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George Boyd

Post by Murger » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:16 pm

Rejects new contract

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Re: George Boyd

Post by andyh » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:19 pm

Cant say i'm over bothered one way or another.
At least it shows we are not throwing money at aging players that are not really Premier League standard.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by MACCA » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:21 pm

"The midfielder’s current terms expire this summer and a number of Premier League and Championship clubs are interested in securing his services for free."

The 2nd paragraph draws the first lie.

"Boyd produced a man-of-the-match display and scored the only goal in Tuesday's victory over Stoke City"
Then the very next paragraph - lie

Then Didn't bother reading the rest.

However wish him well at his new club.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by Darthlaw » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:22 pm

Not unsurprising if true. Boyd will get one final windfall signing on fee and no doubt a longer contract if he looks elsewhere. Possibly more first team football too as, realistically, the right wing position should be top of the list for upgrading this summer.

If Boro sink, it would be good to look at Adama Traore, particularly after his performance against Hull. Quite Boyd-esque in terms of tracking back but with the added pace of a cheetah.
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Re: George Boyd

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:22 pm

Like andyh, assuming we stay up, I think we need to do better than Boyd if we're to advance - to a point where he wouldn't even be good enough to make the bench.
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Re: George Boyd

Post by KefkaClaret » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:24 pm

Can't say I'd be too upset in whichever way this ends.
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Re: George Boyd

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:24 pm

MACCA wrote:"Boyd produced a man-of-the-match display and scored the only goal in Tuesday's victory over Stoke City"
Then the very next paragraph - lie
Which part of that is a lie?
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Re: George Boyd

Post by Selby Claret » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:27 pm

If we can get JBG fit then I would love to see us try with him and Brady as first choice wingers - as much as I love Georgey he is 30+ now and as FactualFrank says we have to try and push on - using his wages on a contract to a <25 yr old makes more sense

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Re: George Boyd

Post by ksrclaret » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:27 pm

Don't think there'll be any hard feelings, he's served us extremely well over the past 3 years with some huge efforts.

If he can get himself a better contract somewhere else then the best of luck to him.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by ashtonlongsider » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:28 pm

I don't blame him for turning down a 12 month extension. For my money Boyd is vital to our system and style of play and should be awarded a minimum of 2 years extension. Here's hoping.
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Re: George Boyd

Post by KateR » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:29 pm

I wish him well, a spell in Celtic's team may even see him get back in the Scotland team but don't hold your breath, early days and just the opening gambit of the negotiations, does anybody actually sign the first contract anyone offers? just curious.
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Re: George Boyd

Post by KRBFC » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:31 pm

i'd be happy either way, I'd like us to get rid of him and Barton though to allow us to bring in more players but without massively changing the squad size.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by KefkaClaret » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:31 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Which part of that is a lie?

Scoring a goal doesn't negate the fact he played poorly all game.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by claretdom » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:33 pm

Played poor all game ?

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Re: George Boyd

Post by dsr » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:36 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Scoring a goal doesn't negate the fact he played poorly all game.
He was announced as the sponsors' man of the match. So whatever our personal opinions, it isn't a lie to say he had a man of the match display.
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Re: George Boyd

Post by Darthlaw » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:36 pm

KRBFC wrote:i'd be happy either way, I'd like us to get rid of him and Barton though to allow us to bring in more players but without massively changing the squad size.
I think thats the trouble this summer. Realistically I can see the following leaving:

Keane - Almost certain
Boyd - Looks the same
Barton - Better financial offers, for him, elsewhere?
Defour - Is china calling?
Gray - Possibly for someone who just wants a 'finisher'.
Arfield - Could be out of the first team and want more football.
Heaton - Long shot for leaving but how many top 8 teams need a good GK? I count two in Merseyside for certain.

We could easily find ourselves replacing the spine of the team this summer.
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Re: George Boyd

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:36 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Scoring a goal doesn't negate the fact he played poorly all game.
So which part is a lie?

