Joey Barton

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Probably, but who do we play up front on their own?

None of our forwards are good enough to do that at this level.

Gray up top with Brady or Defour behind him.

[Dark Cloud]

And he has total respect from me for what he's given us! BUT he should have taken his yellow card "for the team" to prevent Utd's first goal today and generally he's being run rings round by better (younger) players. I don't think SD (or Joey himself) expected him to be a first choice week in week out when he agreed to sign him back on, but Marney's injury made it necessary and he's struggling imo.

[Reckoner]

Nobody is perfect and you can only do the best you can. Given we are likely to finish in our highest ever position in my lifetime - I missed the sixties and early seventies - I can't understand the negativity and desire to pick apart the players and manager every time we don't win. If you can't enjoy being a Burnley supporter this season you are missing a trick - not directed at you it's just weird.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Gray up top with Brady or Defour behind him.

So that's a 4-1-3-1-1 system?

[Rileybobs]

I don't think Barton wanted to take a booking so early in the game, it really would have stifled him. In hindsight it would have been the right thing to do though and at the time the counter attack always looked like it was likely to result in a goal.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

So that's a 4-1-3-1-1 system?

Yes but won't happen! Just think we need to try something different we are becoming too predictable to play against.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Yes but won't happen! Just think we need to try something different we are becoming too predictable to play against.

I agree to a certain extent.

We'll still have the same limited players at this level, whichever system we play.

We can and do in patches play some nice stuff but it does fall down in the final third a lot. That's not just the forwards fault though.

It may be too late in the day for a change this season but next season I'd hope for more strings to our bow.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Yes sure Dyche knows the areas we need to strengthen in which may help us play different systems. This season all about survival then we can hopefully build!

[jrgbfc]

Barton was shocking again yesterday. Not good enough anymore.

[BleedingClaret]

Tarks distribution was poor today, looked a little unsettled. A run of games would probably change that. I don't buy into the whole he's as good as Keane vibe though.

He's probably a match for Keane at everything but pure pace, that's what sets Keane apart from Tarks and Ben Mee.
I think he could play the role Eric Dier plays for England, in centre mid.

[Steve1956]

Did he get off with that betting charge,heard someone in the pub say they saw it on Sky that all the charges had been dropped.

[BleedingClaret]

"Be better used sat in front of the defence in a midfield 5."


I think Tarks would do that better than Joey.
I'd rather see him say in front of a 5ve but still with 2 front men but Defour would do that better than him if fit.
Joey would be best with Hendrick in the middle in a 5 either way with Tarks behind, he could have swatted Martial or with Defour in front with Defour always showing for a pass and with the ability to control the pass in.
Depending on whom you were playing against more defensive for a top team and more attacking for a poor team with home and away considerations but we don't have the players for 451 at the moment with fitness issues and we certainly haven't got the players for 352.So I think we just tough it out for 2 to 4 more points with 442
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[HendricksHair]

He's probably a match for Keane at everything but pure pace, that's what sets Keane apart from Tarks and Ben Mee.
I think he could play the role Eric Dier plays for England, in centre mid.

He wants to play in centre back though he even said it in his interview with Clarets Player after the match yesterday.

[jurek]

Tend to agree with Reckoner in that Joey has done the best possible job for us
but it's asking a lot of him if he's one of only two central midfielders and the wingers aren't
doing what Dyche expects of them.

I do think it calls for a different formation with possibly three in midfield.
Barton and Westwood with Defour just in front might be better and Brady and Gudmundsson
on the flanks. That combination leaves us with just one up front (probably Gray) but is more likely to
enable us to create a few more chances.

We need to do something in our remaining 4 games to try and get that one win and three points
that will hopefully ensure we stay up.

[BleedingClaret]

He wants to play in centre back though he even said it in his interview with Clarets Player after the match yesterday.

I know
He could play with Keane as Mee does
But I worry about the lack of pace with Mee and Tarks

[BleedingClaret]

He wants to play in centre back though he even said it in his interview with Clarets Player after the match yesterday.

I said earlier on I think he'd be great in a role between the defence and the midfield, if we had the players for 451 or 352 at the moment with fitness issues and full backs who lack attacking effectiveness and wide men who are defensively lightweight, we haven't

[beddie]

I read the Hearing last Friday was adjourned as no decision was reached, its now a case of waiting until the commission concludes.

[UpTheBeehole]

I don't think Barton wanted to take a booking so early in the game, it really would have stifled him. In hindsight it would have been the right thing to do though and at the time the counter attack always looked like it was likely to result in a goal.

That's why it's called 'taking one for the team'

[IWOODLOVETT]

He's playing like a man with a load on his mind - hasn't got the concentration and competitive streak that we are used to seeing. Very strange that he didn't take one for the team when Martial outran him for the first goal.

His "professional" brain is somewhere else and he probably fears the worst from the outcome of his hearing. His heart wasn't in it yesterday!!

[BleedingClaret]

Tend to agree with Reckoner in that Joey has done the best possible job for us
but it's asking a lot of him if he's one of only two central midfielders and the wingers aren't
doing what Dyche expects of them.

I do think it calls for a different formation with possibly three in midfield.
Barton and Westwood with Defour just in front might be better and Brady and Gudmundsson
on the flanks. That combination leaves us with just one up front (probably Gray) but is more likely to
enable us to create a few more chances.

We need to do something in our remaining 4 games to try and get that one win and three points
that will hopefully ensure we stay up.

Our attritional style of play has got us more than a point a game and suggest we'll get another 4 points, which will be enough. It's too late to change it now imo
2 more points should be enough.... I hope

[evensteadiereddie]

"His "professional" brain is somewhere else and he probably fears the worst from the outcome of his hearing. His heart wasn't in it yesterday!!"

Nonsense. Barton grafted his wotsits off yesterday. It's because of Barton that Marney's absence hasn't relegated us.

[Rileybobs]

That's why it's called 'taking one for the team'

I know but some players become ineffective once on a yellow. Barton, Barnes and Marney are examples.

I thought at the time that Barton should have taken him down and I think it now. But had he have done so and then got a second yellow shortly after I can guarantee some of the same fans would be saying his first booking was pointless. Split second decisions, small margins. There was still a lot to do to put the ball in the back of the net from that area of the pitch. It was an excellent goal.

[evensteadiereddie]

It was the best example of a counter-attack I've seen since.... oooh, us against Palace.

[fidelcastro]

Did he get off with that betting charge,heard someone in the pub say they saw it on Sky that all the charges had been dropped.

Must be true then.

[UpTheBeehole]

I know but some players become ineffective once on a yellow. Barton, Barnes and Marney are examples.

I thought at the time that Barton should have taken him down and I think it now. But had he have done so and then got a second yellow shortly after I can guarantee some of the same fans would be saying his first booking was pointless. Split second decisions, small margins. There was still a lot to do to put the ball in the back of the net from that area of the pitch. It was an excellent goal.

We had Westwood on the bench. We had Defour on the bench.

Take the ******* booking

[Falcon]

Think this thread is the epitome of knee-jerk reactions.

Yes we were shite on Sunday, I think we all agree on that. Was it in character with our performances for most of the season? No.

[Steve1956]

Must be true then.

Yea, he sounded a really genuine guy.

[Woodleyclaret]

An inspired signing, both times

[kilmalley]

What's your excuse for his performance against Accrington then ?

Sorry, but please remind me when he played against Accrington in the PL ?

[joey13]

Sorry, but please remind me when he played against Accrington in the PL ?

Sorry you lost me on that one