Corbyn wants FOUR extra bank holidays

[taio]

Its almost comical Dickensian views. Flog the paupers till they drop.

A wild exaggeration and not even remotely accurate.

[Awayfromburnley]

A wild exaggeration and not even remotely accurate.

So why not allow that time then?

[Sidney1st]

That's your second poke at the same issue on this thread. Are you feeling ignored!

Not anymore , thanks

[taio]

So why not allow that time then?

For the reasons already referred to on this thread. How people disagreeing with having an additional four bank holidays translates into your description is perplexing.

[bfcjg]

I used to pool my bank holidays and take an extra week which no doubt a lot will. However unless it is backed up in law a lot of employers will knock four days off your annual leave.
I worry though if Corbyn is like a Greek politician and just makes promises for votes. If anyone watched the documentary the Greek accountant it was amazing what was promised for votes such as hairdressers retiring at fifty due to chemicals that they use, bus drivers given massive bonuses for coming to work on time for a week, doctors don't pay tax. Their promises were underwritten by the EU which finally woke up a couple of years ago who undetwrites Corbyns ?

[Awayfromburnley]

For the reasons already referred to on this thread. How people disagreeing with having an additional four bank holidays translates into your description is perplexing.

Well what are the reasons for refusing it?

People are working themselves into the ground, undervalued, expendable, a number not a person and we seem to be blasé about it as a society.

Mental health will be one of the greatest cause of illness in the 21st century. This (arguably) can be attributed to overwork and lack of leisure time.

We are talking about allowing a further 4 days off a year. 4 days over a working lifetime. Maybe 200 days over a working lifetime. 200 more days to enjoy life more.

That production line will wait, that PC will survive without its keys being stroked, that commodity will still exist tomorrow, that child won't be any less literate and most importantly that person will have 200 more days to enjoy life.

[Sidney1st]

As someone has stated, not all businesses let staff have bank holidays off.

Euro Car Parts is open, along with many garages for example.

Same with retail shops.
Some businesses let you have a day off in lieu, but that's usually if you remember to ask for it and they usually try to make you feel guilty about it at ECP.

4 extra days off would be nice IF every business closed, but they won't because their are sectors of industry that are open to provide entertainment, fuel or food etc on those days.

[taio]

Well what are the reasons for refusing it?

People are working themselves into the ground, undervalued, expendable, a number not a person and we seem to be blasé about it as a society.

Mental health will be one of the greatest cause of illness in the 21st century. This (arguably) can be attributed to overwork and lack of leisure time.

We are talking about allowing a further 4 days off a year. 4 days over a working lifetime. Maybe 200 days over a working lifetime. 200 more days to enjoy life more.

That production line will wait, that PC will survive without its keys being stroked, that commodity will still exist tomorrow, that child won't be any less literate and most importantly that person will have 200 more days to enjoy life.

Fine that you can see of advantages of doing so. My point to you was that seeing the disadvantages in no way mean this:

'Its almost comical Dickensian views. Flog the paupers till they drop'

[Awayfromburnley]

Fine that you can see of advantages of doing so. My point to you was that seeing the disadvantages in no way mean this:

'Its almost comical Dickensian views. Flog the paupers till they drop'

Ok apologies, i misunderstood.

[South West Claret.]

4 extra bank holidays ? about time we played catch up with the rest of Europe, and yes get it in law to stop unscrupulous employers weaselling out of it.

Better for the economy as well.

[taio]

Better for the economy as well.

Hard to know.

But it has been previously estimated that each bank holiday costs £2.3 billion.

[South West Claret.]

Costed by who?

[taio]

Costed by who?

Centre for Economics and Business Research

[ElectroClaret]

Ministry of Truth.

[dermotdermot]

Hard to know.

But it has been previously estimated that each bank holiday costs £2.3 billion.

If that's the case then we should do away with them altogether.

[South West Claret.]

Centre for Economics and Business Research

And who are the individuals envolved in the organisation?

[taio]

And who are the individuals envolved in the organisation?

I don't know. Try google.

On what basis and evidence are you saying it would be better for the economy?

[Siddo]

Not anymore , thanks

Move along then. Nothing else to see here for you on your idea.

