Barnes yesterday

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:28 am

Not much been said of his elbow on Ayala yesterday.

Think Ayala made a meal of the initial incident. Wasnt the only one. But Barnes is very lucky (or clever and I suspect its the former) that the linesman wasnt on his side of the pitch.

Im sure Dyche will have noted it.

Winding the opposition up is a great tactic and pays off quite often. But petulance like that could have cost us more than it has this season.

I hope Barnes keeps his edge. But things like dont help his reputation and I cant help but think are a reason his cards are marked by refs before we start the game.

Needs to be smarter. There are cameras all around now. Rough them up. Dusrupt their game. Annoy them. Dont blatantly elbow someone off the ball while theyre down already claiming you elbowed them.

Tinribs · Post by **Tinribs** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:35 am

You cant beat em join em
We have learnt a lot from our last season in the prem.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:38 am

I'm glad he's in our team/squad...every decent team I would suggest, has a player like Barnes in it.

He'll do for me.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:44 am

I like Barnes and I like his aggression. But he needs to be smarter.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:47 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I like Barnes and I like his aggression. But he needs to be smarter.

It will cost us eventually, he's not very subtle about it is he

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:23 am

Nothing wrong with how Barnes goes about his business. Every single team we've played this year as a big uncomprising niggling cheating ******* some have had two or three and Barnes is ours.

We aren't going to stay in this league unless we cheat and bend the rules like the other 19 teams, a sad endightment but it's the modern game.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:40 am

I think the last few games have shown us how best to use Barnes at this level: off the bench for the last 20 minutes or so.

Quite affective when he came on against Stoke but he's offered us next to nothing from the start of games for a while now. Far too concerned about throwing himself into defenders and appealing for free kicks rather than actually trying to create something in the final third.

Surprised to see him stay on ahead of Gray.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:42 am

Steve1956 wrote:It will cost us eventually, he's not very subtle about it is he

Barnes has been at the club over 3 years and he has not cost us yet. Take the edge of his game and he won't get one

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:49 am

I think Barnes' ability to influence games is often overlooked. In games where referees have sought to clamp down on his style of gameplay we have been seriously limited. I think this is a key reason why we struggle away but do well at home. The ref gets influenced by the crowd - at home this works in our favour as Barnes is able to disrupt the defenders and give Gray or Vokes the space needed. Away from home he gets nowt and therefore neither do we!

Stalbansclaret · Post by **Stalbansclaret** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:53 am

I don't think it's true to say he hasn't cost us yet...what about his first half sending off at Everton 2 years ago for one of the wildest "tackles" you'd ever see ?

Love him but needs to be careful.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:57 am

I do fear for him against Everton if he starts. A very vocal crowd over any decision and we have had a player sent off both times we have been in the prem including Barnes last time.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:00 pm

Foulthrow wrote:I think Barnes' ability to influence games is often overlooked. In games where referees have sought to clamp down on his style of gameplay we have been seriously limited. I think this is a key reason why we struggle away but do well at home. The ref gets influenced by the crowd - at home this works in our favour as Barnes is able to disrupt the defenders and give Gray or Vokes the space needed. Away from home he gets nowt and therefore neither do we!

It seems like all refs are clamping down on him. He's been found out and it's seriously limiting his effectiveness. It didn't help that he got himself booked for a ridiculous and pointless foul yesterday preventing him from playing with that edge.

It's easy to point to statistics and say that's he's not a liability but yesterday he was again lucky to stay on the pitch.

I like Barnes, he offers more than Vokes but his antics are becoming tiresome. I'd hope he's used as an impact sub next season which is when he's at his best.

cblantfanclub · Post by **cblantfanclub** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:00 pm

Biggest problem is he doesn't score.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:00 pm

Barnes should carry on doing what he's doing because if he doesn't he will be less effective.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:00 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:I think the last few games have shown us how best to use Barnes at this level: off the bench for the last 20 minutes or so.

Quite affective when he came on against Stoke but he's offered us next to nothing from the start of games for a while now. Far too concerned about throwing himself into defenders and appealing for free kicks rather than actually trying to create something in the final third.

