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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by quoonbeatz » Mon May 15, 2017 3:33 pm

bfcjg wrote:For the first time ever I am voting conservative in the election, I just think their policies are better for Burnley and the country.

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i genuinely find it bizarre that anyone thinks that way.

you're talking about a government that makes the most deprived areas bear the brunt of the cuts they make. the ten most deprived councils (burnley is 9th) were the ones hardest hit by the tories, all were in the north and many were labour controlled. the average spend per had was cut by £275.

contrast that with the ten least deprived councils who were at the sharp end of a whopping £23.19 reduction in average spend per head.

places like burnley will be absolutely ****** by the tories.
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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by nil_desperandum » Mon May 15, 2017 3:48 pm

quoonbeatz wrote::|

i genuinely find it bizarre that anyone thinks that way.

you're talking about a government that makes the most deprived areas bear the brunt of the cuts they make. the ten most deprived councils (burnley is 9th) were the ones hardest hit by the tories, all were in the north and many were labour controlled. the average spend per had was cut by £275.

contrast that with the ten least deprived councils who were at the sharp end of a whopping £23.19 reduction in average spend per head.

places like Burnley will be absolutely ****** by the tories.
Can't give this a like, as there really is nothing to like about what has happened and what seems destined to happen, but your post is 100% on the money.
But don't worry it's a price worth paying for Brexit. We may lose all our funding, and self-inflict a staffing crisis in the NHS, (leading to further privatisation), but look on the bright side: We'll have our sovereignty back, (including the FPTP system), and the Westminster Government will know what's best for working communities in NE Lancashire.
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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by RocketLawnChair » Mon May 15, 2017 3:58 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Can't give this a like, as there really is nothing to like about what has happened and what seems destined to happen, but your post is 100% on the money.
But don't worry it's a price worth paying for Brexit. We may lose all our funding, and self-inflict a staffing crisis in the NHS, (leading to further privatisation), but look on the bright side: We'll have our sovereignty back, (including the FPTP system), and the Westminster Government will know what's best for working communities in NE Lancashire.
Our town as been paying the price for the actions of several governments not all tory and all before Brexit nil.

I think that is one of the reasons the referendum went like it did, people have just become desperate for change. Whether voting for Brexit was the right thing to go about making that change is a completely different matter,, but that's is what the referendum offered with a one person one vote system it is easier to make a protest vote in that scenario rather than in a GE.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by dsr » Mon May 15, 2017 4:03 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:We may lose all our funding, and self-inflict a staffing crisis in the NHS ...
No reason why we should. The EU can't stop EU citizens coming to Britain to work here. The UK can have unlimited immigration in any area it chooses.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by nil_desperandum » Mon May 15, 2017 4:06 pm

dsr wrote:No reason why we should. The EU can't stop EU citizens coming to Britain to work here. The UK can have unlimited immigration in any area it chooses.
Except you're ignoring the statistics that say that in past 10 months applications from the EU for jobs in the NHS have dropped to a trickle. This may not have happened had TM guaranteed their rights post-Brexit.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by bobinho » Mon May 15, 2017 4:08 pm

Julie cooper was traipsing round my estate tother day. I was out washing the van. Her and her cronies walked straight past me, never said a word. I was there for the taking... no escape. Didn't even look in my direction.

Don't get me wrong, I'm ok with that. Anyone who knows me knows I don't want to be mithered. But she made no attempt whatsoever to engage me, to find out my thoughts on local or parliamentary politics, to find out my local concerns, my national concerns, blah blah blah.

Nothing. Maybe she thinks it's a done deal. Maybe she doesn't want or need my vote.

Come on Julie, talk to us. Learn about your electorate. Hear what I have to say, and educate me as to where I'm getting it wrong, and tell me why I should vote for you. Tell me why corbyn is the guy to lead us. If you in fact believe he is. Tell me our nation will be secure with a non pacifist at the helm. Tell me our borders will be secure, that we will fight terrorism on someone else's land before it gets here. Tell me you won't squander billions on the undeserving. Tell me that corbyn realises that Abbott is detrimental to your party's attempt to govern. Tell me that you will all unite behind corbyn and work your hardest to secure the best brexit deal possible, despite you not really wanting it in the first place. Tell me (and mean it this time) that you will be tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime. Look me in the eye, and tell me you are ready to govern.

Or just walk past with your thumb up your arse.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by nil_desperandum » Mon May 15, 2017 4:09 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Our town as been paying the price for the actions of several governments not all tory and all before Brexit nil.
True in many respects, but at least the EU was a "safety net", and the funding from there helped create thousands of jobs in the region, and funded many capital projects, like (e.g.) the Manchester Rd station.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by BleedingClaret » Mon May 15, 2017 4:13 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
We may lose all our funding, and self-inflict a staffing crisis in the NHS ...

we could train up some people currently on the dole

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by nil_desperandum » Mon May 15, 2017 4:19 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:nil_desperandum wrote:
We may lose all our funding, and self-inflict a staffing crisis in the NHS ...

