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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:16 pm

And on a more positive note I think Vokes did really well when he came on. Ward did well throughout. Hendrick quiet but had moments.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Blyclaret » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:39 pm

Just watched tackle again
It's worse than I thought
He's a ******* thug
Should never be let on a football pitch again

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Blyclaret » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:41 pm

Imagine if that was an English player that broke his leg
Think the fence sitters would have something to say more than
Think it might be a red card

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by claretburns » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:43 pm

Blyclaret wrote:Just watched tackle again
It's worse than I thought
He's a ******* thug
Should never be let on a football pitch again
Let's not go over the top, any Burnley player could make a challenge like that next week should he be the banned forever?

Give me one other moment when Neil Taylor has made a challenge like that?

It's a bad challenge but he certainly didn't go into it to break Coleman's leg.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by minnieclaret » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:45 pm

The Enclosure wrote:That looks as bad as the horrific injury that ended David Busst's career playing for coventry against man utd.
Not quite, Bussts was a protruding bone through his sock. The reason Peter Schmeichel threw up in his area. It left Busst with one leg shorter than the other.
Hopefully, as horrendous as it looks, it is a clean break and can be pinned.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Blyclaret » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:45 pm

You don't need another example.
Is one not enough.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Blyclaret » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:46 pm

That will end Colemans career
It should end Taylor's too
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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Rowls » Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:01 am

claretburns wrote:Said at the time of the challenge that Coleman will be lucky to play again, certainly the top the level, the replays and images don't change my mind
Blyclaret wrote:That will end Colemans career
Far too early to say this and he has every chance of playing football professionally at the same level again.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:18 am

Blyclaret wrote:Imagine if that was an English player that broke his leg
Think the fence sitters would have something to say more than
Think it might be a red card
Not at all. Its a very bad injury. But that doesnt necisarily mean that it was an intentional, malicious or dangerous foul. Injuries happen from legitimate tackles as much if not more so than an intentional foul.

Charachter does come into it and Taylor isnt the sort of player who would intentionally harm another player. Especially given the fact he had a similar injury himself.

Having seen it once and dont intend to watch it again I think it ws probably a ref but didnt seem intentional.

Irelands tactics and pre match talk have a lot to answer for here imo. Not saying that Coleman deserved that injury. Far from it. But all the pre match talk was how they were going to be physical and 'let bale know they were there' (we all know what that means especially from Keane). Its now come to haunt them as their star player is the one whos suffered a horrific injury.

Bad tackle. Very bad injury. Dont think it was intentional. For a player to want to intentionally do thaf they would have to be a very sick person never mind dirty player and I dont think Taylor is either.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Blyclaret » Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:32 am

When u go in that high
U break a leg. End of.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Blyclaret » Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:32 am

Big difference in physical and a tackle like that.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Blyclaret » Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:33 am

Bringing Keane into it is bullshit

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:38 am

Blyclaret wrote:Bringing Keane into it is bullshit
Really? In what way? This is his advice in public. Never mind in the dressing room.
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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Dazzler » Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:18 am

taio wrote:It was a terrible challenge. The height and force of it was awful.

Edit: seeing this doesn't make me think any different: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2wTyLdvg6U
What height and what force are you banging on about??
The force of Coleman kicking Taylor's leg is what I see.
Taylor stretched for the ball with his leg at a reasonable height and Coleman went for power.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:30 am

Dazzler wrote:What height and what force are you banging on about??
The force of Coleman kicking Taylor's leg is what I see.
Taylor stretched for the ball with his leg at a reasonable height and Coleman went for power.
Thats exactly how i saw it when i watched it.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by taio » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:11 am

Dazzler wrote:What height and what force are you banging on about??
The force of Coleman kicking Taylor's leg is what I see.
Taylor stretched for the ball with his leg at a reasonable height and Coleman went for power.
If you don't think it was heigh and forceful you are either blind, clueless or both.

It might not have been intentional - nobody can say either way - but it was certainly dangerous.

Not sure what the issue is with Keane. He was very complimentary about Bale. And I don't see anything wrong with what he said:

“The basic advice to any player if you’re up against a word class player: somebody get to him, get to him as quick as you can, don’t let him get his head up like he does at Real Madrid. Don’t give him space in behind because the boy can run. Tackle him. Hit him…fairly. Tackling is part of the bloody game.”

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:37 am

claretburns wrote:Let's not go over the top, any Burnley player could make a challenge like that next week should he be the banned forever?

Give me one other moment when Neil Taylor has made a challenge like that?

