How good was Junior Stanislas today?

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sat May 13, 2017 10:35 pm

Pretty good in my opinion. Pity we couldn't hang on to him.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat May 13, 2017 11:08 pm

Didn't get stuck in enough according to some of the numb nuts on here, and on the previous board.

Excellent player.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Sat May 13, 2017 11:15 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Didn't get stuck in enough according to some of the numb nuts on here, and on the previous board.

Excellent player.

Shut up. Apart from a great goal against you know who When did he play well for us?

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that he may be playing better for a different club?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat May 13, 2017 11:24 pm

He looks really good now, probably because he no longer has to play as a secondary fullback in a Dyche team. He's given freedom to attack, licence to roam and the ball passed to his feet not whacked over his head.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat May 13, 2017 11:47 pm

KRBFC wrote:He looks really good now, probably because he no longer has to play as a secondary fullback in a Dyche team. He's given freedom to attack, licence to roam and the ball passed to his feet not whacked over his head.

I didn't know that you could ever say something good about any player.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat May 13, 2017 11:51 pm

I always liked him at turf moor and rated him.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat May 13, 2017 11:56 pm

he's got better with age no doubt

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sun May 14, 2017 12:04 am

ElectroClaret wrote:Didn't get stuck in enough according to some of the numb nuts on here, and on the previous board.

Excellent player.

Excellent this week. Shite last week. Week before that he was ok. Week before that, dire. Week before that, great. Week before that.... I'm sure you get it now...

if you watch Burnley, you'd know.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Sun May 14, 2017 12:05 am

He always looked like a premier league player who struggled to adapt to the physicality of the championship. I thought he looked very good today and looks to have developed his game. He's exactly what we're crying out for.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun May 14, 2017 12:10 am

I didnt go today, however now he has matured into senior Stanislas I really do feel that if we had of held onto himConte would have not been celebrating just yet it would have gone to the wire.
That said what an equaliser against Bstards and for that he will always have my respect.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 8:32 am

A confidence player so wouldn't fit into the SD mould, did well to go to a sympathetic manager who liked wingers.

John Johnson 1605 · Post by **John Johnson 1605** » Sun May 14, 2017 8:45 am

Some revisionism going on here. Stanislas was inconsistent and few were bothered following his release.

He's done much better with a new club in the same way Scott Airfield has following his own release from Huddersfield.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun May 14, 2017 8:46 am

He had a small run of games under Dyche and did really well but got dropped immediately when other players were fit again even though he was playing well.

He didnt fit Dyches style so he was left as just a squad player and in retrospect that was the right decision from Dyche who knew what type of players he needed to achieve his goals.

Lets not kid ourselves though that Stanilas didnt look like a good Championship player with a bright future as he most definitely did and many posters on here said so at the time

The move was right for both teams and apart from his goal yesterday I am pleased he has cracked on and now looks every inch a Premier League player

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Sun May 14, 2017 11:41 am

bobinho wrote:Excellent this week. Shite last week. Week before that he was ok. Week before that, dire. Week before that, great. Week before that.... I'm sure you get it now...

if you watch Burnley, you'd know.

I know a West ham ST holder who said exactly the same. Can be excellent on his day, but very inconsistent.

Also definitely not a Dyche type player.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Sun May 14, 2017 11:51 am

He has great ability as shown by his goal yesterday and some of the cracking crosses he used to put in when playing for us but as with a lot of wingers he was pretty inconsistent

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun May 14, 2017 11:51 am

Attacking wingers are usually inconsistent. It's normal. If we were to play two offensive wide players next season we'd see it regularly.

LAM · Post by **LAM** » Sun May 14, 2017 11:58 am

I thought Marc Pugh was better. Lowton had a tough afternoon

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Sun May 14, 2017 11:59 am

Average can best describe his time at the Turf. Quality one week then woeful for the next three.

I am glad for him that he has knuckled down and finally got the thing that he was missing during his three years here - consistency.

The way some people suggest we missed a trick by letting him go is ridiculous, he had three years to make himself the first name on the team sheet and spectacularly failed to do so by consistently underperforming on a weekly basis.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun May 14, 2017 12:01 pm

dermotdermot wrote:Pretty good in my opinion. Pity we couldn't hang on to him.

Scored a good goal but other than that I didn't think he was one of the Bournemouth players to offer too much, they had far better players. He played as he did for us on too many occasions I thought which is why he never got too many games.

