France votes pro-EU

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:06 pm

Turns out France isn't as stupid as we are. Good for them!

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Man of Kent · Post by **Man of Kent** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:09 pm

Politics on a day like this?! Change the record.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:14 pm

Its France....they've got more invested in the EU then we have.
Their farmers really need them to stay in the EU don't they?
What about the currency if that fails?

The UK in comparison was more on the edges.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:15 pm

Perhaps they realised how much they will be punished by the EU, or they could have voted for the relaxation of employment safeguards, a longer working week, smaller public sector, higher retirement age, relaxation of border controls and increased police powers.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:20 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Turns out France isn't as stupid as we are. Good for them!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-39823865" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We'll see just how intelligent they are over the next few years when they get their hearts ripped out through islamic terrorism.

Geoff · Post by **Geoff** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:21 pm

Maybe if the Government hadn't blocked the press from releasing details of the Macron leaks to the French public the result would've been different.

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:21 pm

I live in France.
This was a vote against fascism. Most people arn't behind Macron but the alternative of the far right is unacceptable.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:23 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:We'll see just how intelligent they are over the next few years when they get their hearts ripped out through islamic terrorism.

...but suggesting the need for an emergency budget was scaremongering.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:23 pm

Geoff wrote:Maybe if the Government hadn't blocked the press from releasing details of the Macron leaks to the French public the result would've been different.

You don't really know what you're talking about, do you?

Manceau · Post by **Manceau** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:24 pm

Excellent news, another defeat for the far right in Europe, following elections in Austria and Holland.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:24 pm

Cheese eating surrender monkeys.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:24 pm

Not really news is it?
Anyone who has been predicting a victory for Le Pen doesn't understand the very democratic nature of the French electoral system, or the generally pro- EU sentiment in France.
Those who have been predicting a Le Pen victory following Brexit and Trump have based it on wild optimism - not facts, and if you check back on my posts for the past 12 months I've consistently said this.
Austria, the Netherlands and now France have rejected far-right candidates, which suggests that predictions that the EU will fracture are premature, especially if Merkel wins in the autumn.

Geoff · Post by **Geoff** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:25 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You don't really know what you're talking about, do you?

As opposed to you?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:25 pm

Geoff wrote:As opposed to you?

Well i know that Hollande's government didn't block anything, it was already the law.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:25 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:...but suggesting the need for an emergency budget was scaremongering.

234 people killed in france in less than 2 years, with the problem set to get worse, and they voted for the guy who will do absolutely nothing about it.

You call that scaremongering? I don't care though, they had the chance to fight back but chose their natural position as a nation of cowards and picked a soulless political shill, globalist banker.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:27 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:234 people killed in france in less than 2 years, with the problem set to get worse, and they voted for the guy who will do absolutely nothing about it.

You call that scaremongering? I don't care though, they had the chance to fight back but chose their natural position as a nation of cowards and picked a soulless political shill, globalist banker.

What would Le Pen have done except give ordinary Muslims a reason to think the French people genuinely hated them? Go on. Elaborate.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:29 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote: I don't care though ... a nation of cowards and picked a soulless political shill, globalist banker.

Yeah. You clearly don't care.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:32 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:What would Le Pen have done except give ordinary Muslims a reason to think the French people genuinely hated them? Go on. Elaborate.

Well lets just see how the ordinary muslims repay this show of solidarity over the next few years when the terrorist attacks keep coming. Which i assure you, as certain as the sun will set will come. Lets see if this show of unity against fascism as you call it encourages the moderates to rally around the French people and finally root out the evil that lays in their communities once and for all.

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:35 pm

Le Pen proved herself as nothing other than a goose stepping idiot during the debate on Wednesday evening on French TV.
She was limited to personal insults to the personal life of Macron, and for some bizarre reason, the age difference between him and his wife.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:37 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote: they had the chance to fight back but chose their natural position as a nation of cowards and picked a soulless political shill, globalist banker.

I'm genuinely intrigued. In what sense are the French a nation of cowards?. They have an extraordinarily proud military history and have frequently shown amazing courage and bravery. You only have to think back to WW1 and then the resistance during WW2. Then go back a bit further and consider their achievements under Napoleon, not to mention the Norman Conquest.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:39 pm

I weren't aware the French were having a "FREXIT" more of a general election which happens every 4 years or so

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:42 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Well lets just see how the ordinary muslims repay this show of solidarity over the next few years when the terrorist attacks keep coming. Which i assure you, as certain as the sun will set will come. Lets see if this show of unity against fascism as you call it encourages the moderates to rally around the French people and finally root out the evil that lays in their communities once and for all.

