How far from a world war are we

Rightfoot · Post by **Rightfoot** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:03 pm

Russia v Syria
Russia v there neighbours
America v N.Korea
America v Syria
Uk v Spain
UK v All of the European union

Isis against all etc etc the world is in a sh1te state

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:09 pm

It'll be like The Royal Rumble x 1000.

Il Duce · Post by **Il Duce** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:12 pm

Doubt there will be a 'world war' in the mould of precious world wars. Conflict of post-WW2 and present day has global or certainly multi-nation involvement but most commonly in the form of numerous proxy wars or wars funded and heavily orchestrated by the great powers such as the present day Syrian conflict.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:15 pm

Pretty close to meltdown I reckon...with that loon in the states pulling strings.

Clarinetclaret · Post by **Clarinetclaret** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:15 pm

Uk V Spain? Some ex minister mentions the falklands and you assume we're nearly at war lol. You been on Mars? Theres been continous conflict since the end of ww2 and you think its something fresh? The world has been on the verge before, cuban missile crisis, 80s etc but its never happened because diplomacy takes over because no country can win. So stop acting like a baby who thinks theres been one love in for 70 years. The world has never got on.

Clarinetclaret · Post by **Clarinetclaret** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:17 pm

The loons are already here i see going on about Trump starting a war. So Steve, another alarmist lol. Skynet is more likely to start a nuclear war than trump.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:19 pm

If Russia and America jointly take on Syria, that doesn't constitute a world war.

UK v EU? If I were you I'd be more concerned that some Viking raiders are about to land and carry your women off to Iceland. (Unless of course that's what you're secretly hoping for.

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Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:20 pm

I don't think there will be another world war like those two during the first half of the last century.
The risk of someone triggering their nukes is too high.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:22 pm

Handful of unguarded tweets probably.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:22 pm

Il Duce wrote:Doubt there will be a 'world war' in the mould of precious world wars. Conflict of post-WW2 and present day has global or certainly multi-nation involvement but most commonly in the form of numerous proxy wars or wars funded and heavily orchestrated by the great powers such as the present day Syrian conflict.

Very much this, the world is far too globalized to start a full scale shooting war between nations. That's why Russia didn't drive into Crimea with flags flying on tanks but soldier disguised as Crimeans. And all that was to keep their only warm water port port as Ukraine looked to the EU.

There are also hundreds of thousands of citizens from any one nation in another which would either be hostages or casualties.

Proxy wars, cyber wars, asymmetric warfare. Gone are the days of armies lining up to shoot at each other, it's bad for business.

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:31 pm

Possibly not one world war but three or even four large regional conflicts.

Gnulty · Post by **Gnulty** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:39 pm

We have never had fewer wars/crime, more food, less famine,better health etc..Don't take it all in, look for the good news...

claretabroad · Post by **claretabroad** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:39 pm

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:42 pm

Gnulty wrote:We have never had fewer wars/crime, more food, less famine,better health etc..Don't take it all in, look for the good news...

I use the Bob Geldof scale to work out how much famine there is in the world.

If he isn't on the TV or the radio I assume things have got better, or enough that he's forgotten about it for a while.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:46 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I use the Bob Geldof scale to work out how much famine there is in the world.

If he isn't on the TV or the radio I assume things have got better, or enough that he's forgotten about it for a while.

Or that he personally isn't destitute enough to need the windfall of another live/band/EU referendum aid

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:47 pm

About 72 years.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:51 pm

Gnulty wrote:We have never had fewer wars/crime, more food, less famine,better health etc..Don't take it all in, look for the good news...

I've always said this board is a text book example.

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Declinism is the belief that a society or institution is tending towards decline. Particularly, it is the predisposition, due to cognitive bias, particularly rosy retrospection, to view the past favourably and future negatively.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:54 pm

It won't happen.
The really, really important players - the ones with real power, the multi-national companies - will simply not allow it. There will be far too much money to be lost.

