Burnley 7 Port Vale 0

[djemba-djemba]

Just seen this on youtube from November 1983 - 6-0 up at half time.

I can't ever remember being 6-0 up at half-time in the time that I've been watching Burnley.

Was there a time under Bond when excitement was starting to grow and the fans thought that he might do a good job?

[Herts Clarets]

Up until the point Kevin Reeves was injured, we were playing some very good football.

[ClaretTony]

Was there a time under Bond when excitement was starting to grow and the fans thought that he might do a good job?

Without doubt there was - that game was in November and by Feb we'd also recorded a 4-1 win at Wimbledon and home wins against Scunthorpe (5-0), Exeter (4-0) and Lincoln (4-0), the latter two after the Reeves injury. For a time I thought we might go up but it all unravelled. The loss of Reeves was hugely important and I think the loss of Dobbo, who went to Bury as player/manager didn't help either.

Always a strange one, Bond, I always felt, was very close to being a successful manager at Burnley but is now remembered as one of the worst when he undoubtedly wasn't as anyone who saw the next three managers will testify.

[RammyClaret61]

Benson, Buchan & Cavanagh.... still makes me shudder!!

[Culmclaret]

We got the seventh early in the second half and I am sure most of us thought we would get double figures. We were brilliant flat track bullies at home, but aside from the Wimbledon performance we were pretty rank away from home even with Reeves in the side.

[Dazzler]

I was arrested after that Vale game.I was walking up belvedere road with a couple of pals when we heard some shouts further up near the fire station.
My pals ran off to see what was going on.I wasn't for getting involved and just carried on strolling up when these 2 'brave' vale fans came from behind me to confront me face to face.
Well,I wasn't for running away...It didn't last long,one of 'em ran....the other Vale fan and myself were arrested and chucked in the same escort fan.The ones that used to have a partition with the alsation on the other side that never stopped barking.
Well I was furious cos I would be missing my aunties homemade potato pie,so I gave the scrote another clobbering.
They let us out of the nick at the same time.As we were walking out he asked me something on the lines of "how do I get home" ?
I just looked at him and he turned and walked back in the station.
Still,I caught up with Jimbo & crew later and had a cracking night down the cats.

Oh,Jimbo wasn't one of the lads I was with on Belvedere road.

[ClaretTony]

Second half, once the seventh went in, Port Vale didn't just park the bus, they parked a fleet of them.

Coming off the ground at the end, some bloke behind me was shouting something like: "Bloody rubbish Burnley, won't be coming back again." When someone pointed out we'd won 7-0 he said that didn't matter at all because the second half had been garbage.

[Croydon Claret]

The Elton Welsby days. Wasn't all good at that time

[boiledclaret]

Looked a good side going forward with Reeves, Hutchinson and Flynn in the side. Bond seemed to be getting the best out of Hamilton who looked in great form. It was the defense which naffed it. We shipped far too many goals and you can't keep outscoring the opposition.

It was hardly an up and coming team for the future though. We were nicknamed "City pensioners home' by many.

[Foulthrow]

Without doubt there was - that game was in November and by Feb we'd also recorded a 4-1 win at Wimbledon and home wins against Scunthorpe (5-0), Exeter (4-0) and Lincoln (4-0), the latter two after the Reeves injury. For a time I thought we might go up but it all unravelled. The loss of Reeves was hugely important and I think the loss of Dobbo, who went to Bury as player/manager didn't help either.

Always a strange one, Bond, I always felt, was very close to being a successful manager at Burnley but is now remembered as one of the worst when he undoubtedly wasn't as anyone who saw the next three managers will testify.

Why is John Bond so universally hated then? What was it that he actually did wrong? I would ask my Dad but he won't even let you mention his name....

[Diesel]

I remember a game against Port Vale when they had two brothers (literally) playing, one on each wing, Chamberlain, they were called.

[S0S-1971]

I remember it kicking off in the Bee hole end and it took the police what seemed an age to get there , proper free for all .

[TheFamilyCat]

Second half, once the seventh went in, Port Vale didn't just park the bus, they parked a fleet of them.

I like that they only resorted to damage limitation at 7-0. Maybe they thought they still had a chance at 6-0.

[Claret&Green]

It was hardly an up and coming team for the future though. We were nicknamed "City pensioners home' by many.

I remember that, Hansbury, Reeves, Hutchinson, Gow, Daley, Tuert

[Wokingclaret]

It was hardly an up and coming team for the future though. We were nicknamed "City pensioners home' by many.[/quote]

Nonsense, Hutchison played on for another 11 seasons and Donachie another 7

[burnleysteve]

That was my first Burnley game

[Saxoman]

The rovers version says john bond sold all your young talent, closed the youth set up and brought in a load of veteren hasbeens with the money saved.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Why is John Bond so universally hated then? What was it that he actually did wrong? I would ask my Dad but he won't even let you mention his name....

He had no ties with the club, Laws and Steven left under him, he brought a load of City past it players to the club, he took the captaincy off Dobbo and he was seen as a flash cockney b*stard.

Not really a lot of reasons for a near 3 decade long hatred, but we Burnley fans do love a pantomime villain.

[mkmel]

Wasn't it John Bond who let Lee Dixon go to Chester for nowt?

[Wokingclaret]

Wasn't it John Bond who let Lee Dixon go to Chester for nowt?

Dixon had not proved himself, until Dobbo signed him for Bury

Laws was also sold in preseason

Steven, so I'm told Bond got a bigger fee.

Bonds mistake was Gallagher but he did not do the medical.

Ironically rightback was a problem for Bond, Steve Baker and Malcolm Waldron played there weren't good enough for the position.