I live and work with a lot of French Muslim people...and, as of yet, no bombings?

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:43 pm

Barry_Chuckle wrote:I weren't aware the French were having a "FREXIT" more of a general election which happens every 4 years or so

Well I think the point is, is that Le Pen was standing on a FREXIT promise, and little else in the way of policies, (apart from causing a massive issue with the significant Muslim minority in France).

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:51 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Well lets just see how the ordinary muslims repay this show of solidarity over the next few years when the terrorist attacks keep coming. Which i assure you, as certain as the sun will set will come. Lets see if this show of unity against fascism as you call it encourages the moderates to rally around the French people and finally root out the evil that lays in their communities once and for all.

Fake agitation

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:52 pm

I spend a lot of time in France and, in my experience, there is a lot of Euro Scepticism. The people I speak to are unhappy that the UK is leaving the EU on the basis that leaves them with Germany.

But while the French are fiercely patriotic, they are not (generally) racist, just like every other world population. They would never vote for a fascist, but a Eurosceptic moderate would have won, I suspect.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:56 pm

What happened to the Tommy Robinson thread? I didn't notice anyone quote any Islamic scriptures, yet it still disappeared.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun May 07, 2017 7:57 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Well lets just see how the ordinary muslims repay this show of solidarity over the next few years when the terrorist attacks keep coming. ...

Are you saying that ordinary Muslims are responsible for terrorist attacks? Because it really looks like that's what you're trying to say.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:00 pm

IT, like you, they are c*nts, we aren't. Have a drink and STFU.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:00 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Are you saying that ordinary Muslims are responsible for terrorist attacks? Because it really looks like that's what you're trying to say.

Why did you cut out the rest of what i said? The part that said will ordinary muslims now rise against the radicals within their communities now that the french have in your opinion shown force against fascism. Who are you trying to kid with half quotes?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:01 pm

I'm not bothered anyway.

Burnley are safe, Bastards are down.

The French have made their bed and they can die in it.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:02 pm

Maybe if the Government hadn't blocked the press from releasing details of the Macron leaks to the French public the result would've been different.

Its absolutely incredible that people can't see that its a blatant attempt by Wikileaks (run by a bloke who is so far up Putins arse, he's almost touching Marie Le Pens feet) to sabotage the democratic process.

Just how far do this lot have to go before you'll accept thats its a blatant attempt to destroy democracy in Western Europe?

Heathclaret · Post by **Heathclaret** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:02 pm

Murger wrote:Cheese eating surrender monkeys.

When I see shite like this posted about a nation that suffered terribly in both wars, I seriously wonder about the intelligence of the person who writes it. Pathetic.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:02 pm

Serves 'em right the cheese eating surreder monkeys. Stuck with Drunker and his ineffective, inefficient, money grabbing, corrupt and unnacountable socialist dis-organization.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:03 pm

And I apologise for talking about politics, when we should be just celebrating!

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:03 pm

Heathclaret wrote:When I see shite like this posted about a nation that suffered terribly in both wars, I seriously wonder about the intelligence of the person who writes it. Pathetic.

Grow up and get real you big baby.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:04 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Well I think the point is, is that Le Pen was standing on a FREXIT promise, and little else in the way of policies, (apart from causing a massive issue with the significant Muslim minority in France).

I'm no fan of Le Pen, but her initial promise, since softened, was to leave the Euro currency, and offer a vote as to whether or not to have a Referendum on Frexit ! The rest of her policy agenda was left-wing, protection of jobs, anti globalist, pro-tariffs and a vow to reintoduce Border Guards...

As she won't win, it hardly matters in the short term.. Macron will win but hardly anything will change. All of his reforms will run up against the Unions or Farmers, who will block the streets/ports/auto-routes with burning petrol laden tyres, and masked men until he climbs down. Meanwhile, Mrs Merkl will continue her slow road to a German dominated European superstate, or 4th Reich! This was always the original aim of the founding fathers of the European movement !!

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:07 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Why did you cut out the rest of what i said? The part that said will ordinary muslims now rise against the radicals within their communities now that the french have in your opinion shown force against fascism. Who are you trying to kid with half quotes?

Obfuscation, deflection, quote mining, false equivalences, straw men, moral superiority, virtue signal, "you are a racist", shut down debate, "I win".

