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May loses it

Post by ablueclaret » Wed May 03, 2017 10:59 pm

Gone is the cool operator, in has come the dreary robotic formalist, and now the deluded little Englander, using all that is worst in political chicanery to gain advantage whilst doing nothing to further the future prospects of the people of this country.
She has shown herself up as the worst of all politicians, the self serving kind.
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Re: May loses it

Post by 1968claret » Wed May 03, 2017 11:01 pm

I have to agree.
The minute she said Tarkowski couldn't play midfield, she lost my vote! :)
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Re: May loses it

Post by taio » Wed May 03, 2017 11:04 pm

Refreshing to have a thread on a completely different subject

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Re: May loses it

Post by LoveCurryPies » Wed May 03, 2017 11:05 pm

I think you've lost it Ablue!

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Re: May loses it

Post by DCWat » Wed May 03, 2017 11:10 pm

Change a few words and this reads as your Dyche posts.

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Re: May loses it

Post by Stalbansclaret » Wed May 03, 2017 11:10 pm

Have to agree with the OP to be fair. "Strong and stable" opportunism.
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Re: May loses it

Post by jurek » Wed May 03, 2017 11:19 pm

I have to agree with ablue on this one.

May has gone from the best of a bad bunch in respect to potential Conservative leaders post Brexit
to someone who is beginning to sound like a record player when the needle has got stuck.

Another few weeks of this from our Supreme Leader (Kim Jung-May as John Grace has named her)
and I think I may well have to vomit!

She is fast becoming an opportunist and optimistic lemming jumping off the cliff face.
Does she not realise what happens to lemmings when they hit the bottom?

I, for one, have no intention of following her over the cliff face.

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Re: May loses it

Post by Wile E Coyote » Wed May 03, 2017 11:34 pm

she's a vindictive, and horrendous cow, god alone knows how so many saw fit to have her party in power. a billion things so obviously wrong and unjust, and this uncaring sh**bag is our prime minister ! what a lot of idiots our electorate are.
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Re: May loses it

Post by Clarets4me » Wed May 03, 2017 11:53 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:she's a vindictive, and horrendous cow, god alone knows how so many saw fit to have her party in power. a billion things so obviously wrong and unjust, and this uncaring sh**bag is our prime minister ! what a lot of idiots our electorate are.
So you prefer Corbyn as PM, the Communist McDonnell sitting at the Treasury, the racist & in-numerate Diane Abbott at the Home Office and Lady Nugee at the Foreign Office....
You need your bumps felt, my friend !!!
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Re: May loses it

Post by dsr » Thu May 04, 2017 12:05 am

Well, you can expect Corbyn wouldn't be so nasty about that nice Mr. Juncker and his request for umpty billion Euros. He'd have paid up like a good 'un. Presumably taking the money out of an increase in Capital Gains Tax.
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Re: May loses it

Post by starting_11 » Thu May 04, 2017 12:07 am

Ones gonna win...the other aint ;)

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Re: May loses it

Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu May 04, 2017 12:08 am

Clarets4me wrote:So you prefer Corbyn as PM, the Communist McDonnell sitting at the Treasury, the racist & in-numerate Diane Abbott at the Home Office and Lady Nugee at the Foreign Office....
You need your bumps felt, my friend !!!
I have already referred to my insanity elsewhere on this board tonight, so my bumps are in good hands thanks.
You on the other hand are plainly incapable of rational thought on any level.

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Re: May loses it

Post by If it be your will » Thu May 04, 2017 12:10 am

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Post by Colburn_Claret » Thu May 04, 2017 12:22 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:I have already referred to my insanity elsewhere on this board tonight, so my bumps are in good hands thanks.
You on the other hand are plainly incapable of rational thought on any level.
Why?
Because he disagrees with you? Politics is always devisive, but the majority of the country disagree with you. Are they all incapable of rational thought?


It's probably true that May doesn't say a lot. Common sense dictates that when the opposition are doing your job for you the last thing you want to do is interrupt them.
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Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu May 04, 2017 12:36 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:Why?
Because he disagrees with you? Politics is always devisive, but the majority of the country disagree with you. Are they all incapable of rational thought?


It's probably true that May doesn't say a lot. Common sense dictates that when the opposition are doing your job for you the last thing you want to do is interrupt them.
no, but because she represents a foul and reprehensible elite, the levels of poverty and inequality in this country beggar belief, to try and suggest this is some petty squabble with a fellow claret is lunacy. If you cannot grasp the inanity of your comment, then I won't bother thanks.
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Re: May loses itp

Post by Clarets4me » Thu May 04, 2017 1:15 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:no, but because she represents a foul and reprehensible elite, the levels of poverty and inequality in this country beggar belief, to try and suggest this is some petty squabble with a fellow claret is lunacy. If you cannot grasp the inanity of your comment, then I won't bother thanks.
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You are clearly deluded, the levels of poverty & inequality here are nothing compared to most countries in Africa, Asia, and the America's...Do you see Mrs May building palaces for her family, or perhaps you may want to check out Mr Putin's wealth, or President Zuma's bank balance ?

