Second Half Of The Season

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:40 am

Just calculated our points tally and its a shocker we have only picked up a miserly 13 points
SOUTHAMPTON win
LEICESTER win
CHELSEA draw
Hull draw
Sunderland draw
STOKE win
Middlesbrough draw
With five games to go we can vastly improve it, but it just shows what a good first half of the season we did have.
I also think we have been sussed out by teams now to a degree and triers can only carry you so far
On analyzing our form second half we need to address were we come short and go out at some cost to rectify in the close season no second best will do, the three clubs that come up will have to recruit big we have to make sure our arsenal is stronger and better
With the teams that go down we will not have another set of teams consistently keeping the gap like we have had this second half of the season it seems like we have had that 8 point gap for ever but going of our form we have been very very lucky to sustain it and not have been drag right in their.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:47 am

Our form is shocking. It is quite possible we won't win again and the team's below are more than capable of stringing a run of wins together.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:47 am

Having 11 games at home and 8 away in the first half of the season probably has something to do with it.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:48 am

Well the main factor is that the first half of the season consisted of 11 homes games and 8 away. We've probably played better in the second half of the season but picked up less points because we've only played 5 at home so far and two of those are the top two.

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:49 am

that ' eight point gap' applies to several teams, West Ham, Bournemouth to name but two.

I do agree that with the loss of Keane, and maybe Heaton we will have to adjust our style of play. I am not suggesting a wholesale change but over a few seasons we will need to recruit better quality players who can win matches with that spark of quality. Stoke have done it, Swansea have failed.

It is the next phase of the clubs development and we should be excited not fearful

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:49 am

First half of season: 11 home games, 22 points; 8 away games, 1 point. total 19 games 23 points.
Second half of season: 5 home games, 10 points; 9 away games, 3 points. total 14 games, 13 points.

Put that way, home form has remained constant in the second half of the season, and away form has marginally improved. Well done the team!

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:50 am

Blackrod wrote:Our form is shocking. It is quite possible we won't win again and the team's below are more than capable of stringing a run of wins together.

19 points in the last 8 home games? The only ones we didn't win, Chelsea and Spurs? No so very bad really. Certainly not shocking.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:53 am

In fact if you reverse the Liverpool fixtures back to where they should have been (and assume the same results) we'd have picked up 20 points in the first half of the season and be on 16 with five to play in the second half. Our form hasn't dipped at all really.

ThinLizzy · Post by **ThinLizzy** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:56 am

Very, very unfortunate not to pick up at least a point against Arsenal, Watford or Liverpool. Very good performance at Everton undone by two deflections and a lapse of concentration. Creditable draws against Chelsea and a resurgent Hull (at home at least). Could possibly have nicked a win at Sunderland and Boro.
Only Swansea and Spurs stand out as games where we have actually underperformed in the second half. Overall, pleased with the performances (those two aside) if not the results.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:01 am

Longside4evr wrote:Just calculated our points tally and its a shocker we have only picked up a miserly 13 points

Are you not happy with a home record of played 5 - won 3 - drawn 1 - lost 1 - how on earth is that a shocker? It was always going to be different in the second half of the season due to the sheer volume of away games to play.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:01 am

Blackrod wrote:Our form is shocking. It is quite possible we won't win again and the team's below are more than capable of stringing a run of wins together.

Are you being serious?

Hull and Swansea's away form is absolutely dire compared to ours so how on earth are the capable of putting a run together?

The real stats are that in the second half of the season the home form has been better than in the first half of the season and so has the away form.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:06 am

Longside4evr wrote:Just calculated our points tally and its a shocker we have only picked up a miserly 13 points

Here are some stats for you

First Half of Season

2.00 points per home game
0.13 points per away game

Second Half of Season to date

2.00 points per home game
0.33 points per away game

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:10 am

dsr wrote:First half of season: 11 home games, 22 points; 8 away games, 1 point. total 19 games 23 points.
Second half of season: 5 home games, 10 points; 9 away games, 3 points. total 14 games, 13 points.

Put that way, home form has remained constant in the second half of the season, and away form has marginally improved. Well done the team!

