That sinking feeling

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:57 pm

Anyone else starting to feel worried?

damo_whitehead · Post by **damo_whitehead** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:58 pm

If we take 3 points on Tuesday night then all that worry will go I am sure

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:58 pm

If you weren't worried when there was 10 point gap with that 4 consecutive away run in, where we were historically never going to get any points, coupled with the difficult remaining home games... then.... I don't know.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:59 pm

Yes, Spurs at home was a must win.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:01 pm

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:01 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:Anyone else starting to feel worried?

I was worried weeks ago. I said that 10 points wasn't enough and most of the board disagreed, saying we were safe.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:03 pm

Lose to Stoke and then I'll be worried.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:04 pm

Yep, 2 points from 7 games is relegation form and we're not looking likely
to win.
Dyche will have to change it on Tuesday against Stoke and start with Defour and Brady.
Possibly also with Westwood.
We do need to win that one and ease growing concerns.
Lose it it and we're in the mire!
Deep in the mire.

NickBFC · Post by **NickBFC** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:05 pm

I'm worried, and I'll be really worried if we lose Tuesday. Still all to play for, team needs us all behind them 100% now.

Big_Ears_BFC · Post by **Big_Ears_BFC** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:08 pm

Hull at home to boro Tues. This could get bad if we don't win ourselves.......

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:10 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Lose to Stoke and then I'll be worried.

Agreed.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:10 pm

I'm glad I'm not in the trenches with some on here; well stay up. FFS, get a grip you moaning w4nkers.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:10 pm

Certainly feels closer now that we're 15th. Need to beat Stoke.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:11 pm

Defour has to start against Stoke, we created nothing at all, we created 2 chances at Sunderland, so that's 2 chances in 180 minutes - awful

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:13 pm

BennyD wrote:I'm glad I'm not in the trenches with some on here; well stay up. FFS, get a grip you moaning w4nkers.

Yep. And I'm glad the players aren't as fecking wet as many fans.

The same people were stressing out this time last year that we wouldn't get over the line.

Big_Ears_BFC · Post by **Big_Ears_BFC** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:15 pm

BennyD wrote:I'm glad I'm not in the trenches with some on here; well stay up. FFS, get a grip you moaning w4nkers.

It is not the fans who will keep us up though is it ? It's Dyche and the team he picks and today it was all wrong.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:20 pm

Performance was more worrying than the result

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:28 pm

You've got to say that the three home games that are effectively dead rubbers for the away side, Stoke West Brom and West Ham will keep us up.

But if you're not worried, given the way we play- one mistake and we lose- then you are really naive.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:34 pm

BennyD wrote:I'm glad I'm not in the trenches with some on here; well stay up. FFS, get a grip you moaning w4nkers.

Class saying is this, as though how we respond on a message board dictates our effectiveness in some fictitious war.

J50 · Post by **J50** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:36 pm

I'm worried until the 93rd minute of a game and only then start to breathe easy if we are 3-0 up and there's 2 mins of stoppage time left. I'm a Burnley fan and been there done that got the tatoo (not actually) since 1973 so used to it by now

If we go down we go down there's worse things could happen in life...

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:37 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:You've got to say that the three home games that are effectively dead rubbers for the away side, Stoke West Brom and West Ham will keep us up.

But if you're not worried, given the way we play- one mistake and we lose- then you are really naive.

there will be no dead rubbers, Stoke is now a must win

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:38 pm

Stoke is not a must win.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:38 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:Anyone else starting to feel worried?

Just played five away games and the top two at home in the last seven games

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:39 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:Stoke is now a must win

No it is not, nothing like a must win.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:39 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Just played five away games and the top two at home in the last seven games

Ah, so losing away from home is fine. I am glad that's been cleared up.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:41 pm

The form is poor, we create little and look toothless. We are in a relegation battle and teams below are winning. Need a more positive approach against Stoke.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:46 pm

hulls run in is pretty good , it will be close , i have no doubt of that

i expect them to get 9 and us 6 which would be enough

Woody9229 · Post by **Woody9229** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:05 pm

We lost to Tottenham Hotspur FFS. Perspective needed surely.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:12 pm

I can't help but feel that we might be the team to drop through the trapdoor in the last week or so.
The yield of only two points from the three winnable games against Hull, Swansea, and Sunderland showed me that we really don't have what it takes to win away. This puts untenable pressure on us at home. We played ok today right up until we conceded a sloppy opener from a set piece. After that we looked completely ragged. Nerves are beginning to show. We need at least four points from the next two matches. Our points cushion is looking very precarious.
I fear we will fold.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:22 pm

Bookies odds for us to be relegated have barely changed following today's result. That'll be because we were supposed to lose to Spurs.

No need to worry yet.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:25 pm

Worried is a little strong but certainly not as comfortable as I was even though I thought those already celebrating a few games ago were getting carried away. I didn't see such a dramatic up turn in others and allied to not taking any points from the last few games. We need to pick up more points and quickly, or things could really blow up in our faces.