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Sun May 14, 2017 12:23 pm

Didn't rate him a Burnley, still don't rate him now. Wouldn't get in any other premier league sides first 11.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun May 14, 2017 12:41 pm

Josh King has proven to be a great signing, was he a free from Blackburn?

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 12:44 pm

I'll sum up Stanislas time at Burnley.

Comes off the bench and does something great.
"Wow, he needs to start next game".
Starts the next few games and does nothing and goes back to the bench.

Rinse and repeat.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun May 14, 2017 12:49 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:Didn't rate him a Burnley, still don't rate him now. Wouldn't get in any other premier league sides first 11.

I would guess that Dyche is the only Premier League manager that would pick Arfield and Boyd ahead of Stanilas given the choice

bedfords · Post by **bedfords** » Sun May 14, 2017 12:52 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:I would guess that Dyche is the only Premier League manager that would pick Arfield and Boyd ahead of Stanilas given the choice

I'm sure Karanka and Moyes wouldn't.

Transpennine · Post by **Transpennine** » Sun May 14, 2017 12:52 pm

[quote="ablueclaret"]A confidence player so wouldn't fit into the SD mould,

I don't understand what this means...

Are you inferring that Dyche is unable to work with confidence players?
Or that confidence players are not successful playing for Dyche?
Aren't all players confidence players..?

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Sun May 14, 2017 12:54 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:I'll sum up Stanislas time at Burnley.

Comes off the bench and does something great.
"Wow, he needs to start next game".
Starts the next few games and does nothing and goes back to the bench.

Rinse and repeat.

It's a better rate than Arfield and Boyd, who'll have a good game, then keep their places until they next do something worthwhile in 7 months time.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun May 14, 2017 12:55 pm

bedfords wrote:I'm sure Karanka and Moyes wouldn't.

Karanka doesnt manage Middlesborough anymore and considering Moyes plays Jaanuzaj Id beg to differ

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sun May 14, 2017 12:56 pm

ablueclaret wrote:A confidence player so wouldn't fit into the SD mould, did well to go to a sympathetic manager who liked wingers.

I'd say that's wrong. Ashley Westwood is very much a confidence player and he has slotted in very nicely indeed.

bedfords · Post by **bedfords** » Sun May 14, 2017 1:00 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Karanka doesnt manage Middlesborough anymore and considering Moyes plays Jaanuzaj Id beg to differ

I was suggesting that they wouldn't pick Arfield and Boyd ahead of Stanislas. And as it's make believe speculation there is nothing wrong with guessing whether Karanka would have picked them either. Karanka was the manager that essentially guided Boro to relegation. The point that was clearly too subtle for some. Thanks.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun May 14, 2017 1:03 pm

Yes far too subtle for me i admit but glad to see you agree with my main point

bedfords · Post by **bedfords** » Sun May 14, 2017 1:10 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Yes far too subtle for me i admit but glad to see you agree with my main point

I didn't agree with your main point, just suggested that two failed managers probably would play Junior ahead of our two.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun May 14, 2017 1:12 pm

Did you regard Dyche as a failed manager two seasons ago?

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Sun May 14, 2017 1:15 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:I would guess that Dyche is the only Premier League manager that would pick Arfield and Boyd ahead of Stanilas given the choice

I would wager that no other Premier League manager could of kept our squad in the league.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sun May 14, 2017 1:16 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Scored a good goal but other than that I didn't think he was one of the Bournemouth players to offer too much, they had far better players. He played as he did for us on too many occasions I thought which is why he never got too many games.

I had to get a ticket in the Steven Fletcher Stand and I can assure you he was buzzing in the second half. Seemed to be playing in a more central midfield position and oozed confidence and great skill. The Bournemouth fans even had a song for him - I can't remember exactly how it went and he received rapturous applause when he went off.

I think that Sean Dyche could perhaps see his potential when he offered him a contract. He turned it down in favour of dropping a division and rejoining Eddie Howe.

Nice fellow as well. I ran into him and his wife and two kids in Waitrose last summer.

HuncoatClaret · Post by **HuncoatClaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 1:19 pm

I thought Marc Pugh caused us a lot of problems down our right side.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun May 14, 2017 1:22 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:I would wager that no other Premier League manager could of kept our squad in the league.