I thoroughly agree well done the Club, it was all about having another season in the sun and going on to establish yourself and we have more or less delivered that part.
For argument sake more home games was played first half yes, but in all this we held our nerve and carried on taking wins at home when bad away form was talked about to start creeping into our mindset and start to put pressure on our home form in desperation to drag out points never happened in fact we went on from strength to strength
But regardless of this the fact in our second half of the season we have been in bad form you can blame it on away form or whatever but its bad and at all cost we can not afford for a repeat of this to happen next season, blaming how the fixtures fell thats very weak and sticking your head in the sand argument at best

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:13 am

Longside4evr wrote:I thoroughly agree well done the Club, it was all about having another season in the sun and going on to establish yourself and we have more or less delivered that part.
For argument sake more home games was played first half yes, but in all this we held our nerve and carried on taking wins at home when bad away form was talked about to start creeping into our mindset and start to put pressure on our home form in desperation to drag out points never happened in fact we went on from strength to strength
But regardless of this the fact in our second half of the season we have been in bad form you can blame it on away form or whatever but its bad and at all cost we can not afford for a repeat of this to happen next season, blaming how the fixtures fell thats very weak and sticking your head in the sand argument at best

Please read post #12. Our form in the second half of the season is actually better so far.

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:20 am

ClaretTony wrote:Here are some stats for you

First Half of Season

2.00 points per home game
0.13 points per away game

Second Half of Season to date

2.00 points per home game
0.33 points per away game

Tony you have dressed that up its not a true reflection
Total points haul 42 points up for grabs
total gained 13 points

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:22 am

Longside4evr wrote:Tony you have dressed that up its not a true reflection
Total points haul 42 points up for grabs
total gained 13 points

I think you'll find those are the actual facts. Home form maintained, away form better.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:23 am

Longside4evr wrote:Tony you have dressed that up its not a true reflection
Total points haul 42 points up for grabs
total gained 13 points

I haven't dressed anything up at all - I've just pointed out what you clearly missed in terms of home/away games played. We've continued at 2 points per game at home in the second half of the season, which is absolutely outstanding, and we've improved the away form with 3 points from 9 games as opposed to 1 point from 8. We've already played more away games in the second half of the season than we did in the entire first half. That's no dressing things up - it's stating the facts which you ignored.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:26 am

The away form is still dreadful though. 3 points from 9 games is dreadful, bearing in mind 4 of those games were against the bottom 4.

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:29 am

Its not a condemnation of how we are doing it just I know their is room for improvement I could have been a tad harsh on saying SHOCKING I was looking at results Hull away 1 point,
Sunderland away 1 point Swansea no points Middlesbrough 1 point
Middlesbroughs form and Swansea and Sunderland as been far worse
I know we will improve and if so will be playing another season beyond next in the Premier and getting our name established

ThinLizzy · Post by **ThinLizzy** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:37 am

I don't think anyone at all would argue we need an improvement in results. You can't argue at all that our performances have improved massively as the season has gone on!
We don't have the finances to roll out world class players off our bench to snatch results. We work within our means at the moment and build on it for next season. I don't know if you noticed the step up in class? We're not playing Milton Keynes and Rotherham this season!
It was always about surviving this season.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:58 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:The away form is still dreadful though. 3 points from 9 games is dreadful, bearing in mind 4 of those games were against the bottom 4.

Don't think anyone would say it's been good, but it hasn't gone worse in the second half of the season, it's actually got better.

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:16 pm

It has gone better in fact 3 to 1 better and it really should have done as if those clubs would have took the max points where our one gained was so valuable probably more valuable than we realize.
It would have meant that those 3 below would have 2 more points on board more
we would have had 3 less UTC

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:15 pm

Holding Boro, Hull and S'land away was essential. They had to win, not us. Job done.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:27 pm

the statistics are also askew because of the quality we played away in the first half.
The first games folk were expecting to win were Stoke and WHU. not easy places to go.
This half we have the 3 points already with CP and Ballmouth to come.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:40 pm

1st half of the season had us full of excitement and hope that we would at least be competitive and not embarrass ourselves.
2nd half of the season we are proud of what we have achieved and believe that we are in a very good position to celebrate surviving relegation. We now just need to get over the line.

Goddy · Post by **Goddy** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:03 pm

Re eddie and #23...I couldn't agree more. I think ANY away point is good in the PL and holding those three to draws was far more important than any single away win (which everyone keeps going on about).

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:03 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Holding Boro, Hull and S'land away was essential. They had to win, not us. Job done.

So we go into a game primarily to stop the other team winning, is it any wonder we have such a meagre points haul away from home...a shocking way to approach games against teams that are in and around us. Love my team and the man at the top, but you can't tell me 10-15 games into next season and we have the same situation that the board will not look to change things.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:06 pm

ewanrob wrote:So we go into a game primarily to stop the other team winning, is it any wonder we have such a meagre points haul away from home...a shocking way to approach games against teams that are in and around us. Love my team and the man at the top, but you can't tell me 10-15 games into next season and we have the same situation that the board will not look to change things.

Yes I can, they'll be delighted to be in the same position.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:07 pm

ewanrob wrote:So we go into a game primarily to stop the other team winning, is it any wonder we have such a meagre points haul away from home...a shocking way to approach games against teams that are in and around us. Love my team and the man at the top, but you can't tell me 10-15 games into next season and we have the same situation that the board will not look to change things.

