Corbyn wants FOUR extra bank holidays

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:19 am

We have too many bank holidays as it is.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:26 am

They need to be spread out more really.

They should really do away with the Easter ones, or split them and move one to the 2nd half of the year.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:29 am

No we don't have too many.we have nine national holidays in England.
France have 11
Germany 11 (not including 9 regional bank holidays)
Northern Ireland have 13

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:30 am

We might as well make for one Paddy's day, considering the massive number of belms who're English and celebrate it.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:39 am

If Margaret Thatcher, John Major, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, David Cameron, Theresa May, Tim Farron, Nigel Farage, Nicola Sturgeon, Sooty, Ed Miliband, Pikachu, David Miliband, Tinky Winky, The Pope, Sean Dyche, C3-PO, Jesus Christ, Jimmy McIlroy, Plato, dermotdermot, Glenn Little, Sean Dyche for a second time, Remco VDS, Andrew Driver, an anthropomorphisised sentinet 4K watch, Wade Elliott AND Robbie Blake ALL called for FOUR extra bank holidays, dermotdermot wouldn't have batted an eyelid. I wonder what has triggered him?

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:57 am

Plato wouldn't have wanted more bank holidays.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:21 am

How about dermotdermot? What does he want?

If you're a prostitu...employed by someone else then you're a sadomasochist for objecting to paid time off. Like, on an instinctual level, you seem to have abandoned your humanity. Literally nothing in nature follows anything other than the path of least resistance. It's entropy.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:25 am

Spiral wrote:If you're ...employed by someone else then you're a sadomasochist for objecting to paid time off.

You imagine businesses will just take on the cost of four days themselves?

That's naive. I didn't even get the the extra bank holiday for the Queen's diamond jubilee - unpaid or otherwise. Had to work.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:30 am

Why the f.uck would I care about the cost to my employer? It isn't significant enough to necessitate my own redundancy, no matter how much you pain yourself to paint it otherwise.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:34 am

Spiral wrote:Why the f.uck would I care about the cost to my employer? It isn't significant enough to necessitate my own redundancy, no matter how much you pain yourself to paint it otherwise.

They say ignorance is bliss but I'v never believed that Spiral.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:51 am

Naivety? That's your argument?

The extent of your contribution to this forum, let alone this thread, appears to be 'patronisingly hurl just enough condescending worldview-entrenching $hit at people that any attempts to challenge it could be framed as either overbearingly presumptuous of intent or grossly misinformed, whatever is convenient and saves face.'

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:18 am

Bad idea.

We need to make the plebs howl...that's always the best way to keep 'em under...don't want 'em getting any fancy ideas about extra leisure time. Teresa needs to crack the whip a bit harder when she gets back.

IrkthePurists · Post by **IrkthePurists** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:21 am

Gets my vote. What's not to like?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:50 am

Bit irrelevant given which party has pledged it.

Desperation election politics.

What next ? Free Curly Wurlies ?

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:59 am

Woo hooooo! Free Curly Wurlies!!!!!

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:10 am

Sidney1st wrote:We might as well make for one Paddy's day, considering the massive number of belms who're English and celebrate it.

Self loathing losers who are afraid of their own identity.

Or just fancy a beer and it's an excuse.

Rammy1968 · Post by **Rammy1968** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:12 am

I don't like Corbyn but if we get 4 extra days off each year I will vote for him.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:27 am

Good idea. Lots of people have asked in the past why St George's Day isn't a bank holiday plus we are below the European average for public holidays

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:31 am

Great idea. Especially for those poor sods who are going to have to graft until they're 68 to receive the state pension. They'll need as many days off as they can get.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:37 am

As said desperation politics. This on it's own is no big deal but alongside his other proposals it would be.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:43 am

Spend more and work less. Good idea Jeremy !

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:45 am

He's a socialist.
If he ever gets his way he will be quite happy to make every day a bank holiday.
And some people will be quite happy, sitting at home, getting paid for doing nothing like they did under the last Labour government.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:50 am

Corbyn's facile idea involves creating two of these bank holidays in March so that 'families can spend more leisure time with each other'' just a short time having FIFTEEN days off over the Christmas and New Year period.This will be sandwiched between the Easter bank holidays and the following May bank holidays. Absolutely ludicrous! I, for one, cannot afford to take 'bank holidays'.

