O/T Just let it go

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:18 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eport-says

Why can't the re-moaners and their flagship rag not just let it go?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:22 pm

Ironic coming from someone with the username brexit.

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:23 pm

I can let it go democracy won

In Nigel We Trust

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:27 pm

Brexit all came about because a load of archaic tits wouldn't let something which happened 40 years prior lie.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:35 pm

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:37 pm

brexit wrote:I can let it go democracy won

In Nigel We Trust

If the vote had been the other way around, with the same margin, Nigel Farage and his followers would've thrown the largest paddy in history.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:38 pm

Brexiteers, for decades argue against being in the EU and that's fine. Remainers spend less than a single year argueing against leaving the EU and it's "why can't you just let it go".

OP is an idiot and a hypocrite.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:39 pm

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:If the vote had been the other way around, with the same margin, Nigel Farage and his followers would've thrown the largest paddy in history.

He literally said that it wouldn't be the end of it.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:41 pm

brexit wrote:I can let it go democracy won

In Nigel We Trust

Actually, no. Leave won, democracy lost.

No campaign that wins through fearmongering and flat out lies, like the Leave campaign, can credibly be said to be a win for democracy.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:41 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He literally said that it wouldn't be the end of it.

Yep. I'm a massive fan of people saying "Democracy won, shut up and get on with it" without them realising the irony whatsoever.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:49 pm

Walton wrote:Brexit all came about because a load of archaic tits wouldn't let something which happened 40 years prior lie.

I couldn't stand another Brexit thread but..........

What we joined 40 years ago is unrecognisable from what we quit. That was why we had the vote in the first place.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:51 pm

The vote was held because David Cameron wanted to silence his backbenchers and the fruitcakes and loons in UKIP once and for all.

The Leave side then created a whole host of outright lies, which 51.9% of the people voting fell for.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:52 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:I couldn't stand another Brexit thread but..........

What we joined 40 years ago is unrecognisable from what we quit. That was why we had the vote in the first place.

Yep - and people with that opinion didn't "just let it go", as they're expecting people with opposite opinions to do. Honestly, people say all Leave voters are racist - they aren't. But they all definitely don't understand irony.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:02 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Actually, no. Leave won, democracy lost.

No campaign that wins through fearmongering and flat out lies, like the Leave campaign, can credibly be said to be a win for democracy.

He's off again

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:04 pm

Walton wrote:Brexit all came about because a load of archaic tits wouldn't let something which happened 40 years prior lie.

Didn't we have a democratic vote 40 yrs ago,just like we did this time ?

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:07 pm

Walton wrote:The vote was held because David Cameron wanted to silence his backbenchers and the fruitcakes and loons in UKIP once and for all.

The Leave side then created a whole host of outright lies, which 51.9% of the people voting fell for.

Just shows that 48.1% of the country lost to a democratic vote ,like forty years ago when we voted to go in ..

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:10 pm

My point was the Guardian is still banging on about this.
In Nigel We Trust.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:11 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Actually, no. Leave won, democracy lost.

No campaign that wins through fearmongering and flat out lies, like the Leave campaign, can credibly be said to be a win for democracy.

Oh IT predictive bl@@dy text

I get what you meant

Actually No Leave won and the Status Quo lost

And no vote that is won against the Status Quo will be allowed to be fully implemented and Democracy will lose

We can ratify that by the use of the word representative as a prefix

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:15 pm

Who else likes sausages, I love um !

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:22 pm

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:22 pm

brexit wrote:My point was the Guardian is still banging on about this.
In Nigel We Trust.

Just as The Daily Mail, The Sun and The Express would've been if it had been the other way around. Only times two. What's your point?

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:27 pm

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:Just as The Daily Mail, The Sun and The Express would've been if it had been the other way around. Only times two. What's your point?

We are now entering the realms of advanced muppetry.
In Nigel We Trust

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:13 pm

Walton wrote:The vote was held because David Cameron wanted to silence his backbenchers and the fruitcakes and loons in UKIP once and for all.

The Leave side then created a whole host of outright lies, which 51.9% of the people voting fell for.

People do get pretty sick of the "I voted remain, that means I'm clever" attitude. In your own mind, you and many remainers like you, you are so self-evidently right that you can't believe the rest of us can validly hold another opinion.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:31 pm

I just can't believe you've ****** our country up for generations based on lies

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:38 pm

Walton wrote:I just can't believe you've ****** our country up for generations based on lies

..Phook me Walton,you're gonna worry yourself into an early grave..