I have not questioned that or questioned Dyche on getting rid of Stanilas. My reply was to a ridiculously critical post about Stanilas backing up his point by stating Stanilas wouldnt get in another Premier League team. I just pointed out that apart from our team Im pretty certain he'd get in any other Premier league team ahead of Boyd or Arfield

Stalbansclaret · Post by **Stalbansclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 1:24 pm

There really is some moronic thinking on this thread....yeah Arfield and Boyd are truly useless and much worse than Stanislas...that's why we were Championship champions last season and invincible after Boxing Day, followed by a season when we alone, of the promoted clubs, have managed to survive in the Premier League. It's great to be slagging off our players and manager in these circs isn't it ! Unbelievable.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sun May 14, 2017 1:25 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:I have not questioned that or questioned Dyche on getting rid of Stanilas. My reply was to a ridiculously critical post about Stanilas backing up his point by stating Stanilas wouldnt get in another Premier League team. I just pointed out that apart from our team Im pretty certain he'd get in any other Premier league team ahead of Boyd or Arfield

He didn't get rid of him. He offered him a new contract but Junior turned it down.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun May 14, 2017 1:27 pm

No-ones said Arfield and Boyd are useless and no-one has slagged them off. The slagging off has mainly been of an ex player who gave a lot to our club and gave us some great moments and as a result people like me are just trying to add some balance

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun May 14, 2017 1:29 pm

dermotdermot wrote:He didn't get rid of him. He offered him a new contract but Junior turned it down.

Fair enough and ive alluded on other threads that Dyche only rated Stanislas as a squad player and thats why he left so I take your point that my terminology in that post is not correct

bedfords · Post by **bedfords** » Sun May 14, 2017 1:37 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Did you regard Dyche as a failed manager two seasons ago?

Do you not believe that his sole season target would have been to keep the team up? On that basis he did fail. Understandable/expected....yes but ultimately a failed quest.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun May 14, 2017 1:42 pm

Ok if you regarded Dyche as a failed manager just because we got relegated thats your opinion but dont think you'd have a lot in agreement with you.

Both Moyes and Karanka failed this season but they are far from failed football managers.

Anyhow we've gone off topic and obviously disagree so i'll leave it there

bedfords · Post by **bedfords** » Sun May 14, 2017 2:01 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Ok if you regarded Dyche as a failed manager just because we got relegated thats your opinion but dont think you'd have a lot in agreement with you.

Both Moyes and Karanka failed this season but they are far from failed football managers.

Anyhow we've gone off topic and obviously disagree so i'll leave it there

So you make stuff up then close down the discussion. You asked me whether Dyche failed two seasons ago, as I had inferred both Moyes and Karanka had this season. I said yes. You then decide that Dyche is a failure according to me. Strange.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun May 14, 2017 2:12 pm

You referred to them as two failed managers in post #31 and your only logic for that seemed to be because they failed this season in the same way Dyche failed two years ago

My point was I believe Stanilas would get in any other Premier League team other than Burnley ahead of Boyd and Arfield. You have been happy to suggest that it is true for Boro and Sunderland so what about the other 17 teams?

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun May 14, 2017 2:37 pm

Played when he's arsed .often he disappeared in games.
Not the 110% type of player Sean loves.As I have said load of times about ex Clarets ;Pughy is the one Id sign good touches can beat a man and shoots with both feet

ants_g · Post by **ants_g** » Sun May 14, 2017 8:06 pm

John Johnson 1605 wrote:Some revisionism going on here. Stanislas was inconsistent and few were bothered following his release.

He's done much better with a new club in the same way Scott Airfield has following his own release from Huddersfield.

He was offered a contract wasn't he? Decided not to take it.

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Sun May 14, 2017 8:11 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:I have not questioned that or questioned Dyche on getting rid of Stanilas. My reply was to a ridiculously critical post about Stanilas backing up his point by stating Stanilas wouldnt get in another Premier League team. I just pointed out that apart from our team Im pretty certain he'd get in any other Premier league team ahead of Boyd or Arfield

I take you point but no other Premier League team sets up like us.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun May 14, 2017 9:05 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Scored a good goal but other than that I didn't think he was one of the Bournemouth players to offer too much, they had far better players. He played as he did for us on too many occasions I thought which is why he never got too many games.

Lets be honest, you wouldn't have said anything positive about him If he'd have scored 5 yesterday.