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:30 pm

We played our championship side today ( with the exception of former champ player Hendrik) against a high quality European money bags elite unit .Without our creative players this was always gonna be about trying to blag it

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:33 pm

We were never going to get owt against Spuds. Stop worrying.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:35 pm

But we should be going to Sunderland, Swansea, Hull etc and getting more than 2 points. Just because we're away doesn't excuse it.

I can't see us beating Stoke either.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:35 pm

I've never felt anything other than uncomfortable, never for one minaret thought we were safe. We are definitely looking over our shoulder and if we put in another performance like we did in the second half I dread to think were the next point is going to come from.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:40 pm

Before the grammar Police come on 'minaret' (predictive text) should read minute.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:43 pm

ClaretTony wrote:No it is not, nothing like a must win.

far easier to win a game before the pressure starts, must win imho

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:45 pm

But to say it's "must win" implies we'll be relegated if we don't.

We won't, so it's not must win.

alicante claret · Post by **alicante claret** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:47 pm

Second half performance via TV was poor, pressure will increase but one win will change everything. Not worried yet but nerves now a part. West Ham could yet be drawn into the problem, may be a big game!

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:48 pm

ashtonlongsider wrote:I've never felt anything other than uncomfortable, never for one minaret thought we were safe. We are definitely looking over our shoulder and if we put in another performance like we did in the second half I dread to think were the next point is going to come from.

And if we play like we did in the first half, we'll be fine.

ashtonlongsider wrote:Before the grammar Police come on 'minaret' (predictive text) should read minute.

If only there was a way to edit your post...

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:50 pm

Right now every point is crucial, we're only 5 points above the relegation zone..

Whilst we won't be relegated if we don't win, we're being dragged into a relegation fight and we don't have an easy run of games coming up.

Stoke, Boro (a), UTD, Palace (a), WBA, Bournemouth, West Ham.

Now I'm not trying to be a miserable sod, but you'd have to wonder where the necessary points are going to come from in there, and we're already stuck in a rut in regards to results.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:58 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:But to say it's "must win" implies we'll be relegated if we don't.

We won't, so it's not must win.

true !

lakesclaret · Post by **lakesclaret** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:02 pm

TBH I doubt wba Bournemouth and West Ham will have a lot to play for (hopefully not) the next 2 games could well yield a healthy 4-6 points .If they produce 1 were very much in the sh1t but I still feel we're just a bit better than the current bottom 3 and suspect we'll finish 15th

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:02 pm

Hells bells! Spurs are a really good side and we more than matched them in the first half to the extent that they were forced to switch formation to match us up. They then got to grips with the game and their superiority came to the fore. Some people really need a reality check if they think we should be regularly beating teams like this.

What will really determine where we finish the season are our games against Stoke, West Brom and West Ham at home and Boro, Palace and Bournmouth away. We probably need 5 or 6 points from those to be safe, which is certainly achievable. Anything from Man U at home and Everton away would be a bonus.

They key thing was to come through this tricky period still well above the drop zone and so far that is the case. There is plenty still to play for and certainly no need to panic just yet. Indeed we could get no points for another six games before we likely get into must win territory.

Keep the faith!

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:02 pm

ClaretTony wrote:No it is not, nothing like a must win.

What was the name of Saddam's propeganda chief in Iraq? Comical Ali..

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:59 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Class saying is this, as though how we respond on a message board dictates our effectiveness in some fictitious war.

I'm just glad I'm not in the trenches.

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:03 pm

I am worried in the context of the last two months.
Eight games and no win, this has to be a cause for concern at any stage of the season.
Yes I am still confident we will stay up and we will win away, two wins in the next two games alleviate all the worries, but when you are not playing well, wins are hard to come by.
I understand where people are coming from and justifiably so, our form is poor and we are very rigid and predictable in our formation and tactics.
People do come on here after a defeat and spout off and we can shrug it off, but after two months, five defeats and three draws it does become harder.
These next two games now take an extra significance, as stated above they are not must win games,but we need a win from somewhere, just to give everybody a boost.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:05 pm

Stoke might not be a 'must win' but certainly a must not lose.
Hopefully for obvious reasons as if we did lose to Stoke then it'd be 2 points
from our last 8 games and if Hull and Swansea win their next games which is more than likely
as they are both at home to Boro' then they'd be just two points behind us.
Swansea would have a game in hand too.

We don't look as if we can win a game at present so a win against Stoke would give us
some confidence back and set us up for the remaining games as well as keep us 5 points clear.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:22 pm

I have to say, is only one point in two home games a sure sign of a side that's doomed? Do you see any of our rivals picking up wins from the home games against Chelsea and Spurs?

And while we're on the subject of easy matches, tell me who is the odd one out of the following: Swansea, Bournemouth, Man United, Liverpol, Burnley, Swansea again, West Ham? Answer - Burnley - we are the only team (out of 7) that has avoided defeat at Hull since Silva arrived. Won 6, drawn 1. Don't get the idea that Hull is a pushover.

We have won 5 of our last 7 home games. Now I dare say if the crowd starts putting pressure on the players it might help them lose form; but for now, that form is pretty good. We don't have to play the top two again this season.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:28 pm

Stoke have failed to score in their last four away games. A good omen?