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:09 pm

halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote:Le Pen proved herself as nothing other than a goose stepping idiot during the debate on Wednesday evening on French TV.
She was limited to personal insults to the personal life of Macron, and for some bizarre reason, the age difference between him and his wife.

It's pretty typical of fascists. They know they can't win based on the facts fo their arguments so instead they have to go after you personally. Britain First, for example, pride themselves in threatening "direct action", particularly against journalists, instead of winning arguments if you do something they don't like. If you followed the US election on internet forums or subreddits you'll have rarely seen Trump supports try to make valid arguments. Instead what they'll do is ban you from whatever subreddit you're posting in if you say anything that upset their narrative, and then get back to calling Hillary Clinton literally a murderer, or bring up Bill Clinton's infidelity, or claim she's part of a paedophile ring.

Just look at Moffitt's visceral reaction about the French. That's basically all the alt-right have when it comes to ideas. All they have is hatred and anger. No workable ideas whatsoever. It's why Trump can't get anything done, because what he wants doing can't work.

Manceau · Post by **Manceau** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:10 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Its absolutely incredible that people can't see that its a blatant attempt by Wikileaks (run by a bloke who is so far up Putins arse, he's almost touching Marie Le Pens feet) to sabotage the democratic process.

Just how far do this lot have to go before you'll accept thats its a blatant attempt to destroy democracy in Western Europe?

Particularly as this inability to see that this is taking place generally seems to come from the same people that hold huge, huge store in individual nation sovereignty. Yet, no comment about interference in elections, just weird stuff about how having your servers hacked and leaked isn't a problem if you've nothing to hide.

Strange.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:12 pm

Heathclaret wrote:When I see shite like this posted about a nation that suffered terribly in both wars, I seriously wonder about the intelligence of the person who writes it. Pathetic.

Oh bore off you pathetic crybaby. It's a quote from The Simpsons.

Heathclaret · Post by **Heathclaret** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:14 pm

Stayingup wrote:Grow up and get real you big baby.

Do you see the irony in what you have posted? Or are you really that thick?

Heathclaret · Post by **Heathclaret** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:16 pm

Murger wrote:Oh bore off you pathetic crybaby. It's a quote from The Simpsons.

You quote the Simpsons, wow! And you call me a cry baby. You are pathetic.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:17 pm

Its a quote from the Simpsons.

That ok then.

Just to be clear Murger, does that mean that the 80,000 British soldiers who surrendered at Singapore were "cheese eating surrender monkeys"?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:18 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's pretty typical of fascists. They know they can't win based on the facts fo their arguments so instead they have to go after you personally. Britain First, for example, pride themselves in threatening "direct action", particularly against journalists, instead of winning arguments if you do something they don't like. If you followed the US election on internet forums or subreddits you'll have rarely seen Trump supports try to make valid arguments. Instead what they'll do is ban you from whatever subreddit you're posting in if you say anything that upset their narrative, and then get back to calling Hillary Clinton literally a murderer, or bring up Bill Clinton's infidelity, or claim she's part of a paedophile ring.

Just look at Moffitt's visceral reaction about the French. That's basically all the alt-right have when it comes to ideas. All they have is hatred and anger. No workable ideas whatsoever. It's why Trump can't get anything done, because what he wants doing can't work.

Blah blah ******* blah.

Like I say, let's see if France is a better, more peaceful place in 5 years to what it is now then seeing as its done all the right things in your eyes shall we? The French people have made their position clear, they have chosen globalism, they have chosen the establishment, they have chosen eastern immigration, they have chosen a neutral stance on the fight against domestic terrorism.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:20 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Its a quote from the Simpsons.

That ok then.

Just to be clear Murger, does that mean that the 80,000 British soldiers who surrendered at Singapore were "cheese eating surrender monkeys"?

Jesus wept. I make a joke comment from a tv program and everyone starts crying.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:21 pm

I see all the Lefties are out in force tonight. Has someone said something to upset them?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:21 pm

They have chosen a "neutral" stance?

Yeah, course they have. They just let terrorists get away with it over there....

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:24 pm

If only you meant it as a joke.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:25 pm

They have done what they have always done. Shat their pants and surrendered.

They've heard all the "we are gonna shaft the uk" rhetoric and poo'd in their little lacey panties, and gone for what they know. Scared to death of change.

The EU is dated, and on its way out. We started it, the others will follow. France will be left til last.

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Sun May 07, 2017 8:26 pm

Vino blanco wrote:I see all the Lefties are out in force tonight. Has someone said something to upset them?

Not at all, I'm happy, yet another vote againt the far right