It's a bad challenge but he certainly didn't go into it to break Coleman's leg.
You could find a few from Taylor.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:33 am

Blyclaret wrote:Just watched tackle again
It's worse than I thought
He's a ******* thug
Should never be let on a football pitch again
I would suggest that you should remember that, in spite of the efforts of many of those running (or ruining) the game, football is still very much a physical sport in which, occasionally, players will suffer serious injuries.
This was a challenge between two players who both went in with intention of winning the ball, unfortunately, Coleman suffered a broken leg.
Taylor's disciplinary record is good having been dismissed once before last night and that was in 2011. He has made 304 appearances since making his debut as a professional in 2007 and received 44 cautions which, as a full back, is not excessive by any means.

Yet, you think that he should be banned for life.
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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Wexford_Claret » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:18 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Keane told Ireland to rough wales up. And they did. Wales have responded to that.

Bales was never a red. Taylor probably so
Rough Wales up.

Not break their captain's leg.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:28 am

It was a reckless challenge just as Bales was a minute earlier but no way can he have meant to break his leg. We see them week in and week out in football you'd have nobody left to play the game if you banned everyone for life!
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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Geoff » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:45 am

scouseclaret wrote:Last time 2 Burnley players started in the same international team?

Guessing it would have been Flynn and James some time in the 70's...
Surely this has happened more recently? For either Scotland or N. Ireland?

Scottish internationals - Caldwell, Alexander, Fletcher, Iwelumo

N. Ireland internationals - Duff, Paterson, Jones, Baird, D. Lafferty, K. Lafferty

Not all the timelines match up but I bet there's a game we've had two on the same side at some point.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Shore claret » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:19 am

No player goes out to intentionally seriously hurt another player, sometimes it happens, that was a bad tackle and so was bales just before, if that was a defender on bale there would of been uproar.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by willsclarets » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:23 am

All the usual "he's not that type of player" nonsense. Apparently, no one is that type of player.
There's a subtle difference between reckless and malicious. I don't doubt Taylor wouldn't try and break legs, but if you fly in like that you run the risk of hurting someone badly. His intention seemed to be "stop him at all costs" rather than going in to do damage. It's ridiculous to say he should be banned for good, but his club and international manager need to be honest about his conduct. Rather than saying he's a great guy, which I've no reason to doubt, they need to admit he's got previous for reckless challenges and he needs to be more in control of his body.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Quicknick » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:53 am

Dazzler wrote:Off top of my head I would say Hamilton and Cassidy for Northern Ireland in the 82 world cup finals.???
Just checked. You must be right. Cassidy made only one appearance in those finals, coming on as a sub against the hosts Spain in a 1-0 NI win.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:54 am

Wexford_Claret wrote:Rough Wales up.

Not break their captain's leg.
But thats not what taylor intended to do is it. Cant have it both ways.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Quicknick » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:54 am

minnieclaret wrote:Hamilton and Cassidy did a fans Q&A in the Centre Spot after that World Cup.

We did have Jimmy Mac, Alex Elder and Willie Irvine in a Norn Iron side in the 60s but Jimmy might have been a Stoke player at the time.
And Sammy Todd.
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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:56 am

willsclarets wrote:All the usual "he's not that type of player" nonsense. Apparently, no one is that type of player.
There's a subtle difference between reckless and malicious. I don't doubt Taylor wouldn't try and break legs, but if you fly in like that you run the risk of hurting someone badly. His intention seemed to be "stop him at all costs" rather than going in to do damage. It's ridiculous to say he should be banned for good, but his club and international manager need to be honest about his conduct. Rather than saying he's a great guy, which I've no reason to doubt, they need to admit he's got previous for reckless challenges and he needs to be more in control of his body.
They both went for the aame ball. Taylor went to tackle it at the same time that Coleman went to cross it running and kicking at speed. What should taylor have done? Let him run past?

The injury is an unfortunate consequence of two full blooded fully commited players.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Quicknick » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:59 am

The Enclosure wrote:That looks as bad as the horrific injury that ended David Busst's career playing for coventry against man utd.
And Buust almost lost his leg.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Geoff » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:00 am

Quicknick wrote:Just checked. You must be right. Cassidy made only one appearance in those finals, coming on as a sub against the hosts Spain in a 1-0 NI win.
Pretty sure he isn't correct

EDIT: Last time we had two internationals playing in the same team (not inc. Hendrick and Ward) was Chris Baird and Danny Lafferty for N. Ireland vs Uruguay, May 31st 2014.
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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by willsclarets » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:04 am

No problem with Taylor going for the ball, but are you saying it wasn't reckless cricketfield? Coleman had his body over the ball and his foot was at ball level. Taylor was lunging full stretch, with his foot over ball height.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:11 am

I dont know. I only saw it live. Not intention of watching it again. There is a fine line between whats a tackle a foul and reckless. And the game is becoming spoilt by everyone pouncing on anything other than an interception being a foul. The detail of the injiry shouldnt dictate which it was. E.g. Barnes acl at villa. Wasnt a career ending tackld but the injury itself was.

