Labour's maths...

[Claretrew]

Labour in Europe
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sourc ... LRU_i1OMxw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Claretrew]

Labour and corporation tax
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sourc ... OAAu3dgWxA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Claretrew]

Labour and the NHS
Labour began the privatisation of the NHS through a number of different acts during their last time in office, Competition act 1998, Enterprise act 2002, 2006 NHS act and the Public Sector Procurement Regulation 2006.
In 1997 spending on NHS Managers was less than £190 million by 2010 this had risen by 450% to £1billion annually.

[Flat Stanley]

Irrelevant whether Labours maths are correct. They have no chance of getting into power. What people need to decide is do they want a functional effective opposition that is going to oppose and put scrutiny on some of the Tories worse policies or do they want to see Labour wiped off the map and give the Tories a mandate to do whatever they want (including further cuts to schools and other public services which are already in a mess).

[If it be your will]

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[Claretrew]

If that's the case why do post a link showing him abstain from two votes on bombing and nothing to do with market driven reforms?

[Claretrew]

Here you go I will help you out
https://amp.theguardian.com/society/201 ... emy-corbyn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[If it be your will]

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[corporal jones]

And clear the mountainous debts racked up by the tories.

Would that be the mountainous debts that have been reduced since the truly mountainous ones caused by the 2008 crash under, let me see... Oh yes the labour government.

[AndrewJB]

Under the total time Labour was in office, manufacturing fell from a share of 18% of the economy in 1997 to 10% by 2010 (the closest available approximations). Up to the end of Tony Blair's premiership it fell to 11% by 2007. No previous stint of government for any party since 1970 saw this level of decline from start to finish.

I argued nearly as much against the Blair and Brown economics then as I do May's now. Sadly May is sticking with what doesn't work, but Labour are now putting forward much stronger policies.

[Spiral]

Blair's Labour isn't Corbyn's Labour. It's daft to warn against voting for Corbyn's Labour by criticising the track record of Blair's Labour. They are virtually two different parties. Blair's Labour did an enormous amount of good for the country, especially in the early days, but the policies that most people consider worthy of criticism are the kinds of policy (syntax?) that were wholly endorsed by the Conservatives. Hospital PFI, for instance, was mooted by the Tories but never saw the light of day on their watch for fear of it being political self-harm. The Tories wholly endorsed and in fact made it their policy to match Brown's spending plans in the months prior to the '08 liquidity crisis.

[Juan Tanamera]

Would that be the mountainous debts that have been reduced since the truly mountainous ones caused by the 2008 crash under, let me see... Oh yes the labour government.

See post 20

[Spiral]

corporal jones doesn't know the difference between debt and deficit. corporal jones had a free swing at Labour's alleged profligacy and he blew it.

[If it be your will]

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[Claretrew]

I think that article proves my point beautifully. Are we at crossed wires here? We both - and Corbyn - agree that PFI and market-driven reforms were a disaster, that Corbyn always knew they wouldn't work, and that only a Corbyn led Labour Party will sort it out by reversing them. I don't think Corbyn is really answerable for what the Blair administration did, he voted against the whip often enough.

I worry this post might come across as sarcastic when it genuinely isn't meant to be. I think we are entirely in agreement, aren't we?

The problem is in all the articles I highlighted they are all labour faults JC is leader of the Labour Party. Yes he voted against Labour on many issues yes he is hated by many Labour MPs but I can't see how that makes him electable. JC is promising everything and anything to whom ever he thinks might vote for him but is it deliverable. Look at his cabinet, who lets be honest he struggled to get to work for him. If as it seems he can't keep his party together and his party has a history of fiscal naivety is that a man you would risk with Brexit and the governance of the UK? He is a principled man he has some good ideas but as a leader or man capable of delivering those ideas I feel he is sadly lacking.

[If it be your will]

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[Claretrew]

Well if he can just tie down a few leprechauns you never know.

[texasbrit]

Labours maths is easy:

BORROW +TAX - (SPEND + SPEND + SPEND) = BANKRUPTCY