Surprised to see him stay on ahead of Gray.

Barnes throwing himself about is crucial to how we play. We create very little from open play and set pieces are critical to our goal threat. He wins some he loses some but he's doing exactly what Dyche is asking of him, that bit is obvious.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:24 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Barnes throwing himself about is crucial to how we play. We create very little from open play and set pieces are critical to our goal threat. He wins some he loses some but he's doing exactly what Dyche is asking of him, that bit is obvious.

As Rileybobs has already stated, the officials are on to him now. They know his game and they're no longer falling for it. Hence why many of Barnes' both arms up in the air appeals are falling on deaf ears now.

If anything his playing style is actually hindering him, because there are times when he genuinely is being fouled by the defender and the referee doesn't give anything.

I don't mind him being used as an impact sub late on games, but I'll be disappointed if we're still starting him up front next season.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:50 pm

Barnes is a great player, he gets stuck in hard, which we want, but dirty, I don't think so. Too many pussies in the game who like to make a meal of every challenge and cry to the referee. If Barnes was playing 30 years ago he wouldn't be giving away free kicks, let alone collecting yellows. The worlds changed, I hope Ash doesn't.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:12 pm

Goodison park next week.

Another red for Ashley??

Could be the perfect game for him to bully a young/slow /inexperienced defence

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:36 pm

He's the most cynical fouler I've ever seen at Burnley.

IWOODLOVETT · Post by **IWOODLOVETT** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:31 pm

I wish Vokes did more of it.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:48 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:Barnes is a great player, he gets stuck in hard, which we want, but dirty, I don't think so. Too many pussies in the game who like to make a meal of every challenge and cry to the referee. If Barnes was playing 30 years ago he wouldn't be giving away free kicks, let alone collecting yellows. The worlds changed, I hope Ash doesn't.

What does this even mean? I don't know how you can say Barnes doesn't make a meal of challenges. That's his entire plan to win us free-kicks and you best believe he's the first one in the refs ear. 30 years ago Barnes wouldn't be giving away free-kicks, he also wouldn't be winning them either.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:51 pm

I'm sorry. Are people really complaining that we have a player who likes to get stuck in?

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:57 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:What does this even mean? I don't know how you can say Barnes doesn't make a meal of challenges. That's his entire plan to win us free-kicks and you best believe he's the first one in the refs ear. 30 years ago Barnes wouldn't be giving away free-kicks, he also wouldn't be winning them either.

I can't disagree, he does play for fouls, and he does give the verbal to the ref, bit people complain that he's a dirty player when in fact he's doing what every other forward in the league does. Yet apparently Ash is dirty, the rest aren't.
I still wouldn't change him or his style.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:34 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:I do fear for him against Everton if he starts. A very vocal crowd over any decision and we have had a player sent off both times we have been in the prem including Barnes last time.

spot on

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:37 pm

Of all 3 main strikers, Ash is the one I would keep. Purely for the menace factor, would do well with a better striker at his side.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:44 pm

starting_11 wrote:I'm sorry. Are people really complaining that we have a player who likes to get stuck in?

Think people are complaining because he is shite. If he is still starting games for us next season we'll be in deep trouble.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:57 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Think people are complaining because he is shite. If he is still starting games for us next season we'll be in deep trouble.

He's starting games this season. Will next season's "deep trouble" be the same as this season's?

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:00 pm

the sinner is often sinned upon!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:56 pm

claretblue wrote:the sinner is often sinned upon!

Refs know he gets what he gives.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:57 pm

starting_11 wrote:I'm sorry. Are people really complaining that we have a player who likes to get stuck in?

Not at all. Complaining because he is stupid with it. Totally unmecessary elbow. Anyone who disagrees on the elbow is looking through ridiculously tinted claret specs.

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:57 pm

gives as good as he gets. top player to have in your squad.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:05 pm

he's a p rick, he can pack his bags along with Dyche. I used to like Barnes but the constant wrestling matches are annoying, he's the biggest cheat in the league and barely offers a goal threat.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:09 pm

...And who does, exactly?