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Re: George Boyd

Post by Sidney1st » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:37 pm

Appeared in 110 games out of a possible 115 , that's not bad if it's accurate.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by CombatClaret » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:39 pm

Offering a 12month contract feels like we're trying to nickel & dime someone who's been a stalwart of our team. We did the same to Barton only to want him back half way through the season.

While our recruitment has improved this season we could be looking at replacing a large number of players If we're not careful. I'd much rather see Boyd in the squad and upgrade Arfeild than have to spend money replacing both when we might need to replace Defour too.

We'll likely need to replace Keane too (or add a squad player If Tarks steps in).
I'd also like to see one of Vokes or Barnes upgraded.

Not saying he should be first on the team sheet next season but letting Boyd walk seems like adding needless work & expense for us in the summer which could be far better spent on other targets.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by Belial » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:41 pm

I don't blame him. He's been very good for us over the past 3 years and scored some vital goals, and I think we've been a good choice for him also. Luckily for the first time I can remember since I have been watching the clarets (in 91), if he does leave, we can feel comfortable that we can get a suitable replacement or two in, and actually have plenty of funds to do it with

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Re: George Boyd

Post by CombatClaret » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:45 pm

Darthlaw wrote:We could easily find ourselves replacing the spine of the team this summer.
Just posted similar sentiment, we want to be upgrading not replacing (Arfield, Vokes/Barnes). Every new transfer is a gamble so letting go productive players who have a role to play in a squad seems a waste.

It stands to reason you should be looking to keep a player wanted by many other teams.
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Re: George Boyd

Post by Blackrod » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:47 pm

Would be ok in squad but ideally need an upgrade. Would like to keep Arfield in squad too. Keane will be off so we need Tarkowski s replacement as cover. Vokes needs upgrading desperately. We need a Jay Rod type striker IMO

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Re: George Boyd

Post by Blackrod » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:49 pm

Boyd scored a very good goal and put in 100% effort. He wasn't man of the match. The sponsors often pick the goalscorer.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by KRBFC » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:50 pm

Darthlaw wrote:I think thats the trouble this summer. Realistically I can see the following leaving:

Keane - Almost certain
Boyd - Looks the same
Barton - Better financial offers, for him, elsewhere?
Defour - Is china calling?
Gray - Possibly for someone who just wants a 'finisher'.
Arfield - Could be out of the first team and want more football.
Heaton - Long shot for leaving but how many top 8 teams need a good GK? I count two in Merseyside for certain.

We could easily find ourselves replacing the spine of the team this summer.
i'd allow Boyd, Barton and Arfield to leave and probably Defour. Replace with younger better players, in order to bring players in we'll need to allow a few to go otherwise we'd end up with a huge squad which I don't see as a good thing. I think we should cherry pick from the relegated sides. Clayton or Forshaw would be a good Barton replacement, Grosicki for Boyd/Arfield, Defoe/Abel Hernandez/Llorente as a striking option. Leroy Fer/Sigurdsson/Mawson from Swansea. That's just me throwing names around without knowing wages but i'm sure you understand.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by Darthlaw » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:50 pm

CombatClaret wrote:It stands to reason you should be looking to keep a player wanted by many other teams.
Two points:

1. How many teams actually want him? The article stinks of agent fodder touting him around.

2. It's a two way decision. If Boyd thinks he can get a better payday and (possibly more important to him) to play first team football then he may not be interested in any offer Burnley put forward.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by CombatClaret » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:58 pm

KRBFC wrote:i'd allow Boyd, Barton and Arfield to leave and probably Defour.
Add Keane that's 5 first team transfers to say nothing of any strikers.
Dyche shows loyalty and believes strongly in team spirit and cohesion. I can't see him doing a Boro or a Watford and buying a whole new team.
He's also picky over character and fitness.

Grosicki/Defoe/Abel Hernandez/Llorente
All good options but they are so obvious every other team will be in for them too and we don't do well in bidding wars (See Snodgrass).