[Firthy]

As I said in the other thread. Labour are full of good ideas but forget to mention who's going to pay for them.

[Rowls]

I don't like Corbyn but if we get 4 extra days off each year I will vote for him.

But you won't. That's the point. It's the point that a few people have missed.

If you stack shelves, serve pints, sweep floors etc etc then you will definitely not get so much as an extra minute off.

Your bosses might take the extra time off.

But you'll be working as normal.

[South West Claret.]

Tried searching but their website is not working.

In any case we don't need academics (if that's what they claim they are) telling us it's a cost to the economy when we know the majority of people that have more time off work will spend more. Which is good for the economy.

PS: off to the pub to watch the game now, will continue later maybe.

[quoonbeatz]

Hard to know.

But it has been previously estimated that each bank holiday costs £2.3 billion.

Well we won't be paying 18 billion a year to the EU anymore so that's it covered. *massive wink smiley*

I for one will be backing st pat's day being a bank holiday with it being the day after my birthday.

[Awayfromburnley]

Cost, cost, cost.....

"Cost of everything, value of nothing....."

All the financial costs but nothing about the beneficial outputs to individuals that doesnt involve money

[kentonclaret]

The headline from CITY AM on Tuesday 18 April 2017.

"EASTER BOUNCE BRINGS RELIEF FOR RETAILERS"

"The UK's retail sector enjoyed a much-needed boost over the Easter weekend with both footfall and card spending seeing a year-on-year rise"

"London's West End experienced a surge in shoppers over the holiday period, with a footfall increase of 6.8 per cent between Good Friday and Easter Sunday."

Bank Holiday weekends are obviously very beneficial financially to some sectors of the economy.

Obviously some people have to work in these stores to serve the hordes of tourists and shoppers taking advantage of the time off to shop.

[Rowls]

Some really old fashioned views here.
What on earth is wrong with flexible working? What is wrong with more rest time?
Its almost comical Dickensian views. Flog the paupers till they drop.

Claretmoffit nailed it.

It's the paupers who'll still be working on these "bank holidays".

[taio]

Tried searching but their website is not working.

In any case we don't need academics (if that's what they claim they are) telling us it's a cost to the economy when we know the majority of people that have more time off work will spend more. Which is good for the economy.

Here you go: https://www.cebr.com/about-cebr/meet-the-team/

So you have no evidence. Until you do I'll believe them rather than take your word for it that that the net benefit is positive simply because people spend more money.

[Sidney1st]

Cost, cost, cost.....

"Cost of everything, value of nothing....."

All the financial costs but nothing about the beneficial outputs to individuals that doesnt involve money

You can't shut down every single business though, this is the point people are trying to get across to you.
The panic shopping a Xmas for food is bad enough.

[Imploding Turtle]

Corbyn's facile idea involves creating two of these bank holidays in March so that 'families can spend more leisure time with each other'' just a short time having FIFTEEN days off over the Christmas and New Year period.This will be sandwiched between the Easter bank holidays and the following May bank holidays. Absolutely ludicrous! I, for one, cannot afford to take 'bank holidays'.

You think there are 15 bank holidays over Christmas and New Year?

And i think you need to consult your calender (no, not your colander. get out of the kitchen) if you think two bank holidays in March will be "sandwiched between the Easter bank holidays and the following May bank holidays".

[South West Claret.]

Here you go: https://www.cebr.com/about-cebr/meet-the-team/

So you have no evidence. Until you do I'll believe them rather than take your word for it that that the net benefit is positive simply because people spend more money.

To many blokes who have "form" from your link i.e. Worked for large employers, with the president working for the employers union the CBI no less.

I have no doubt that the cebr has vested interests therefore making them not to be trusted regarding the subject of this thread.

If that's all you can quote on here we'll it's not good enough, as I said it's a fact that the majority of people that have more free time spend more money which is good/better for the economy.

[taio]

To many blokes who have "form" from your link i.e. Worked for large employers, with the president working for the employers union the CBI no less.

I have no doubt that the cebr has vested interests therefore making them not to be trusted regarding the subject of this thread.

If that's all you can quote on here we'll it's not good enough, as I said it's a fact that the majority of people that have more free time spend more money which is good/better for the economy.