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:51 am

All that it will lead to is employers reducing the number of ordinary holidays that employees can take resulting in people having less flexibility around when they can take a break. Personally I would prefer to have no bank holidays and an extra 8 ordinary holidays instead.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:52 am

He is, and it's a move towards the socialist utopia of more leisure time, so it's consistent, apart from JC picking the Saints days as he hasn't previously campaigned on his patriotism. It's not a bad idea to throw out with a 25% poll deficit but easy for the Tories to make quips about a permanent bank holiday if JC gets anywhere near Downing Street.

It'll be popular with public sector workers and 18 year olds, but that's where his core support already is.

Awayfromburnley · Post by **Awayfromburnley** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:57 am

I have heard counter arguments against the extra bank holidays, all of them are about money.

For crying out loud, we only get so few years on this big blue rock.....

We could actually enjoy time off work, experience life without "adding to gdp". It's just a number of which means absolutley nothing when you are six feet under,

Go for a walk, play with your kids, play with your brothers/sisters kids, bake, visit your parents, watch the Clarets, watch a 20 year old vhs of the clarets, go to the pub, climb a mountain, help a charity..... i could go on.

Although we need a stable economy, how can anyone argue against people having more time off?

Dont be brainwashed by economics. Live your life.

No one has ever died wishing they had worked more. Ever.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:02 am

Awayfromburnley wrote: No one has ever died wishing they had worked more. Ever.

Not even the people starving to death in Venuzuela?

Awayfromburnley · Post by **Awayfromburnley** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:08 am

How would working have fed them?

They are not hungry from not working. They are hungry from a failed economy, probably not failing due to too many bank holidays!

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:10 am

Guich wrote:It'll be popular with public sector workers and 18 year olds, but that's where his core support already is.

I'm a public sector worker and it's certainly not popular with me. He will damage the economy and that's no good for anyone's lifestyle.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:11 am

Spiral wrote:Naivety? That's your argument?

The extent of your contribution to this forum, let alone this thread, appears to be 'patronisingly hurl just enough condescending worldview-entrenching $hit at people that any attempts to challenge it could be framed as either overbearingly presumptuous of intent or grossly misinformed, whatever is convenient and saves face.'

That's not fair. He does a great teapot review as well.

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:13 am

I'm sure Jeremy will want to tell us that we all have to do the same thing on our holidays as well as when we have to take them next

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:14 am

The minimum wage was supposed to cripple the economy, but the Tories eventually took to it.
Not sure this is the best way of doing it but with automation taking jobs, governments will have to be creative in creating leisure time, more holidays will be part of the answer, but nice to get them when we have decent weather. June could do with a week of them.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:23 am

ablueclaret wrote:The minimum wage was supposed to cripple the economy, but the Tories eventually took to it.
Not sure this is the best way of doing it but with automation taking jobs, governments will have to be creative in creating leisure time, more holidays will be part of the answer, but nice to get them when we have decent weather. June could do with a week of them.

I think they are proposing that national living wage will be £10 per hour. As an example, the current NLW has cost social care hundreds of millions at a time when it's on it's arse. I'm in favour of people earning a minimum wage but moving to £10 per hour would be interesting to say the least.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:33 am

Like most on here, (maybe all), I've really no idea what the economic impact of this would be.
However, as someone who worked in education for virtually 40 years, I used to hate them because they were all on Mondays, so you would miss the same lessons / tutorials over and over again. (Quite a few teaching hours lost to the same group over the year, and especially the Easter Bank Holiday Monday and May Day holiday being at a critical time of year for exam prepartion).
Having said that, I think Bank Holidays are generally a good idea, and we certainly have less than most European nations at present.
The bottom line here, I think, is that if the Tories said they were going to make St George's Day a Bank Holiday, then the press in general would hail it as a great patriotic move. (Bank Holidays for the other 3 saints would inevitably quickly follow).

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:34 am

taio wrote:I think they are proposing that national living wage will be £10 per hour. As an example, the current NLW has cost social care hundreds of millions at a time when it's on it's arse. I'm in favour of people earning a minimum wage but moving to £10 per hour would be interesting to say the least.