Does it ever occur to you why people flock here from all over the world ??

In the words of Jim Callaghan, to the IMF negotiator in 1976... " Grow up, Sonny "...

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Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu May 04, 2017 1:22 am

Clarets4me wrote:..

You are clearly deluded, the levels of poverty & inequality here are nothing compared to most countries in Africa, Asia, and the America's...Do you see Mrs May building palaces for her family, or perhaps you may want to check out Mr Putin's wealth, or President Zuma's bank balance ?

Does it ever occur to you why people flock here from all over the world ??

In the words of Jim Callaghan, to the IMF negotiator in 1976... " Grow up, Sonny "...
its because of mindnubingly stupid people such as you , that decent people struggle to make a living, and a have a voice.
please stick to x factor and coronation street omnibus editions, because politically you are vapid.

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Re: May loses it

Post by Chester Perry » Thu May 04, 2017 1:23 am

She is many things to many people - but is not wrong about what the EU is up too

take it from someone who knows - not me if you were wondering

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Post by Colburn_Claret » Thu May 04, 2017 1:37 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:no, but because she represents a foul and reprehensible elite, the levels of poverty and inequality in this country beggar belief, to try and suggest this is some petty squabble with a fellow claret is lunacy. If you cannot grasp the inanity of your comment, then I won't bother thanks.
There's always room for improvement, but if you think the levels of poverty in this country beggar belief you must be very young.
It's the levels of benefits in this country that beggar belief. I can't speak for everyone but I know lots of people who've never worked a day in their lives. None of them are living in poverty. Therefore I would suggest that anyone living in poverty is either doing it through life choice or very
exceptional circumstances. I haven't seen any laws in this country that make half the unemployed live in easy street with the other half paying the price.
So if you ever meet any of these people ask them why?
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Re: May loses itp

Post by Clarets4me » Thu May 04, 2017 1:41 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:its because of mindnubingly stupid people such as you , that decent people struggle to make a living, and a have a voice.
please stick to x factor and coronation street omnibus editions, because politically you are vapid.
Do you mean " mind-numbingly ? ". I take it you mean " and have a voice ", rather than what you wrote ?
BTW, I last watched X factor when Susan Boyle was on, and I lost interest in Coronation Street, when Minnie Caldwell died !!

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Re: May loses it

Post by Rowls » Thu May 04, 2017 1:47 am

House!

Somebody used the phrase "little Englander" without irony.

Please pay my prize into my bank account:

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Post by Rowls » Thu May 04, 2017 1:51 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:no, but because she represents a foul and reprehensible elite, the levels of poverty and inequality in this country beggar belief, to try and suggest this is some petty squabble with a fellow claret is lunacy. If you cannot grasp the inanity of your comment, then I won't bother thanks.
Brilliant. The same inequality which has barely shifted for about 30 years.

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Re: May loses it

Post by HatfieldClaret » Thu May 04, 2017 6:07 am

"a foul and reprehensible elite, the levels of poverty and inequality in this country beggar belief"

Is East Lancs that bad ?

2 points.
She represents us all as PM, and a broad swathe of the electorate are grateful for it and it's not just the elite who are backing her.
Have you ever witnessed poverty ?

It sounds like you should be happy if more people are in poverty, there'd be more equality ......

And as for Juncker etc, a divorce is only as nasty and difficult as the parties involved want to make it.

Off to work.

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Post by ralph » Thu May 04, 2017 6:14 am

HatfieldClaret wrote:"a foul and reprehensible elite, the levels of poverty and inequality in this country beggar belief"

Is East Lancs that bad ?

2 points.
She represents us all as PM, and a broad swathe of the electorate are grateful for it and it's not just the elite who are backing her.
Have you ever witnessed poverty ?

It sounds like you should be happy if more people are in poverty, there'd be more equality ......

And as for Juncker etc, a divorce is only as nasty and difficult as the parties involved want to make it.