One player Bond took to was Big Vince

Reeves and Hutch were great but Hansbury, Daly, Gow, Waldron and Baker weren't good enough. Once Reeves was injured we were screwed, Biggins was a positive but it took time to adjust to league football

[Wokingclaret]

The problem for me wasn't Bond, but when the board sacked him they gave it to Benson, look at that team he took far too easily to the fourth division

[Bin Ont Turf]

He thought a good replacement for Stevenson was Hansbury.

[Wokingclaret]

Hands flapping like a windmill

[mkmel]

And still we get people on here moaning about some of our present day players

[Bin Ont Turf]

And still we get people on here moaning about some of our present day players

Imagine if they'd seen Neenan in goal for us.

[Herts Clarets]

Neenan was crap. But he was still a step up from Hansbury who i rate as the worst keeper we have had play for us on a regular basis.

[Hipper]

Blimey, the same old discussions re John Bond. And the same old answers!

Stevens was going to be sold anyway; Dixon was not good enough at the time for whatever reason; Laws was also deemed not good enough and he got that wrong. In fact throughout the season he had a problem with the right back slot.

I thought some of the 'City pensioners' were good for us - Hutchison, Reeves, Tueart, Donachie. Hansbury was hit or miss but he was replacing a legend - Alan Stevenson - and I doubt he was any worse then Stevenson would have been. I read once he assumed Dobson was passed it (hence Hutchison given the captaincy), Overson not ready (he had been injured the previous season) and Holt had gone. Not sure what he thought of Phelan. Of course he was wrong about Dobbo and Big Vince.

I don't think he destroyed the youth set up. I think he tried to get it going again.

The first half of the Bond season was exciting, especially at home, but the second half was miserable with, near the end of it, Bond not even attending matches as he was said to be scouting for players.

It was an experiment that needed to be tried because promoting managers from within the club had failed. Perhaps Bond wasn't the right one and a more down to earth one was required - wasn't there talk of Jimmy Sirrel?

[Wokingclaret]

"It was an experiment that needed to be tried because promoting managers from within the club had failed. Perhaps Bond wasn't the right one and a more down to earth one was required - wasn't there talk of Jimmy Sirrel?"

They didn't give Miller any money when we won the 3rd Division, it was a promising team that need enhancing. It was destroyed under Bond

[Bin Ont Turf]

Blimey, the same old discussions re John Bond. And the same old answers!

Stevens was going to be sold anyway; Dixon was not good enough at the time for whatever reason; Laws was also deemed not good enough and he got that wrong. In fact throughout the season he had a problem with the right back slot.

I thought some of the 'City pensioners' were good for us - Hutchison, Reeves, Tueart, Donachie. Hansbury was hit or miss but he was replacing a legend - Alan Stevenson - and I doubt he was any worse then Stevenson would have been. I read once he assumed Dobson was passed it (hence Hutchison given the captaincy), Overson not ready (he had been injured the previous season) and Holt had gone. Not sure what he thought of Phelan. Of course he was wrong about Dobbo and Big Vince.

I don't think he destroyed the youth set up. I think he tried to get it going again.

The first half of the Bond season was exciting, especially at home, but the second half was miserable with, near the end of it, Bond not even attending matches as he was said to be scouting for players.

It was an experiment that needed to be tried because promoting managers from within the club had failed. Perhaps Bond wasn't the right one and a more down to earth one was required - wasn't there talk of Jimmy Sirrel?

The reason for 'the same old discussions re John Bond and the same old answers' is that it's in Burnley folklore.

Whether the hatred has been based on 100% facts doesn't matter. A poster further up asked what he'd done so wrong and that he couldn't ask his dad because he hated the name.

Legends are built up without 100% facts and villains are talked down without 100% facts. It's the way it is and we didn't have at the time the same sources of information as we do know.

He was seen as the start or the cause of our near extinction. I don't believe that but there are others that do.

[boiledclaret]

He was seen as the start or the cause of our near extinction. I don't believe that but there are others that do.

It was certainly downhill big time after he left. Benson took us down in his only season and we were in the old 4th Division, for what was it? 7 years. It could be fair to say that the Bond gamble overspent.

[gogogadgetlegs]

In terms of 'overspent' isnt that what John Bond did at Turf Moor, overspent?

Money spent on hotels for overnight stays before the match the day after, crippling the club with huge debt?

Apart from being a complete to55er thats what I remember about him, spending all our £ on a 1st Division lifestyle and hence being the start of the real down-fall no matter who took over.

[Foulthrow]

The reason for 'the same old discussions re John Bond and the same old answers' is that it's in Burnley folklore.

Whether the hatred has been based on 100% facts doesn't matter. A poster further up asked what he'd done so wrong and that he couldn't ask his dad because he hated the name.

Legends are built up without 100% facts and villains are talked down without 100% facts. It's the way it is and we didn't have at the time the same sources of information as we do know.

He was seen as the start or the cause of our near extinction. I don't believe that but there are others that do.

I must admit I've been watching Burnley pretty regularly since the days of Jimmy Mullen but I had never really got a fully clear explanation as to what John Bond did wrong. I often used to assume it was because he was responsible for taking us down the divisions - but he wasn't, was he? We didn't get relegated when he was in charge (did we?). And when I've asked the old man he has usually trotted out the line about ruining our youth system - which again, looking at some people's views on here doesn't seem right either. So has Bond been harshly viewed?

Similarly, although I thought I was paying attention during Ternent's time at manager there seemed to be an unspoken 'falling out' that led to his 'dismissal' that I have never been able to fully work out.

[RocketLawnChair]

John Bond paid players money we could ill afford, Although John Jackson is as much to blame for that. We needed to succeed instantly with that business model, we didn't and it took roughly 8 years before we had seen any sort of real recovery, just the odd glimmer thrown in one being Wembley 88.

But John Bond certainly wasn't the only one to blame.