COBBLE · Post by **COBBLE** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:17 pm

Something big but not a world war (involving all the major powers) has been inevitable at the point when Iran or North Korea get their nuclear weapons delivery systems up to ISO9001. Israel or the US are ready. What has changed is Trump. He has an irresistible chance to boost his populist
support by 'nuking,' somebody, probably the podgy bloke in North Korea.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:38 pm

Not a chance, he'd be killed/assassinated/executed/deleted/the victim of a tragic accident by his own secret service before that would be allowed to happen.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:48 pm

Expect a visit from Blue Trawden Labrador boy soon, explaining how it's all
linked into a worldwide Zionist plot.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:04 am

How long's a piece of string?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:08 am

Nowhere near a world war and all of us much safer thanks to the nuclear bomb.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:13 am

evensteadiereddie wrote:It won't happen.
The really, really important players - the ones with real power, the multi-national companies - will simply not allow it. There will be far too much money to be lost.

Ha! There's cynicism and there's cynicism but there is some truth in what you say.

Businesses don't like war because it causes instability and is, well, bad for business.

But it isn't just "corporations" or "multi-national companies" who want to prevent war - it's the people who work for them (that's 'people' as in human beings) and it is also small businesses who want to prevent war too: Family-run businesses, exporters, importers, little shops, pubs, cafes, restaurants etc etc.

I personally don't give a flying copulation how peace is achieved at the expense of war. If it happens to be rich people wearing suits and with grease in their hair preventing war well then that's a whole lot better than a group of kindly looking hippies wearing robes with flowers in there hair failing to prevent a war.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:42 am

Clarinetclaret wrote:The loons are already here i see going on about Trump starting a war. So Steve, another alarmist lol. Skynet is more likely to start a nuclear war than trump.

Ok mate,what else do you see when you stare into that crystal ball of yours,how many points do we end up with this season 39 or 40?

Mala591 · Post by **Mala591** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:43 am

Man/Woman needs the natural world to survive
Man/Woman destroys the natural world
Man/Woman dies

Probably too late to control over population/massive over consumption.

So, live for today and don't worry about the future.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:47 am

Sidney1st wrote:I use the Bob Geldof scale to work out how much famine there is in the world.

If he isn't on the TV or the radio I assume things have got better, or enough that he's forgotten about it for a while.

Just because he's not on the TV or Radio talking about it doesn't mean he's forgotten about it. It just means that no one has been seeking his opinion or advice on it, largely because you and I don't give a ****. So really, if you think about it, the lack of Bob Geldof is because it's us, the public, who have forgotten about it. Not him.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:04 am

The fourth world war will be fought with sticks and stones. Albert einstein.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:19 am

Rowls wrote:Ha! There's cynicism and there's cynicism but there is some truth in what you say.

Businesses don't like war because it causes instability and is, well, bad for business.

But it isn't just "corporations" or "multi-national companies" who want to prevent war - it's the people who work for them (that's 'people' as in human beings) and it is also small businesses who want to prevent war too: Family-run businesses, exporters, importers, little shops, pubs, cafes, restaurants etc etc.

I personally don't give a flying copulation how peace is achieved at the expense of war. If it happens to be rich people wearing suits and with grease in their hair preventing war well then that's a whole lot better than a group of kindly looking hippies wearing robes with flowers in there hair failing to prevent a war.

Great post

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:39 am

Life's too short to worry about something that might never happen.
Enjoy the league table and forget about it.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:01 am

as long as it's after basturds get relegated

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:23 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Not a chance, he'd be killed/assassinated/executed/deleted/the victim of a tragic accident by his own secret service before that would be allowed to happen.

Let's hope he tries then...

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:18 pm

BBC saying US military action in Syria "imminent." Maybe tonight.
Scary.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:22 pm

Will be interesting to see if May allows us to be dragged into it too.

Clarinetclaret · Post by **Clarinetclaret** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:27 am

80s falklands, iraq- iran, ussr-afghanistan, american invasion of grenada, america bombs libya, israel invades lebanon.
90s invasion of kuwait, bosnian war, chechen war, kosovan war. These are just a few of the conflicts in the 80s and 90s. Can't be arsed to do the 60s 70s and noughties. And some of you think the world is more at risk of a world war now?