You can have more if you want more:

http://researchbriefings.files.parliame ... N05775.pdf

Now where's your evidence?

[South West Claret.]

1. A "Con"servetive Government without vested interests, don't make me laugh.

2. The CBI, as above.

The Trade Union Congress, they backed Tory Blair for peter's sake.

So far you have failed on all accounts to prove your case, and you ask me for my evidence ha!

[taio]

1. A "Con"servetive Government without vested interests, don't make me laugh.

2. The CBI, as above.

The Trade Union Congress, they backed Tory Blair for peter's sake.

So far you have failed on all accounts to prove your case, and you ask me for my evidence ha!

Absolute weak response. I've provided you with four separate sources that says bank holidays come at a significant cost and you fail to provide a scrap of evidence to the contrary. Your view is simply based on a meaningless assumption that because people spend money on bank holidays it results in an overall net benefit to the economy. Anyone who reads this will know who has the strongest case so far.

[South West Claret.]

Thank you for agreeing with me.

Good night.

[Top Claret]

Labour loves holidays. If there last spell in office was anything to go by they certainly did not encourage people to go out to work. Labour just love it when the country is sat on its arse at home claiming benefits, they actually encourage it to control the population, in there own perverted agenda of social engineering

[Paul Waine]

JC wants us to have 4 extra bank holidays, because UK doesn't have as many bank holidays as some other countries. OK, but UK also has 4 weeks (20 days) paid holidays in addition to existing bank holidays. Add these together and there's only one country that has more paid holidays in total: France (quelle surprise, I guess).

JC has suggested the 4 new b/hols are on the 4 UK nations' "patron saints days" - so that it will unify the 4 nations. OK, nice idea to aim for some unity (though, I guess he doesn't want "the wealth extractors" sharing this unity)> St David's Day, 1st March; St Pat's 17 March, St George 23 April, that's 3 new bank/hols in same period as we have Good Friday and Easter Monday - But, March isn't a great time for holidays given UK weather.

If we want unity, why not add some bank holidays on other religious holy days - we already have holidays on Christian holy days, so how about adding some Muslim, Hindu and Jewish holy days? (They do that in Singapore, it does help to unify).

Bank holidays are supposed to help with retail sales, and UK has also recently copied "black Friday" (it's a financial term, in this case) from US. But, too many bank holidays isn't boosting all the retail sales, at the end of the day we can only buy so many sofas and bbqs and the rest.

At present a normal working year is 46 weeks + 2 days = 232 working days (after deducting 20 paid holidays + 8 paid bank holidays). 4 extra bank hols works out as equivalent to just under 2% pay rise - or increase in cost per employee for every employer. I guess it depends on the sector and employer whether this is affordable...

Those who want more free time - why not ask for some reduced hours or job share, but take the reduced pay with it?

[Paul Waine]

Labour loves holidays. If there last spell in office was anything to go by they certainly did not encourage people to go out to work. Labour just love it when the country is sat on its arse at home claiming benefits, they actually encourage it to control the population, in there own perverted agenda of social engineering

And, I thought Labour (as well as others) were concerned about the UK's ability to access the EU single market.

[dsr]

Well what are the reasons for refusing it?

People are working themselves into the ground, undervalued, expendable, a number not a person and we seem to be blasé about it as a society.

Mental health will be one of the greatest cause of illness in the 21st century. This (arguably) can be attributed to overwork and lack of leisure time.

We are talking about allowing a further 4 days off a year. 4 days over a working lifetime. Maybe 200 days over a working lifetime. 200 more days to enjoy life more.

That production line will wait, that PC will survive without its keys being stroked, that commodity will still exist tomorrow, that child won't be any less literate and most importantly that person will have 200 more days to enjoy life.

Go on then, argue it. Take the statistic that consistently, for at least 150 years, working hours have been getting shorter, and holidays getting longer, and the other one that mental illness has consistently over recent years (and quite possibly over the last 150) been increasing and increasing, and argue that it's working too hard that causes it.