Off to work.
Yes in parts of East Lancashire poverty is very real ... if you worked in education up here for example yes you would witness it - regularly.
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Post by ralph » Thu May 04, 2017 6:18 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:There's always room for improvement, but if you think the levels of poverty in this country beggar belief you must be very young.
It's the levels of benefits in this country that beggar belief. I can't speak for everyone but I know lots of people who've never worked a day in their lives. None of them are living in poverty. Therefore I would suggest that anyone living in poverty is either doing it through life choice or very
exceptional circumstances. I haven't seen any laws in this country that make half the unemployed live in easy street with the other half paying the price.
So if you ever meet any of these people ask them why?

I think we can acknowledge an element of truth there ,some adults do make these choices how many I couldn't honestly say, but I do know that the U16s living in poverty across the UK have not made that choice for themselves and it is a serious and shameful issue in 21st century Britain.

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Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Thu May 04, 2017 6:26 am

ralph wrote:Yes in parts of East Lancashire poverty is very real ... if you worked in education up here for example yes you would witness it - regularly.
Exactly. But at least it's not as bad as places in Africa so no need to really worry about it yet!
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Post by ralph » Thu May 04, 2017 6:35 am

It doesn't worry me so much as depress me to be honest ... anybody who doubts real child poverty can find it within five minutes of Turf Moor simply by opening their eyes .. parents could well be the much characterised feckless layabouts or there might be other reasons but it is a real issue.

Africa doesn't come into the discussion ....
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Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Thu May 04, 2017 6:38 am

Totally agree with you. Also work in education and see it on a daily basis. As you say depressing especially in 2017 Britain.
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Re: May loses it

Post by JohnMcGreal » Thu May 04, 2017 7:26 am

She's a total embarrassment. She's miles out of her depth and needs booting out of office.
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Re: May loses it

Post by bobinho » Thu May 04, 2017 7:34 am

Hardly down to the current government though is it?

People's attitudes towards work have changed over the last 30/40 years. The gap between benefits thrown around to the undeserving and real time wages isn't great enough. We should make it financially viable for people to work. I.e. If you don't work you won't have enough money for sky television, a 55" flat screen plasma to watch it on, forty bensons to smoke whilst Jeremy Kyle is on, and a few pints every nite in the boozer. These families are handed enough money to survive with the essentials to look after their families. They CHOOSE to spend the money on non-essentials which has now become the norm. Maybe that's the reasons kids are going to school hungry.

Let's give them MORE money for nothing to really give them an incentive to go out and make their own lives better.

I'm sure there are people on the poverty line, and below it. But I'd bet most of it is of their own making.

Choices. Make bad ones and pay the price.

Attitudes. Have a poor one and blame everyone else for your misfortune.

Off to work. Taxes to pay, so that the lazy and skint can get a taxi to the pub.
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Re: May loses it

Post by ralph » Thu May 04, 2017 7:40 am

"Hardly down to the current government though is it?"

I never said it was - I said it was a real issue in response to the thoughts of someone who doesn't live up here questioning the extent of poverty in East Lancashire ..

It is a real issue whatever the cause ..
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Re: May loses it

Post by JohnDearyMe » Thu May 04, 2017 7:47 am

Why is Theresa May so desperate to avoid any interaction with the general public or receive any scrutiny from the media?

She is nailed on to win the election comfortably and yet hasn't said anything meaningful about her plans on any significant issues. It is insulting to the British public
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Re: May loses it

Post by Damo » Thu May 04, 2017 8:16 am

Anyone complaining about poverty in this country has clearly never left these shores.
They have certainly never been to a socialist state

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Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Thu May 04, 2017 8:20 am

Damo wrote:Anyone complaining about poverty in this country has clearly never left these shores.
They have certainly never been to a socialist state
So because it is worse in other counties then it isn't really an issue in Britain? Sound logic.

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Re: May loses it

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu May 04, 2017 8:21 am

It depends on your definition of poverty at a guess.

Plenty of people struggle to makes ends meet, and the % of people who work and still live in poverty is growing all the time.

Thats the real issue, why are people going to work if they are still below the poverty line?
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Post by Caernarfon_Claret » Thu May 04, 2017 8:32 am

bobinho wrote:Hardly down to the current government though is it?

People's attitudes towards work have changed over the last 30/40 years. The gap between benefits thrown around to the undeserving and real time wages isn't great enough. We should make it financially viable for people to work. I.e. If you don't work you won't have enough money for sky television, a 55" flat screen plasma to watch it on, forty bensons to smoke whilst Jeremy Kyle is on, and a few pints every nite in the boozer. These families are handed enough money to survive with the essentials to look after their families. They CHOOSE to spend the money on non-essentials which has now become the norm. Maybe that's the reasons kids are going to school hungry.

Let's give them MORE money for nothing to really give them an incentive to go out and make their own lives better.

I'm sure there are people on the poverty line, and below it. But I'd bet most of it is of their own making.