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Re: George Boyd

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:59 pm

Blackrod wrote:Boyd scored a very good goal and put in 100% effort. He wasn't man of the match. The sponsors often pick the goalscorer.
He was sponsors' man of the match, that is a fact. He was also BBC's man of the match.

Just because he wasn't your man of the match, doesn't make it a lie.
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Re: George Boyd

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:07 pm

Darthlaw wrote:
1. How many teams actually want him? The article stinks of agent fodder touting him around.
Exactly what I thought when I read it.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:27 pm

Tall Paul wrote:He was sponsors' man of the match, that is a fact. He was also BBC's man of the match.

Just because he wasn't your man of the match, doesn't make it a lie.
Unless you were watching the game like a diehard the goal scorer in a game with very limited chances will always get man of the match.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:31 pm

I really like Boyd. One of the hardest working players you will ever see, vital to us and comes up with the odd massive goal. City, Stoke, Bournemouth, MK Dons etc. All important winning goals.

One year though is probably right for us and wrong for him.

He is as fit as they come and two years times shouldnt make much difference, but once his fitness decreases his worth to us diminishes far more than with some others.

Hope we keep him but if we dont good luck to him (and us!)

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Re: George Boyd

Post by Top Claret » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:31 pm

Darthlaw wrote:Not unsurprising if true. Boyd will get one final windfall signing on fee and no doubt a longer contract if he looks elsewhere. Possibly more first team football too as, realistically, the right wing position should be top of the list for upgrading this summer.

If Boro sink, it would be good to look at Adama Traore, particularly after his performance against Hull. Quite Boyd-esque in terms of tracking back but with the added pace of a cheetah.

How would he get more 1st team football? Boyd is the first name on the team every week, it has since the day we signed him from Hull.

I have been a fan of Boys the last 16 months, I finally get him. Before that, I would have driven him to the club of his choice

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Re: George Boyd

Post by alicante claret » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:32 pm

Not good news but inevitable squad will change over the summer. I would hope the offer remains available. Grass often seems greener. This is realistically final chance of a money making deal. He has whatever people think of ability been model professional in his time with us.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by Blackrod » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:36 pm

I didn't say it was a lie. That was another poster. Try reading and thinking about it before you reply. Obviously it is my opinion he wasn't man of the match not withstanding his 100% effort and his well taken goal. If you look at the player ratings I don't think the majority though he was man of the match either. In my opinion the sponsors often don't pick the real man of the match.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by the_magic_rat » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:40 pm

He certainly wasn't my man of the match on Tuesday but I felt he had one of his best games for some time. Is it entirely by chance that his improved performances recently have coincided with contract negotiations?

Last season in the Championship for me his form was abject for the first two-thirds of the season. During the run-in he was arguably our best-performing player. Boyd's been a an important component of the Dyche machine but I wish him luck with getting a new three-year deal with another Premier League club if the article is correct. I'd be doubtful about offering him another two years.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by Wile E Coyote » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:45 pm

You should have a do at working your b******s off for 90minutes in a team where hardly anyone can pass straight !
He gets up and down that pitch every week trying to dig his team mates out.
We aren't the sort of team that can exploit the talent he has with a ball, so he has to be part workhorse.
I am a huge fan.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by ablueclaret » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:00 pm

I'm sure Boyd deserves some time at a club where he can display his skills rather than run around a lot.
He is a better player than we've ever seen. Think Derby Fulham or Brighton might be a good fit.
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Re: George Boyd

Post by SGr » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:02 pm

I'll be honest, I think it's best for both club and player

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Re: George Boyd

Post by TVC15 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:10 pm

one year offer seems fair enough to me.

we need to improve the quality of the team next year and for me that means Boyd being a squad player.

He`s been a good servant to the club and like most wingers has streaks of playing well and then dips for a couple of months. Boyd has certainly done this playing for us - he was average at best for most of last season and then the best player in the last 8 games. This year he`s had a better season than I expected actually and is important to the way we play.

