Mighty Clarets versus Mancy Red Sox

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:09 pm

Incredibly flat after what I thought was a bright first 20 minutes. Surprisingly, the crowd don`t seem up for it either. Brady DOES look sharp but we don`t seem to have a fluid attacking unit. OF COURSE Utd are a tremendous team and a super club but it seems like we are all just shrugging shoulders and accepting the defeat. Again, for me, the supply to the front two is P**S poor and the midfield two need help. I really would go 4-3-2-1, Barnes off and Defour into the middle.

ebby · Post by **ebby** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:10 pm

Cannot see us coming back from here, so why not give a couple of the bench guys a run - especially up front & midfield as we are already off the pace.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:11 pm

Chester Perry wrote:A United frontline that cost £89m, A United midfield that cost £150m+, A United Defence that cost £90m and one of the best 2 keepers in the world - yes we are not at that level - even with breaking our transfer record 4 times in the last 20 months £6m, £8.5m, £10.5m and £13m - no utd player cost so little - just Lingard who came through youth and is reportedly on £100k a week - we cannot compete with that

Don't mind losing against that, would just prefer we made more of a fist of it

Two goals gifted and obvious problems not being addressed

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:11 pm

Chester Perry wrote:A United frontline that cost £89m, A United midfield that cost £150m+, A United Defence that cost £90m and one of the best 2 keepers in the world - yes we are not at that level - even with breaking our transfer record 4 times in the last 20 months £6m, £8.5m, £10.5m and £13m - no utd player cost so little - just Lingard who came through youth and is reportedly on £100k a week - we cannot compete with that

Pathetic, we just give up then ,
we are losing because of Dyche's tactics and the players not up for it .

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:12 pm

I'm surprised we only started with 2 central midfielders and not start with 4-5-1.

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:12 pm

Looks like they are expecting to loose today

1968claret · Post by **1968claret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:13 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:No idea why we've moved Brady to the right, was playing well on the left. Take Boyd off, offers nothing.

Maybe because when Brady has moved to the right he has created some good chances?

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:15 pm

What excuses will be made if we lose to Palace? 'Well they are an established PL team.

WBA - Same excuse
Bournemouth - well they have an extra PL season under their belts.

West Ham - Established PL

Can just see all the bullshit excuses already.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:15 pm

IndigoLake wrote:I don't know about you but I'm going to give it a few days just so I can avoid the hysterics on here.

I think I'll stick around, I quite enjoy winding up the doom and gloom merchants.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:15 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:I'm not saying Westwood is good, I'm just wondering why we signed him, he's definitely a panic buy

We signed him in case Bartons ban kicked in sooner than it has.

HyperClaret · Post by **HyperClaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:16 pm

Midfield is crying out for some quality and I don't care if Defour is leaving at the end of this year, we should be making use of him while we can. Barton has not been good enough imo

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:16 pm

Needs a change of shape this. Fellaini has neutralised Barnes down the middle, we'd be advised to try sticking Barnes on the left and probably throwing on Defour or even Gudmundsson.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:16 pm

Mourinhio has out smarted Dyche today no doubt, sticking Fellani on Barnes has taken Ash out of the game completely. I think most of us could see that from minute one yet we keep pumping it.

I think at 2-0 I'd take Barnes off and bring Defour on, go 4-5-1 and try and play it on the deck more, the few times we did in the first half we once again looked more than capable

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:17 pm

Should be JBG and Defour for Boyd and Barnes but it won't happen.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:17 pm

1968claret wrote:Maybe because when Brady has moved to the right he has created some good chances?

with you there...has loooked good. Nothing we can do about his individual mistake. We just collectively need to wake up and more importantly LOOK up for it. Barnes off, Defour on.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:17 pm

Tarks coming on for Ben Mee

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:18 pm

Murger wrote:What excuses will be made if we lose to Palace? 'Well they are an established PL team.

WBA - Same excuse
Bournemouth - well they have an extra PL season under their belts.

West Ham - Established PL

Can just see all the bullshit excuses already.

It's not always about just coming up with excuses. But there has to be a balance between the absolute bullshit that some come up with on here and those that think Dyche can do no wrong. Looking at your post history, you're fairly negative towards Burnley FC in general. A little positivity doesn't go amiss now and then. We're doing pretty damn well.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:18 pm

Tarks on for Ben Mee. Oh oh!!

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:18 pm

Tarks on for Mee

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:18 pm

Mee off, ankle injury

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:19 pm

Hope ankle injury of Mee is not serious

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:19 pm

It wouldn't surprise me if Defour and Guds were kept out and left for the more winnable games. This game looks too far out of reach now.

Agyei is someone I'd like to see given some game time though.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:19 pm

KRBFC wrote:he wont make ht subs

You're not right very often and you're wrong again.

NickBFC · Post by **NickBFC** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:19 pm

Crowd are quiet and flat - the players need our support.