Choices. Make bad ones and pay the price.

Attitudes. Have a poor one and blame everyone else for your misfortune.

Off to work. Taxes to pay, so that the lazy and skint can get a taxi to the pub.

You obviously resent paying taxes - But we pay taxes because it is a legal requirement not because we're giving it to layabouts - It would still be the same levels of tax if there were no layabouts - it just might be that the money was spent on roads or something else that you see as more worthwhile or more funds for The Armed Forces.

What I have never understood is that you can have someone who unfortunately is not very bright academically but who works incredibly hard at a low paying job and then can be dismissed as being in poverty due to their own fault - nothing to do with the superciliousness of society - oh a cleaner they only deserve minimum wage for cleaning up after me.
It is true there are people who are on benefits who are well off but the money does not come from benefits it comes from the dishonesty of working on the side and claiming benefits falsely - The problem I have with the term layabouts is it is plain wrong - One the one hand you have those who have crippling depression/anxiety (which robs them of motivation - so in actual fact likely to be someone who can work but possibly only able to work 20 hours a week - but doesn't have the motivation to claim benefits that they are perhaps entitled to - On the other hand those who thrive on benefits are likely not to be layabouts as it requires quite a lot of activity/motivation to earn the extra on the side - selling illegal tobacco - doing odd jobs - breaking and entering)

You end up putting Depressed people (lacking motivation) in with Fraudulent benefits claimants (Highly motivated).

If we did return to Victorian values a lot of noble people would end up in Work Houses (where they split families up in order to motivate them) Yes there needs to be something done about fraudulent claimants - but the people doing the job need to be those who have had depression as they'll be able to spot the genuine from the false - The clueless (those who've never had depression) would cut funds from genuine claimants as well as false.

If I were you I'd be more concerned by the Billions governments have spent employing people to ask incredibly inappropriate questions and take away benefits from people who are some of the most needy in society.

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Post by NottsClaret » Thu May 04, 2017 8:41 am

bobinho wrote:Off to work. Taxes to pay, so that the lazy and skint can get a taxi to the pub.
I'm off to work too. Taxes to pay, so that the company I work for can hugely benefit from the infrastructure those taxes pay for, the education my workforce has benefitted from, the free healthcare which enables them to turn up for work every day, and to subsidise the wages I wouldn't want my wealthy shareholders to have to pay.

And yet I'm pretty sure the boss will describe himself as a 'self made man'.
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Re: May loses it

Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu May 04, 2017 8:57 am

May now bleating about the EU interfering in our election :lol: She's thoroughly pi$$ed off because she and her party have no control over what Juncker and Co do or say.
Here, she can stage-manage her electioneering meetings, avoid real voters, peddle all the garbage she likes about the opposition, run scared from honest, open TV debate and people are too dumb to wonder why.
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Re: May loses it

Post by Damo » Thu May 04, 2017 9:01 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:So because it is worse in other counties then it isn't really an issue in Britain? Sound logic.
Because it's worse in 99% of the rest of the world. To use poverty in the UK as a stick to beat the tory's with is either extremely naive or extremely manipulative

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Re: May loses it

Post by hampsteadclaret » Thu May 04, 2017 9:01 am

Yesterday was rather special..TM certainly showed her opportunistic streak writ large...we are about to enter a crucial period where we need to push the Brexit fiasco forwards, and get as many favours/co-operations from 'our European friends' as we can, [there are many more of them than us] and she decides to get all aggressive and insult them all [without naming any of them] before we have barely started. Great..that'll work, no problems with that strategy.

She is wrapping herself in the flag, and waving her sabre at the nasty foreigner, who [as usual] is trying to do us down...she is then hoping that enough dopes here will buy into this nonsense [which they will] and she'll end up with a big fat majority. She won't be the first Tory leader to take shelter in the Union Jack when things are getting a bit shytt. This behaviour is unlikely to help us get a good deal when escaping the EU. It is largely about Tory party interest rather than national interest.

We have been upsetting our continental neighbours since we dived in with them in 1973, with our arrogance and separation and whining. I don't see relations improving anytime soon. Whatever the opinion polls say, and whatever majority she ends up with, the next five years are not going to go well in this country, trust me on that one.

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Re: May loses it

Post by Sidney1st » Thu May 04, 2017 9:05 am

The EU isn't going to give us a good deal if they can help it.
Simply down to the fact that if they do, other countries might start to think that leaving is a good idea.

If TM bends over and lets the EU shaft us, then people will be quick enough to appear on here and complain she didn't do the job.
A bit like there are people complaining now that she's stated she isn't going to be a push over.