If he leaves I think it will be on good terms with the club and fans. Everybody leaves at some point and we can`t give a deal to a player that the manager does not think is justified simply because there is a risk we will lose other players in the team. We have at least 2 other younger players in Brady and JBG who can play his position.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by Darthlaw » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:11 pm

Top Claret wrote:How would he get more 1st team football? Boyd is the first name on the team every week, it has since the day we signed him from Hull.

I have been a fan of Boys the last 16 months, I finally get him. Before that, I would have driven him to the club of his choice
Allow me to be more clear as I assume you missed the important bit from my original post.

'Possibly more first team football too as, realistically, the right wing position should be top of the list for upgrading this summer.'

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Re: George Boyd

Post by MACCA » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:18 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Which part of that is a lie?
I see others have already responded similar to my thoughts.

So to save time.

You're right. He was the best player on the pitch a worthy man of the match and in turn deserves a 3 year deal.

I'm glad I sit in the turf with my eyes covered, then I know what the papers describe is 100% correct.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by dsr » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:33 pm

MACCA wrote:I see others have already responded similar to my thoughts.

So to save time.

You're right. He was the best player on the pitch a worthy man of the match and in turn deserves a 3 year deal.

I'm glad I sit in the turf with my eyes covered, then I know what the papers describe is 100% correct.
That's not the point. Just because you (and other people) don't think he deserved it, does not make it a lie. He was officially man of the match.

If the Daily Mail said "Emma Stone won the best actress Oscar", and you and many other critics think she was rubbish, doesn't make it a lie that she won it.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by Walt » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:40 pm

2 years would be crazy for him from our point of view. Looking likely we'll be in Prem next season at which point he should be a squad player if we recruit well. By year 2 if we stay up he should be nowhere near the matchday squad.

If we want to progress we're at a stage where we need to be ruthless to ensure we milk the sky money for as long as possible, so I'd let him go. It would be a shame as he's done a good job for us but that's the way it goes.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by MACCA » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:40 pm

So just because some person who has sponsored the match says he was man if match, I have to believe him and it's taken as a fact?

He wasn't even close, so It's a lie. He wasn't the best player on the pitch.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:11 pm

Agree with most of the comments here
One year is right for us but, understandably, not for him
We have to look for an improvement on GB for next season (and others) so why offer two years for someone who is going to be on the bench if we get our recruitment right
A younger player with potential would be the ideal bench cover for wide right
His defensive qualities have been good but when was the last time you saw him go down the line,actually beat a man with pace, and make a cross

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Re: George Boyd

Post by IanMcL » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:15 pm

When the wheels fall off because we lose a core of players in the transfer window, then the likes of George Boyd become vital to keep the team stabilised.

Let's hope it is all negotiation.
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Re: George Boyd

Post by maidenover » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:31 pm

Surprised he's only been offered only a year - whatever his playing merits his fitness is outstanding. Could see offering only a year if he was 34, but not 31.
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Re: George Boyd

Post by NickBFC » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:42 pm

He's been an excellent signing for us, no doubting that. However, if we really want to push on and improve then he's one of the players then needs upgrading IMO. I'd happily see him sign for 12 months as cover, but he's more than likely wanting security of a longer deal, or having one last payday with a decent signing on fee elsewhere. Can't say I am fussed either way on this.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by Sidney1st » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:59 pm

No point upgrading on him if we don't upgrade on others too.

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Re: George Boyd

Post by Darthlaw » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:03 pm

Sidney1st wrote:No point upgrading on him if we don't upgrade on others too.
We're likely to be upgrading our right wing, central midfield and possibly forward line. I think thats pretty much a given.

We'll be forced into signing a defender once Keane goes too, however this is likely to be cover for Tarkowski who sill no doubt replace Keane in the side.
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Re: George Boyd

Post by HollandsPies » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:14 pm

If I were Boyd, I'd think 1yr was derisory.
The club should be offering 2yrs. Dyche rates him and would play him next season no doubt about that.
Bench warmer in his second and last season for me.
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