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:03 pm

....a lot closer now. Thanks Don.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:08 pm

BennyD wrote:....a lot closer now. Thanks Don.

Are you suggesting that no response was required after what that monster did to his own countrymen,women and kids?
Assad would have wiped out sections of his own country if he had been allowed to get away with that attack.
A TOTALLY APPROPRIATE RESPONSE.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:14 pm

What Assad did to his own countrymen is reprehensible. However, the fact that Syria is a good friend and ally of Russia puts a whole different slant on it. The 'greater good' is peace between the 'Superpowers' rather than an escalation built on an internal problem within Syria. It's called Politics.

Clarinetclaret · Post by **Clarinetclaret** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:02 pm

BennyD wrote:What Assad did to his own countrymen is reprehensible. However, the fact that Syria is a good friend and ally of Russia puts a whole different slant on it. The 'greater good' is peace between the 'Superpowers' rather than an escalation built on an internal problem within Syria. It's called Politics.

Serbia was a good friend and ally of Russia, so what did Russia do when the US and Nato bombed them?
Absolutely nothing, just like they will do now.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:34 pm

I hope you are right because Putin and Trump do not make a good couple. They are both arrogant and pig headed which are not good traits in people with their fingers on the button.

ian · Post by **ian** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:55 pm

I did a Q/F draw. Minnows Gibraltar likely to be televised.

Gibraltar v Russia
North Korea v Spain
US (A) v UK
Syria v US (B)

yes they're big enough for 2 teams AKA no byes allowed

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:33 pm

Putin is mad but not mad enough to take on Trump In this instance. Trump basically has the support of all the other major powers with his retaliation to Asaads chemical bomb attack.

Putin sells a hell of a lot of armoury and defence to Syria and will make excuses for Assad. Trump throwing a few tomahawks around actually lines Putins pocket long term.

So in summing up Putin needs Syria, and Iran are backing Putin and Syria up basically because they will oppose the US at every opportunity.

Everybody else that matters agrees with Trump over the use of a chemical weapons when used on civilians.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:51 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Putin is mad but not mad enough to take on Trump In this instance. Trump basically has the support of all the other major powers with his retaliation to Asaads chemical bomb attack.

Putin sells a hell of a lot of armoury and defence to Syria and will make excuses for Assad. Trump throwing a few tomahawks around actually lines Putins pocket long term.

So in summing up Putin needs Syria, and Iran are backing Putin and Syria up basically because they will oppose the US at every opportunity.

Everybody else that matters agrees with Trump over the use of a chemical weapons when used on civilians.

One possible chain of events is that Russia flips the **** out and suspends the agreement not to conflict with the US forces in Syria (which they've done). Trump and Pubs in congress panic so Trump says to them "hey, what if we can get Russia to back down and crack down on Assad a bit more in exchanges for lifting sanctions?". So congress agrees to lift the sanctions on Russia in exchange for Russia being tougher with Assad (but not to the point of regime change) and they can say to the public "well, we were just protecting our brave fighting men and women" as justification for the lifting of the sanctions.

That's just one possible chain of events that will de-escalate it all, and it will have only cost about 100 brown people their lives so no one involved will care. win-win for Trumputin.

This definitely won't happen though because i'm sure Trump genuinely cares about the people he tried to ban America from helping before they were gassed to death.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:22 am

Iran and Russia have told the Yanks they'll retaliate if the Yanks attack Syria again like they did the other day.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:39 am

Sidney1st wrote:Iran and Russia have told the Yanks they'll retaliate if the Yanks attack Syria again like they did the other day.

Which he'll definitely do because look at how little people have been talking about Russia winning him the election since the attack.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:40 pm

Getting closer by the day....Two Despots without a clue....result ...War I suppose.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:47 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Iran and Russia have told the Yanks they'll retaliate if the Yanks attack Syria again like they did the other day.

What are they going to do besides having a hissy fit and throwing their toys out if the pram ..lol

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:27 pm

4 mins always has been always will be !!!!!!