The former Greek finance minister was on 5 live yesterday and he pretty much said the EU can't afford to let us off lightly and they will try their best to screw us down.
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Re: May loses it

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Thu May 04, 2017 9:05 am

Damo wrote:Because it's worse in 99% of the rest of the world. To use poverty in the UK as a stick to beat the tory's with is either extremely naive or extremely manipulative
Didn't mention the Tories as above just stated it's a real issue that isn't being tackled by any party.

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Re: May loses it

Post by ablueclaret » Thu May 04, 2017 9:14 am

She knows that any position the Europeans take which she can rail against only favours the Tories. So any interference is actually promoting her side, the duplicity of her speech reeks with insincerity.
And as for Europe doing down the UK weren't we being told we would prosper even if we had no deal. She's just a poor women's Margaret Thatcher, with no agenda or care for the vast majority of this country but who has wrapped herself in the garb of UKIP but talked like a born again socialist. Sometimes having too many of the electorate at your disposal can be dangerous, she will have to decide where she really sits.

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Re: May loses it

Post by Sidney1st » Thu May 04, 2017 9:14 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Didn't mention the Tories as above just stated it's a real issue that isn't being tackled by any party.
There are a few issues that neither of the main parties is interested in dealing with unfortunately.
The NHS and benefits system being two of them.

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Re: May loses it

Post by ablueclaret » Thu May 04, 2017 9:17 am

The EU will look after their own interests so will we, but to accuse EU leaders of trying to influence this election when the best they can do is to enhance the Tory vote is completely ingenuous.
Just typical Tory propaganda which the British public fall for every time because they really can't be bothered to think.
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Re: May loses it

Post by Sidney1st » Thu May 04, 2017 9:17 am

ablueclaret wrote:She knows that any position the Europeans take which she can rail against only favours the Tories. So any interference is actually promoting her side, the duplicity of her speech reeks with insincerity.
And as for Europe doing down the UK weren't we being told we would prosper even if we had no deal. She's just a poor women's Margaret Thatcher, with no agenda or care for the vast majority of this country but who has wrapped herself in the garb of UKIP but talked like a born again socialist. Sometimes having too many of the electorate at your disposal can be dangerous, she will have to decide where she really sits.
There is the possibility we could prosper though.

If the EU puts a deal on the table that isn't actually any good for the UK would you rather she signed it off or walked away from it?
I'm sure many of you would like her to sign a rubbish deal so you can sit here banging away about her being a nasty Tory, but what would be the point?

It's a bit like the EU now demanding more money, that's to cover their shortfall when we leave because they probably know that some of the member states won't be able to increase their payments into the EU by that much just yet.
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Re: May loses it

Post by Damo » Thu May 04, 2017 9:18 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:It depends on your definition of poverty at a guess.

Plenty of people struggle to makes ends meet, and the % of people who work and still live in poverty is growing all the time.

Thats the real issue, why are people going to work if they are still below the poverty line?
So what's your definition of poverty?
I've said before on here, genuine poverty barely exists in the UK.
I think that may change though if Cornyn is ever in charge

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Re: May loses it

Post by jlup1980 » Thu May 04, 2017 9:18 am

JohnDearyMe wrote:Why is Theresa May so desperate to avoid any interaction with the general public or receive any scrutiny from the media?

She is nailed on to win the election comfortably and yet hasn't said anything meaningful about her plans on any significant issues. It is insulting to the British public
I'm not convinced May doesn't want to interact, I suspect it's the Tory advisers who are saying "for the love of god, don't let her speak!" because every time she opens her mouth she comes across very very badly. I said on another thread yesterday she was losing ground in a one horse race and I stand by that. She doesn't demonstrate any of the qualities you expect of a leader.

And let's be honest elections these days aren't won on making meaningful commitments to issues; they're won by mud slinging. It's all one big embarrassing mess.
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Re: May loses it

Post by ablueclaret » Thu May 04, 2017 9:20 am

Known so many people rail against the benefit system and then be humbled when they lose their job, only to return to seeing it as an abomination once they get a new job again.
Looking after the more vulnerable in a society is the hallmark of a civilised society but so many want the dog eat dog approach.
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Re: May loses it

Post by Guich » Thu May 04, 2017 9:21 am

Opportunistic May maybe; but as people have written above, she needn't do anything while the opposition do everything for her.

Don't read too much into the early EU exchanges, it's purely posturing because little can be done in private these days. The big clunking fist of Angela Merkel is already setting the rhythm, not the EU. And rest assured, a big cheer went up in Spain, Italy, Greece and much of France when May made her speech.

This election should be quick and simple but some are keen to make it as unseemly and distasteful as the EU one last year. Roll on July.

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