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:46 pm

Walton wrote:I just can't believe you've ****** our country up for generations based on lies

I love remoaner tears

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:53 pm

Walton wrote:I just can't believe you've ****** our country up for generations based on lies

And still shake my head that you are so certain that you are right and there is no other valid opinion. I think Britain will be better for Brexit, but I accept that I might be wrong because after all, I'm not all-powerful or all-knowing. You don't accept that you might be wrong.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:53 pm

In 220 years time there will be a recession and a faint voice will be heard saying be that bloody brexit

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:57 pm

Walton wrote:The vote was held because David Cameron wanted to silence his backbenchers and the fruitcakes and loons in UKIP once and for all.

The Leave side then created a whole host of outright lies, which 51.9% of the people voting fell for.

You make it sound like no one fibbed on the remain side.

You do know politicians/experts fib to suit their agendas don't you?

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:03 pm

brexit wrote:In Nigel We Trust

This Nigel?

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:07 pm

Sidney1st wrote:You make it sound like no one fibbed on the remain side.

You do know politicians/experts fib to suit their agendas don't you?

And here's the biggest fibber on the Remain side...

How anyone can respect and trust her is beyond me. She's inept at best. We're ******.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:08 pm

Sidney1st wrote:You make it sound like no one fibbed on the remain side.

You do know politicians/experts fib to suit their agendas don't you?

Does he heck..

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:08 pm

Should she have said I have seen the result of the vote but tough I disagree with you so we are remaining ?

Also looking at the state of the 3 others in the picture, would you really side with people looking like that ?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:11 pm

Walton wrote:And here's the biggest fibber on the Remain side...

How anyone can respect and trust her is beyond me. She's inept at best. We're ******.

Why is she fibbing?

All she's currently doing is acting on the result of the referendum, that's her job.
Are you saying you've no respect for someone who's respecting a democratic vote?

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:12 pm

Bearing in mind they're highly likely to be tories, no

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:13 pm

Sidney1st wrote:You make it sound like no one fibbed on the remain side.

You do know politicians/experts fib to suit their agendas don't you?

Of course they do. But the most stupid agendas require the biggest fibs.

Neither side covered themselves in glory, but some of the garbage pumped out by the Leave campaign was, quite frankly, an insult to the intelligence of the British public. Or so I thought.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:19 pm

So Walton, let me get this straight; all Tories are wrong because they are Tories, all Brexiters are wrong because they are Brexiteers? Perhaps it's you that's wrong because you are being a knob.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:25 pm

Ted Heath was desparate to get us in and the vote was apparently to join.It will be interesting in a few years time when the actual vote is in the public domain.I have never met anyone who voted yes.It was always a French and German club worked for their interests alone. We were tolerated for the millions we give the EEC to waste and now the founder members are trying every trick possible to delay our going.
We must ensure we pay nothing in the year we leave .

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:28 pm

"Foreign states may have interfered in vote."

"The crash had indications of being a DDOS ‘attack’. We understand that this is very common and easy to do with botnets... The key indicants are timing and relative volume rate,” the committee’s report said.

I don't know about foreign states, but from that quote from the committee's report the underlined words are evidence that a "foreign language" has taken over a parliamentary committee.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:30 pm

"Foreign states may have interfered in vote." (2)

Is it just my memory, didn't POTUS, IMF and others all express their opinions and "interfere" in the vote?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:40 pm

This interference didn't affect the vote anyway, because they extended the voting time for two days to ensure that people who missed that 100 minute window still had time to register.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:46 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Ted Heath was desparate to get us in and the vote was apparently to join.It will be interesting in a few years time when the actual vote is in the public domain.I have never met anyone who voted yes.It was always a French and German club worked for their interests alone. We were tolerated for the millions we give the EEC to waste and now the founder members are trying every trick possible to delay our going.
We must ensure we pay nothing in the year we leave .

Hi Woodley, Ted Heath was keen and so was Harold Wilson before him. Prime Minister Heath was successful in negotiating membership of EEC and UK joined 1-Jan-1973. Wilson returned as PM in 1974 (2 elections that year). There were voices against EEC membership in both Labour party and Conservatives - greater majority of antis were on Labour's side. Wilson organised referendum in 1976 (if my memory is correct on date).

I voted yes in 1976 (22 at the time). Large majority for yes. (Someone can look up the numbers).