After 15 games this season we were in 13th place with 17 points --that will do for me next season, whether or not it pleases the board.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:08 pm

ewanrob wrote:So we go into a game primarily to stop the other team winning, is it any wonder we have such a meagre points haul away from home...a shocking way to approach games against teams that are in and around us. Love my team and the man at the top, but you can't tell me 10-15 games into next season and we have the same situation that the board will not look to change things.

I bet I can tell you that.

If we are 10-15 games into next season and we have the same situation that the board will not look to change things.

There, I told you I could.

Seriously, if we're 15 games into next season and have say 16-17 points and are in mid-table, you think Dyche's position will be under threat?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:08 pm

ewanrob wrote:So we go into a game primarily to stop the other team winning, is it any wonder we have such a meagre points haul away from home...a shocking way to approach games against teams that are in and around us. Love my team and the man at the top, but you can't tell me 10-15 games into next season and we have the same situation that the board will not look to change things.

If we are fairly safe, like we are now, then no, the board wouldn't even contemplate a change.

Why would they?

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:22 pm

I think it's a mistake to get caught up in a home record that has seriously bucked a trend, it is imperative that a team must get at least 2 or 3 wins + a few draws away from home. I'm not knocking him at all, but after 10-15 games of a new season and the same is happening then something would have to change. Seriously...I'm not knocking Sean I would love him to stay for as long as he feels fit. But the away record is indefensible and we all know it.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:28 pm

ewanrob wrote:I think it's a mistake to get caught up in a home record that has seriously bucked a trend, it is imperative that a team must get at least 2 or 3 wins + a few draws away from home. I'm not knocking him at all, but after 10-15 games of a new season and the same is happening then something would have to change. Seriously...I'm not knocking Sean I would love him to stay for as long as he feels fit. But the away record is indefensible and we all know it.

The away record is a risk, I'll give you that. If home form falls away then there's nothing to fall back on. But home v away records are only for the stattos, at the end of the day points is points, doesn't matter where they come.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:31 pm

I'd be amazed if there weren't conversations about the away performances, between Dyche and the board. I'd be flabbergasted if any such conversations considered (or consider next season) a replacement of the manager.

Unless Dyche decides that he's taken us as far as he can, I can't see the board doing anything other than stick with our most successful manager in most fans living memory.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:33 pm

ewanrob wrote:I think it's a mistake to get caught up in a home record that has seriously bucked a trend, it is imperative that a team must get at least 2 or 3 wins + a few draws away from home. I'm not knocking him at all, but after 10-15 games of a new season and the same is happening then something would have to change. Seriously...I'm not knocking Sean I would love him to stay for as long as he feels fit. But the away record is indefensible and we all know it.

Promoted teams like ours will always have to rely on home form to keep us up. Does it matter where the points come from?

As it looks likely, who cares where the points come from?

And if it's the same next season it means we are winning most of our home games again. Who's bothered if we survive another season, despite having a poor away record? Obviously to some, but under the current rules, survival comes from getting more points from the opposition regardless of whether they are home or away.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:41 pm

ewanrob wrote:I think it's a mistake to get caught up in a home record that has seriously bucked a trend, it is imperative that a team must get at least 2 or 3 wins + a few draws away from home. I'm not knocking him at all, but after 10-15 games of a new season and the same is happening then something would have to change. Seriously...I'm not knocking Sean I would love him to stay for as long as he feels fit. But the away record is indefensible and we all know it.

I think it's a mistake to get caught up in an away record that has seriously bucked a trend as well.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:46 pm

ewanrob wrote:I think it's a mistake to get caught up in a home record that has seriously bucked a trend, it is imperative that a team must get at least 2 or 3 wins + a few draws away from home. I'm not knocking him at all, but after 10-15 games of a new season and the same is happening then something would have to change. Seriously...I'm not knocking Sean I would love him to stay for as long as he feels fit. But the away record is indefensible and we all know it.

I sincerely hope that this season we will prove that it isn't imperative to get 2 or 3 away wins.

It is obviously fair to say that if our home form gets worse next season and our away from doesn't improve, then we will struggle. But that is also true of West Brom, West Ham, Stoke, Watford, Crystal Palace, Bournemouth, whichever survives of Swansea and Hull, etc. There seems top be a general pessimistic belief that we won't do so well at home next season and we still won't win away. Why should it be that way round? Why can't we win away and keep the home form going?

Look on the bright side - if we maintain our home form and our away form gets worse, we will probably still be OK. None of the others can say that!

(Incidentally, Everton have 4 away wins this season; Tottenham have 6. 2 or 3 is quite a lot for a club in a releagtion battle.)