The problems in the social care system stem from decades of systemic underfunding (from both Tory & Labour governments) not from the rises in the NLW

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:41 am

Just a treat for the middle classes.

Those on low incomes working in care, hospitality and retail will not benefit an ounce from more bank holidays. Labour forget who they are supposed to represent and once more prove themselves to be out of touch.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:41 am

JohnDearyMe wrote:The problems in the social care system stem from decades of systemic underfunding (from both Tory & Labour governments) not from the rises in the NLW

Yep I know. But the increase in NLW has undoubtedly had a big impact on the stability of care markets. I don't see how that can be disputed...it's a well known fact.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:53 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Just a treat for the middle classes.

Those on low incomes working in care, hospitality and retail will not benefit an ounce from more bank holidays. Labour forget who they are supposed to represent and once more prove themselves to be out of touch.

Unbelievable, Jeff.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:03 am

taio wrote:Yep I know. But the increase in NLW has undoubtedly had a big impact on the stability of care markets. I don't see how that can be disputed...it's a well known fact.

Yes it has had an impact but my point is that it's not down to criminally underpaid care workers getting a modest payrise from NLW increases that is the main cause of the problem but the failure by successive governments to address the funding issue

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:04 am

Certainly many of the people Corbyn would be hoping to help would not be, as they do work in industries where Bank holidays mean nothing other than perhaps better hourly rates.
For many it would be a case of having to find someone to childmind.
Far better to have a National Holiday week in June/ July, when we can celebrate the weather, the rich have a 6 week fiesta at that time. Henley Wimbledon Lords

Awayfromburnley · Post by **Awayfromburnley** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:05 am

I am non political on this, but can anyone find a good reason for not having more bank holidays, apart from money/economics?

We have hardly changed our working practices since Victorian times, we work in e-commerce times, we should be working less, not more.

Stop for a moment. We are here to live life, not build up money.

The world needs a different perspective, far greater than any current political party can manage.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:11 am

Would love more time off work. A bit more spread out may be. The unions always did fancy a 3 day week

But as I near retirement (again) I would like to see the rest of you working yourselves to the bone so that I am kept in the style to which I have become accustomed.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:12 am

Why do the days need to be on saints days?

Can't we step back from religious reasons and do them later in the year?

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:35 am

Maybe each home nation can celebrate their own saints day then only one working day is lost. I'm surprised he isn't expanding flexi time for overwork public sector workers then he can employ more people to cover the extra flexitime.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:44 am

Blackrod wrote:Maybe each home nation can celebrate their own saints day then only one working day is lost. I'm surprised he isn't expanding flexi time for overwork public sector workers then he can employ more people to cover the extra flexitime.

Don't see the problem with flexi time if it fits with business need. Particularly good for parents or those with other caring responsibilities. People still work the same hours. I've never known an organisation having to backfill because of a flexi time scheme.

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:49 am

Sidney1st wrote:Why do the days need to be on saints days?

Can't we step back from religious reasons and do them later in the year?

That's your second poke at the same issue on this thread. Are you feeling ignored!

Holmeclaret · Post by **Holmeclaret** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:57 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Just a treat for the middle classes.

Those on low incomes working in care, hospitality and retail will not benefit an ounce from more bank holidays. Labour forget who they are supposed to represent and once more prove themselves to be out of touch.

This middle class voter won't be fooled by Corbyn's 'treat'. I'll be voting Tory because I don't want to pay more tax. Simple as.

Awayfromburnley · Post by **Awayfromburnley** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:59 am

Some really old fashioned views here.

What on earth is wrong with flexible working? What is wrong with more rest time?

Its almost comical Dickensian views. Flog the paupers till they drop.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:02 am

Awayfromburnley wrote:Some really old fashioned views here.

What on earth is wrong with flexible working? What is wrong with more rest time?

Its almost comical Dickensian views. Flog the paupers till they drop.

Implying the paupers get bank holidays off.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:03 am

I've worked flexitime historically in the public sector and I've worked for commercial organisations. More work gets done with the latter but we are going slightly off topic with this. 1 extra day probably should be welcomed but I think 4 is excessive.