Thing is, EEC and EU are two different things. We weren't consulted about the "morphing" of EEC into EU. (A few countries did have referenda on these treaty changes. Those that voted "no" first time were asked to vote again. Ireland was one of them). Some of the EU ideas were good, but the EU has lost it's way with (i) euro and euro zone - why impoverish so many of the Eurozone countries on the flawed belief that a single currency can be the precursor to a singe European state? (ii) the ever stronger push for a "united states of Europe" led by the "political elites" in Brussels.

UK is better off standing aside and allowing the "new EU" to explore its destiny. It may be that the EU, as their political elite wants it, will be better off without the UK as a member. Europe will be better off if we all learn to be accepting of differences, while continuing to hold out our hand in friendship for all our neighbours.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:04 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Brexiteers, for decades argue against being in the EU and that's fine. Remainers spend less than a single year argueing against leaving the EU and it's "why can't you just let it go".

OP is an idiot and a hypocrite.

I thought you were smarter than that.
It's an obvious cast and you've had a nibble.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:28 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Brexiteers, for decades argue against being in the EU and that's fine. Remainers spend less than a single year argueing against leaving the EU and it's "why can't you just let it go".

OP is an idiot and a hypocrite.

Btw, it's 'arguing'.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:46 pm

Walton wrote:And here's the biggest fibber on the Remain side...

How anyone can respect and trust her [Theresa May] is beyond me. She's inept at best. We're ******.

She is many things but a "fibber" and "inept" are two things which she is not.

She is a devout Christian and unabashed truth-teller. She is a lady who delivers constant home-truths to those who she believes do not have a good grasp of their brief.

As for the idea that she is "inept" - this is laughable. She has a reputation based on over 20 years as an MP as one of the hardest working and efficient MPs in Parliament. She held her previous role as Home Secretary for the longest period in 60 years and achieved many successes that had eluded her predecessors.

The post had previously been the deathbed of many politicians. Her record as Home Secretary is excellent.

She may not be charismatic or glamorous and she may indulge in too much politicking from time to time but the accusations you are trying to throw here simply do not match up to Theresa May's record or abilities. She is a model of quiet competence.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:49 pm

Rowls wrote:She is many things but a "fibber" and "inept" are two things which she is not.

She is a devout Christian and unabashed truth-teller. She is a lady who delivers constant home-truths to those who she believes do not have a good grasp of their brief.

As for the idea that she is "inept" - this is laughable. She has a reputation based on over 20 years as an MP as one of the hardest working and efficient MPs in Parliament. She held her previous role as Home Secretary for the longest period in 60 years and achieved many successes that had eluded her predecessors.

The post had previously been the deathbed of many politicians. Her record as Home Secretary is excellent.

She may not be charismatic or glamorous and she may indulge in too much politicking from time to time but the accusations you are trying to throw here simply do not match up to Theresa May's record or abilities. She is a model of quiet competence.

The only person I've been as gushy about ever in my life is Dean Marney.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:55 pm

Rowls wrote:She is a devout Christian.

Means absolutely nothing. Are you saying Christians are more honest than most?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:21 pm

“I will forgive no one who does not respect the sovereign voice of the British people once it has spoken. Whether it is a majority of 1% or of 20%, when the British people have spoken you do what they command. Either you believe in democracy or you do not.”

Paddy Ashdown, June 2016

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:48 pm

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:The only person I've been as gushy about ever in my life is Dean Marney.

I was resolutely descriptivist. It's genuinely diffiult to get "gushy" about somebody as bland as Theresa May.

You've mistaken complimentary language for emotional attachment.

Spijed wrote:Means absolutely nothing. Are you saying Christians are more honest than most?

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Christians are more honest than most. Good* Christians (and I believe Theresa May to be one) doubly so.

We are all imperfect creatures and prone to telling porkies. What's to stop us? Well, if you're an atheist then only your internal sense of morality. If you're a Christian you have that in equal measure to the atheist but you also have God's looming judgement swinging above your mortal soul. Human nature being what it is, it's a handy thing to have that Old Testament God hanging around at times.

* By which I mean, regular church-going Christians who actually uphold Christian values; not just any old preachy soul who happens to have 'found Christ'.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:29 pm

Rowls wrote: Human nature being what it is, it's a handy thing to have that Old Testament God hanging around at times.

Too right. How else would I know how to properly treat my slave? Three cheers for piety.