Whats happened to Coleman is horrendous. So as a fellow fullback it will be interesting to hear his take on it. But i genuinely think from the one view ive had and even pictures that it was an unfortunate accident that happens when full blooded players go for the same ball.

All this has distracted from the genuine thuggery of Glen Whelan.
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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Quicknick » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:34 am

Geoff wrote:Pretty sure he isn't correct

EDIT: Last time we had two internationals playing in the same team (not inc. Hendrick and Ward) was Chris Baird and Danny Lafferty for N. Ireland vs Uruguay, May 31st 2014.
I meant to say he was correct in suggesting that Hamilton and Cassidy both played in the same team in 1982.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Dazzler » Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:49 pm

taio wrote:If you don't think it was heigh and forceful you are either blind, clueless or both.

It might not have been intentional - nobody can say either way - but it was certainly dangerous.
Ok,I I have given my description on how I saw Taylor's challenge for the ball now let's have yours.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Blyclaret » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:54 pm

Why show photos of Whelan's challenge
What's that got to do with the leg break incident
Cricketfieldclaret u really are a retard.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:41 pm

Geoff wrote:Pretty sure he isn't correct

EDIT: Last time we had two internationals playing in the same team (not inc. Hendrick and Ward) was Chris Baird and Danny Lafferty for N. Ireland vs Uruguay, May 31st 2014.
But Baird was never a Burnley player was he?
Just a loanee, so I'm not sure that counts.
(Whilst eg Lafferty was out on loan I would have still considered him to be a Burnley player.)

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:31 pm

Blyclaret wrote:Why show photos of Whelan's challenge
What's that got to do with the leg break incident
Cricketfieldclaret u really are a retard.
Wiv spelin an gramma like dat am in good kompany.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Geoff » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:27 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:But Baird was never a Burnley player was he?
Just a loanee, so I'm not sure that counts.
(Whilst eg Lafferty was out on loan I would have still considered him to be a Burnley player.)
You're wrong on both fronts. Baird was our player as he was on a short term contract and Lafferty wasn't out on loan at the time.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Blyclaret » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:07 pm

No problem
Come over to Ireland and we can sort that out for you.
See how big your mouth is then.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Tribesmen » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:23 am

Well a few talking points I must say . I didn't see the tackle but when the medics came on I knew it must have been bad . How long Coleman will be out is a good question , jezzzzz we will miss him at the back for sure .
The game well not great was it as Ireland sat back and only got going when Wales were down to ten men , McClean was so close near to the end but there you go .
Great built up to the game as the town was hopping from early on but just seemed flat afterwards but hey we move on .

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by nil_desperandum » Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:26 am

Geoff wrote:You're wrong on both fronts. Baird was our player as he was on a short term contract and Lafferty wasn't out on loan at the time.
I didn't say Lafferty was out on loan at the time but thanks for clearing up Baird's status.
I'm still interested to know whether a player out on loan represents his parent club or the team he is loaned out to.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:54 pm

Blyclaret wrote:No problem
Come over to Ireland and we can sort that out for you.
See how big your mouth is then.
:lol: :lol:

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:11 pm

This stuff about him not meaning to hurt the lad is nonsense. It's like me chucking a brick off a motorway and killing a driver. I could say I didn't mean to hurt anyone but, come on, what would anybody expect to have happened ?
Taylor went in over the top and if fortune is on the other player's side he doesn't get hurt. This one was a leg-breaker from the word go and was never going to be anything else. He did him good and proper.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by taio » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:18 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:It's like me chucking a brick off a motorway and killing a driver. I could say I didn't mean to hurt anyone but, come on, what would anybody expect to have happened
:lol: to be fair it's absolutely nothing like that.
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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:45 pm

Think beyond the literal, pal, if it's possible. :lol:
I'' ll walk you through it.
Taylor went in, studs up, deliberately and the likely outcome is not good for the person on the other end and the point I'm making, beyond you, clearly, is that no amount of "I didn't mean to hurt anyone " can excuse reckless, dangerous behaviour.
If you still don't get it, ********, you're not worth the effort.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by taio » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:53 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Think beyond the literal, pal, if it's possible. :lol:
I'' ll walk you through it.
Taylor went in, studs up, deliberately and the likely outcome is not good for the person on the other end and the point I'm making, beyond you, clearly, is that no amount of "I didn't mean to hurt anyone " can excuse reckless, dangerous behaviour.
If you still don't get it, ********, you're not worth the effort.
You don't need to talk me through it - I saw it at the time...and your analogy was stupid. Pal.

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Re: Rep Of Ireland v Wales

Post by Blyclaret » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:58 pm

That studio smile says it all.

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