful.

Did great for us and he had my support, but since leaving he's been hailed as almost single handedly getting us promoted twice. He was important, but they all were.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:17 am

I know this thread is about Arfield but it seems to have moved onto some questioning Jones. Short memories if you ask me. Jones to my mind fitted our system perfectly, just ask Deano and Joey.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:29 am

ashtonlongsider wrote: Jones to my mind fitted our system perfectly, just ask Deano and Joey.

Last point is a touch strange. As when both fit, they were ahead of Jones.

He was good in our promotion campaigns, but we wasn't some sort of 1 man team that fell apart if he didn't play, in fact we were stronger with Marney and Barton as a pair.

He did play in midfield in the premier league, first time round, which didn't cover itself in glory when Marney got injured.

We got rid at the right time as he wasn't as influence last season, and this season would have probably not featured.

He was decent, and was part of a great team, every player played a part but Jones was just as important as Kightly, arfield, Boyd, Mee, Ward.. need I go on?
To put it into perspective there would be a good halfa dozen names infront of him should we list our most influential players for our promotion seasons.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:12 pm

Jones promotion record says far more than any of his detractors can or will.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:25 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Barton carried our midfield last year, wouldn't have been promoted if we didn't sign him.

Who 'carried our midfield' two seasons earlier when we were promoted?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:27 pm

MACCA wrote:Jones was just as important as Kightly

No

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:37 pm

Tall Paul wrote:No

Care to elaborate, or is it 1 word answers only?

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:43 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Jones promotion record says far more than any of his detractors can or will.

But his relegation one doesn't count?

We are running round in circles ( no pun intended ) about a player who came, did a job then moved on as he wasn't good enough anymore.

He wasn't a savior, nothing to rave about but 1 of many cogs in a successful team. Anyone would think he was Gerrard esc.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:46 pm

MACCA wrote:Care to elaborate, or is it 1 word answers only?

No, Jones was far more important than Kightly.

Is that better?

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:48 pm

In your opinion of course.

In mine not so much so.

Kightly was instrumental in us going up, scored some very important goals, if my memory is correct.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:08 pm

MACCA wrote:But his relegation one doesn't count?

.

Thats fair enough but we are talking about his record at the level he is now at.

And its not his fault that in his one season at the top with us he only had one other cm to play alongside for half a season and none for the other half.

Its like Mee playing alongside Lowton at centre half and expecting him to still look as good.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:12 pm

Kightly's record at Burnley for 3 full seasons - played - 71 games, scored 6 goals, 5 of which were in his first season on loan with us.

David Jones' record for 3 full seasons - 123 games played, 2 goals scored.

Kightly chipped in with some goals during his first season, but overall I'd suggest Jones contributed more over the 3 seasons they were both with us for.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:17 pm

Whilst we're at it, over the same period Arfield played an almost identical number of games to Jones and scored 18 goals.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:33 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Kightly's record at Burnley for 3 full seasons - played - 71 games, scored 6 goals, 5 of which were in his first season on loan with us.

David Jones' record for 3 full seasons - 123 games played, 2 goals scored.

Kightly chipped in with some goals during his first season, but overall I'd suggest Jones contributed more over the 3 seasons they were both with us for.

I was discussing who had a more influential role in our promotion. Which with his half a dozen goals in the first season I think proves my point regarding kightly.

I think Jones did ok, but regarding each promotion I could name 5/6 more important/influential players ahead of him.

Just facts that's all. In no way am I trying to dismiss his contribution, just adding balance to the seemingly only option of him being our world class savior or awful and didn't deserve his place on the side.

I thought he did a job, nothing more, nothing less.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:47 pm

Its not facts though. He has been promoted in 4 out of his 5 championship seasons. Thats not coincidence.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:23 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Its not facts though. He has been promoted in 4 out of his 5 championship seasons. Thats not coincidence.

I can assure you they're facts.

So out of both promotions you cant name 5/6 more influential players than Jones?

Ulverstad , Darikwa , Lowton and Hennings have 100% records of being promoted to the premier league..

A statue outside each stand would be fitting to recognise such a great achievement IMO