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:09 pm

We created very little yesterday. The best chance was Brady's free kick following a foul on Barnes. He's the only player who has consistently won us decisions in dangerous areas. Take that away and we become much less of a threat. He's very good at what he does and as has been stated he's obviously playing to instruction. If he didn't follow those instructions he wouldn't be starting games.

As noted above pretty much every team at this level has a player like him, admittedly some are more technically gifted but he's been an integral part of our success this season.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:12 pm

KRBFC wrote:he's a p rick, he can pack his bags along with Dyche. I used to like Barnes but the constant wrestling matches are annoying, he's the biggest cheat in the league and barely offers a goal threat.

You've said several times in the past you don't criticise our players and now you call one of them a p rick...nice

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:19 pm

He can be brilliant though: that goal at Anfield; the one at home to Wigan in Dyche's first promotion season. I agree we don't see enough of that.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:22 pm

How many goals has he scored?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:23 pm

ablueclaret wrote:How many goals has he scored?

Don't you know?

What with you being such an expert on all things related to our team.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:24 pm

taio wrote:You've said several times in the past you don't criticise our players and now you call one of them a p rick...nice

I don't normally criticise our players but I'm an all new KRBFC and I realised I don't like Barnes.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:25 pm

KRBFC wrote:he's a p rick, he can pack his bags along with Dyche. I used to like Barnes but the constant wrestling matches are annoying, he's the biggest cheat in the league and barely offers a goal threat.

So Dyche, Barnes... who else?

Would we be left with anyone, if it was up to you?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:28 pm

fidelcastro wrote:So Dyche, Barnes... who else?

Would we be left with anyone, if it was up to you?

Ian Woan comes across as a p rick, apart from that, I'm not complaining.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:30 pm

KRBFC wrote:Ian Woan comes across as a p rick, apart from that, I'm not complaining.

Not like your mate Coyle then?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:30 pm

Never liked Fidel much, what a womaniser,

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:31 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Not like your mate Coyle then?

the Coyle season was the best i've had supporting this club, I can't speakly badly about his time with us.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:34 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Never liked Fidel much, what a womaniser,

What a complete tit you are abc.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:39 pm

He was fairly cute again to "win" the free kick that led to Brady hitting the bar.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:40 pm

KRBFC wrote:the Coyle season was the best i've had supporting this club, I can't speakly badly about his time with us.

Yet under Dyche we've finished 2nd and 1st with 93 points, plus we look like we're going to stay up this season, but the Coyle season was better?

Are you and abc mates by any chance?

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:01 pm

Our answer to Diego Costs .Ash has been a top signing."He doesn't score?" Winner v Palace .Remember ?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:30 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Yet under Dyche we've finished 2nd and 1st with 93 points, plus we look like we're going to stay up this season, but the Coyle season was better?

Are you and abc mates by any chance?

The brand of football, the cup run, the general atmosphere around the place and the day out at Wembley. Give me that again over a Dyche promotion where we scraped most wins, 2nd best most games and probably timewasted for at least 7 full games over a 46 game season. You forget Dyche had a £10m striker upfront, Coyle had a team built by Cotts on peanuts bar Eagles and Pato who cost less than Boyd combined. Oh yeah and under Coyle we had Blake and Wade, so i'll always prefer that team/season.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:34 pm

KRBFC wrote:The brand of football, the cup run, the general atmosphere around the place and the day out at Wembley. Give me that again over a Dyche promotion where we scraped most wins, 2nd best most games and probably timewasted for at least 7 full games over a 46 game season. You forget Dyche had a £10m striker upfront, Coyle had a team built by Cotts on peanuts bar Eagles and Pato who cost less than Boyd combined. Oh yeah and under Coyle we had Blake and Wade, so i'll always prefer that team/season.

To put it mildly... that's being rather economical with the truth, but hey, if it gets you the attention that you crave... fill your boots!

EDIT: Who was this 10 million pound striker?

First I heard