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:15 am

Looking at the mammoth task we had and beating all the odds we have done extremely well
Lots of debate on our away form to be had but like said it does not dent what we have achieved and that's not short of extraordinary in all fairness
But pointing out the only blemishes seem to be how we set up away from home
We need to re address it to move forward it definitely needs looking at and if we can get this right we could become a force to be reckoned with utc

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:30 am

Going off the away form it going to be very unlikely that we are going to achieve maximum points in Palace'so own back yard
A point would be tremendous and make for a less nervous last three
Defeat and we go on carrying big into what I would described a massive pressure pot of doubt
The West Bromwich game would be a blind fold affair is one word I could describe it as
Loose that and it could become Russian roulette
With our penultimate game against Mr Howe in the South I wouldn't expect any favours what so ever
A point in this would be the best result of the season for me
If we are needing all three going into the last game against the Hammer's then they certainly won't be a hammering delt
out here it will be shear nerves of steel to get what's required out of that game and forcus could be else where on other results going our way and if our destiny is delivered this way I don't think I could take it
If for a third time we were to get relegated I could only say it would damage me beyond repair if we were to crash in this way
Hopefully we have enough to grind out the points required we will have a better idea after this weekend in the grand scheme of things but for now COYC

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:33 am

Longside4evr wrote:Going off the away form it going to be very unlikely that we are going to achieve maximum points in Palace'so own back yard
A point would be tremendous and make for a less nervous last three
Defeat and we go on carrying big into what I would described a massive pressure pot of doubt
The West Bromwich game would be a blind fold affair is one word I could describe it as
Loose that and it could become Russian roulette
With our penultimate game against Mr Howe in the South I wouldn't expect any favours what so ever
A point in this would be the best result of the season for me
If we are needing all three going into the last game against the Hammer's then they certainly won't be a hammering delt
out here it will be shear nerves of steel to get what's required out of that game and forcus could be else where on other results going our way and if our destiny is delivered this way I don't think I could take it
If for a third time we were to get relegated I could only say it would damage me beyond repair if we were to crash in this way
Hopefully we have enough to grind out the points required we will have a better idea after this weekend in the grand scheme of things but for now COYC

Swansea - 1 win in 7.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:29 am

Longside4evr wrote:If for a third time we were to get relegated I could only say it would damage me beyond repair if we were to crash in this way

If you really mean that, then you need to give up the game totally. You cannot let it get to you like that.

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:53 am

dsr wrote:If you really mean that, then you need to give up the game totally. You cannot let it get to you like that.

Sorry but it does and every defeat is a hammer blow I love the club that much it hurts badly
I can take defeat just as much as i can rejoice in a win
I hold the club close to my heart and it does get to me like that, an interpretation of damaged beyond repair does not mean I will give up and scrap it though like you suggest though div
Things can be rebuilt it might be at a financial cost but can be done
so you want to give up posting tosh pal

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:36 pm

As dyche points out:

17 points from first 17 games
19 points from next 17 games
4 points out of the last 5.

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claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:38 pm

CFS wrote:As dyche points out:

17 points from first 17 games
19 points from next 17 games
4 points out of the last 5.

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How dare you come on here with a non agenda driven honest post

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:48 pm

Longside4evr wrote:Sorry but it does and every defeat is a hammer blow I love the club that much it hurts badly
I can take defeat just as much as i can rejoice in a win
I hold the club close to my heart and it does get to me like that, an interpretation of damaged beyond repair does not mean I will give up and scrap it though like you suggest though div
Things can be rebuilt it might be at a financial cost but can be done
so you want to give up posting tosh pal

"damaged beyond repair" is what happens if you lose a leg in a car crash, or if close relatives die. Football is a hobby.

Shankly's comment about being more important than life or death was either a joke or a load of rubbish - it isn't engraved on the Hillsborough Memorial, is it.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:08 pm

claretdom wrote:How dare you come on here with a non agenda driven honest post

Don't shoot the messenger dyche is the one you want I swear.

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:11 pm

We are and have done very well but I am a bit concerned, it might just be a bit pessimistic that I am concerned and sometimes you see the writing on the wall that isn't their its in all probability of being in the mine set of a Burnley fan.
Dyche and all of us can bring these facts to the table my concern is can he see us over the line it will be one mammoth achievement if he and the team can and we are certainly not safe yet like a lot thought we were after last weekends set of results.
Time will tell but we certainly haven't done enough as yet and need to step up a gear and get over the line the sooner the better UTC

claretfern · Post by **claretfern** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:38 pm

.....been difficult to watch.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:11 pm

To summarize then, we have been remarkably consistent throughout the season.

If we can keep that consistency going - meaning four points from the two remaining home games and two defeats away, we should have done the job.

Onward to the defeat at Palace!