Guidance - my great grandfather (born approx 1855) worked 6 full days a week (12 hours or more per day) and had two days holiday per year. That was Christmas Day and Boxing Day. He never went to school, except Sunday School./

My great-great aunt, a bit younger (1880 or so) left school at age 8 to work in the mill. My grandmother was older, 12 when she went half time (36 hours), 13 full-time (60 hours). She had the new statutory 12 days holiday a year, including bank holidays. Later increased to 15.

My Dad left school at 16, worked full time (44 hours at least) in accountancy, and then had National Service to contend with.

I work 36 and a quarter hours a week and have 34 days holiday a year.

I'm sure there are valid reasons for wanting more holiday, but it's not that we're overworked and mental illness is the result.

[dsr]

If we're having 4 new bank holidays, try these dates:

16th April
18th June
15th September
21st October

That is, Culloden, Waterloo, Battle of Britain, and Trafalgar. That should help cement relations with our newly-independent vassal states of Scotland, France, Germany and Spain.

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[Paul Waine]

Where on earth do you get your figures?

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So basically, give or take a couple of countries, we get the least paid holidays in the whole of Europe. Why would you write something totally untrue, when even a cursory google search can give the correct answer? It's not even France!

Oops...??? I quoted from either BBC or S Times (can't remember where I heard it). It may be my source was wrong and was assuming that UK statutory leave is 25 days. Or it may be that there are some adjustments needed to independent's figures - it was published in 2016 as part of the argument to remain in EU. What does it mean about "paid public holidays exclude Sundays but include Saturdays?" Many of the Spain/Italy/France public holidays are Catholic feast days, possibly local to a particular region. I don't think the workers get an extra bank holiday if the feast day falls on a Sunday or Saturday.

[Sidney1st]

If we want unity, why not add some bank holidays on other religious holy days - we already have holidays on Christian holy days, so how about adding some Muslim, Hindu and Jewish holy days? (They do that in Singapore, it does help to unify).

That's a great idea.

You may struggle with things like Eid though, because it isn't generally on a set date and I think there can be more than one in a calender year.

[dsr]

That's a great idea.

You may struggle with things like Eid though, because it isn't generally on a set date and I think there can be more than one in a calender year.

You'll also struggle with Eid because they don't know exactly when it is until the day before.

[AndrewJB]

The figures describing the economic cost of bank holidays will be based around falls in production, and take account nothing to do with wellbeing. For example you could calculate similar 'costs' for maternity and paternity leave, or (if you want to really push it) establish a cost for people taking time for lunch.

British people work the longest hours in the EU, and yet have been described by some in the Conservative Party as "among the laziest in the world" The choice is fairly clear here. Vote Labour for new bank holidays, or vote Conservative for the likelihood of reduced holidays.

[Tinribs]

Sums Corbyn up.Mans a joke,his party is a joke.
Such a weak effort to gain a few votes without thinking about the financial impact this would have on business.

[Paul Waine]

The figures describing the economic cost of bank holidays will be based around falls in production, and take account nothing to do with wellbeing. For example you could calculate similar 'costs' for maternity and paternity leave, or (if you want to really push it) establish a cost for people taking time for lunch.

British people work the longest hours in the EU, and yet have been described by some in the Conservative Party as "among the laziest in the world" The choice is fairly clear here. Vote Labour for new bank holidays, or vote Conservative for the likelihood of reduced holidays.

Hi Andrew, none of us want any Conservatives who think we are "among the laziest in the world." We should make sure they are binned.

However, voting Corbyn and extra paid holidays will only prove that whoever said we are "among the laziest in the world" has something...

We all want things. If we don't want a lot, don't work a lot. But, if we do want a lot we need to be prepared to work for it.

"Stop taking, start giving" is my political slogan! (c) Paul Waine, 2017

[Paul Waine]

That's a great idea.

You may struggle with things like Eid though, because it isn't generally on a set date and I think there can be more than one in a calender year.

You'll also struggle with Eid because they don't know exactly when it is until the day before.

And, I'm learning something about another religion, already.

[Sidney1st]

And, I'm learning something about another religion, already.

I only know from having family who're muslims and seeing it on their FB when it's Eid.

[morpheus2]

I guess his strong IRA connections are a well known fact (it's probably already been alluded to on this thread or could be fake news, I don't know), but either way - he's charmed me with his bank holidays.


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