Gray can only chase so many lost causes. We're too direct, not enough quality on ball, and don't offer him the right service. Barnes and the midfield need to get in and around him. The midfield are too slow to get high enough up the pitch to support IMO - Worried they'll get done on the counter as per their first goal.

Why oh why didn't Barton take one for the team and bring Martial done??

Here's hoping for a goal at least and a MUCH better second half. Looking like Palace is going to be a big big game now.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:20 pm

Ward again one of the better players on the pitch

Claretrew · Post by **Claretrew** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:20 pm

I still think we can get something out of this game.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:20 pm

Gus. Couple of soft goals (although you have to give credit for their first break) and there's more whining on here than in a kennel where dogs are pining for their owners.

Good job you lot aren't on the turf. Grow a pair you jessies

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:21 pm

FactualFrank wrote:It wouldn't surprise me if Defour and Guds were kept out and left for the more winnable games. This game looks too far out of reach now.

Agyei is someone I'd like to see given some game time though.

Somehow I doubt it FF

HyperClaret · Post by **HyperClaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:21 pm

Tall Paul wrote:You're not right very often and you're wrong again.

A forced defensive injury sub doesn't count as a ht sub Paul

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:21 pm

1 win in 10, 7 points from the last 30

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:22 pm

I am interested to hear what tactics people think we should employ - we conceded goals by going out to try and score - I thought people wanted us to try and be more offensive and score more

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:23 pm

HyperClaret wrote:A forced defensive injury sub doesn't count as a ht sub Paul

Was it a substitution made at halftime or not?

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:24 pm

joey13 wrote:Pathetic, we just give up then ,
we are losing because of Dyche's tactics and the players not up for it .

No we don't give up and don't believe we have - we have made a number of attempts to get into scoring positions - just not come off

HyperClaret · Post by **HyperClaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:24 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Was it a substitution made at halftime or not?

I see your point, was simply trying to keep the mood light

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:25 pm

Martials goal cost united $11 million today as it triggered a clause in the contract with Monaco, crazy

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:25 pm

Having Boyd and Brady on the opposite flanks is just rank bad management. And it's not even a 1 off.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:27 pm

Why why why is Brady on the right

watsonsclarets · Post by **watsonsclarets** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:27 pm

Chester Perry wrote:I am interested to hear what tactics people think we should employ - we conceded goals by going out to try and score - I thought people wanted us to try and be more offensive and score more

want a Plan B when hoof/direct doesn't work thought with all the money we have spend we could at least been given that option.

But I'm no manager just a fan watching. I have n axe to grind about this we have been overachieving and just being brought to our natural level of hard work but not very technical football.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:29 pm

minnieclaret wrote:Should be JBG and Defour for Boyd and Barnes but it won't happen.

It shouldn't be that, we need the outlet Barnes offers somewhere on the pitch. This isn't fantasy football.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:29 pm

Chester Perry wrote:A United frontline that cost £89m, A United midfield that cost £150m+, A United Defence that cost £90m and one of the best 2 keepers in the world - yes we are not at that level - even with breaking our transfer record 4 times in the last 20 months £6m, £8.5m, £10.5m and £13m - no utd player cost so little - just Lingard who came through youth and is reportedly on £100k a week - we cannot compete with that

from the BBC
There's some suggestion that Anthony Martial's goal, his 25th for Manchester United, has just cost the club £8.5m as part of the deal that brought him from Monaco. We'll try to get that one firmed up.

that is our 3rd highest transfer fee!

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:31 pm

Chester Perry wrote:I am interested to hear what tactics people think we should employ - we conceded goals by going out to try and score - I thought people wanted us to try and be more offensive and score more

I can't say being outnumbered in midfield against Felani, Pogba and Herrara is smart. That's my only real criticism today, only so much Dyche can do but he's got it incredibly wrong today imho

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:31 pm

Hoping these still have Thursday in their legs and we can get back in.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:32 pm

Can't even get the ball out without ******* it up!

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:33 pm

watsonsclarets wrote:want a Plan B when hoof/direct doesn't work thought with all the money we have spend we could at least been given that option.

But I'm no manager just a fan watching. I have n axe to grind about this we have been overachieving and just being brought to our natural level of hard work but not very technical football.

I saw Hendricks and Brady work some magic into their area in that 1st half - I think Fellaini (in particular) Herrera and Pogba have done great stopping jobs on our midfield - we have tried to mix it up but the crucial technique and pace (that costs so much) has not been there in the way we all dream of

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:34 pm

the only 2 positives today have been Hendrick and Brady
JBG coming on for Boyd

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:35 pm

JBG for Boyd

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:35 pm

This is close to most people's first choice midfield

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:35 pm

I just don't like what I'm seeing from Burnley today
No intensity forward press
Far too easy for Utd.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:36 pm

It would be nice to have a chance on goal and for JBG not to get injured.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:36 pm

Tall Paul wrote:You're not right very often and you're wrong again.

Making a tactical half time change is a bit different to swapping like for like due to an injury.