we could train up some people currently on the dole
Yes - (and with all respect to those who are on the dole - as there are many talents out there), I'm sure they'll v quickly qualify and save my life next time I need surgery.
I've been treated by British doctors, but the 4 key medical figures in my life, have been a Norwegian shoulder specialist, a German orthopeadic, an East-Asian neuro-surgeon and a Greek gastric specialist.
The lists of vacancies are getting bigger by the month.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by BleedingClaret » Mon May 15, 2017 4:40 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Yes - (and with all respect to those who are on the dole - as there are many talents out there), I'm sure they'll v quickly qualify and save my life next time I need surgery.
I've been treated by British doctors, but the 4 key medical figures in my life, have been a Norwegian shoulder specialist, a German orthopeadic, an East-Asian neuro-surgeon and a Greek gastric specialist.
The lists of vacancies are getting bigger by the month.
its still about training, even if it's long term.
i was referring more to the recruiting of semi skilled rather than specialists.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by dsr » Mon May 15, 2017 4:43 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Except you're ignoring the statistics that say that in past 10 months applications from the EU for jobs in the NHS have dropped to a trickle. This may not have happened had TM guaranteed their rights post-Brexit.
If the reason for lack of applicants is because they are uncertain of future rights of residence, then post-Brexit (or pre-Brexit if need be) the UK will be able to offer rights of residence to whom they choose. Including medics. The Australian system would be one possible and workable blueprint.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by Spijed » Mon May 15, 2017 4:54 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:nil_desperandum wrote:
We may lose all our funding, and self-inflict a staffing crisis in the NHS ...

we could train up some people currently on the dole
Train up for what exactly?

Consultant, GP?

Even semi-skilled will take more time than the shortfall

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by nil_desperandum » Mon May 15, 2017 4:57 pm

dsr wrote:If the reason for lack of applicants is because they are uncertain of future rights of residence, then post-Brexit (or pre-Brexit if need be) the UK will be able to offer rights of residence to whom they choose. Including medics. .
But the point is that TM and her team chose not to offer this right of residence (Pre-Brexit when triggering Article 50 despite pressure from the House of Lords). It's this lack of certainty that is currently causing problems, and if all qualified people with a job are going to be allowed to stay post-Brexit, then why not say so now?
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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by BleedingClaret » Mon May 15, 2017 5:01 pm

It's taken years to get into this predicament and it will take years to get out of it.
(like the EU itself)

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by nil_desperandum » Mon May 15, 2017 5:02 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:its still about training, even if it's long term.
i was referring more to the recruiting of semi skilled rather than specialists.
Why? I'm far more concerned about getting the best specialists and surgeons working in our hospitals, irrespective of where they come from. The first thing I tend to think of in the NHS are the most highly skilled clinicians and surgeons, who can make the difference between life and death, (whilst not under-estimating the importance of all those who work under them).

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by Spijed » Mon May 15, 2017 5:05 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Why? I'm far more concerned about getting the best specialists and surgeons working in our hospitals, irrespective of where they come from. The first thing I tend to think of in the NHS are the most highly skilled clinicians and surgeons, who can make the difference between life and death, (whilst not under-estimating the importance of all those who work under them).
For some, simply leaving the EU is more important than anything else.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by SammyBoy » Mon May 15, 2017 5:06 pm

Spijed wrote:Train up for what exactly?

Consultant, GP?

Even semi-skilled will take more time than the shortfall
This is probably why the policy on immigration won't change for a while (if at all). It's just now there's a negative perception of the UK's attitude towards foreigners which will put a lot off, or convince the ones already here to go elsewhere. Let's face it, if you were a European nurse would you feel welcome? I'm all for addressing the skills shortage in this country so we're less reliant on immigrants to do these vital jobs but the way we've gone about it has been a bit bull in a china shop to say the least.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by BleedingClaret » Mon May 15, 2017 5:09 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Why? I'm far more concerned about getting the best specialists and surgeons working in our hospitals, irrespective of where they come from. The first thing I tend to think of in the NHS are the most highly skilled clinicians and surgeons, who can make the difference between life and death, (whilst not under-estimating the importance of all those who work under them).
I agree on the specialists and half of my body has been put back together by a German, but when we've able & willing people, despite the slurs, on benefits and we are importing labour, it is mis management of the country.
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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by Spijed » Mon May 15, 2017 5:16 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:I agree on the specialists and half of my body has been put back together by a German, but when we've able & willing people, despite the slurs, on benefits and we are importing labour, it is mis management of the country.
The trouble is, you can make people do non-skilled jobs in the NHS (toilet cleaner, porter etc.), but you can't make people become clever enough if we have a shortage of jobs that require various levels of understanding.

That's why we import labour.

Edit: How do you take someone on benefits, for example, and assess whether they are capable of doing different jobs in the NHS?

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by BleedingClaret » Mon May 15, 2017 5:29 pm

SammyBoy wrote:This is probably why the policy on immigration won't change for a while (if at all). It's just now there's a negative perception of the UK's attitude towards foreigners which will put a lot off, or convince the ones already here to go elsewhere. Let's face it, if you were a European nurse would you feel welcome? I'm all for addressing the skills shortage in this country so we're less reliant on immigrants to do these vital jobs but the way we've gone about it has been a bit bull in a china shop to say the least.
Could it be the labeling of the leave voters as nasty racists that has fueled this fear?
If you''re truly telling me that the majority of immigrants into this country are here primarily to fill employment vacancies, what can I say?
I think theres a hundred people brought from foreign lands dumped into impoverished areas of this country that have not worked a day in their lives, not their fault, for every nursing position filled.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by BleedingClaret » Mon May 15, 2017 5:36 pm

Spijed wrote:The trouble is, you can make people do non-skilled jobs in the NHS (toilet cleaner, porter etc.), but you can't make people become clever enough if we have a shortage of jobs that require various levels of understanding.

That's why we import labour.

Edit: How do you take someone on benefits, for example, and assess whether they are capable of doing different jobs in the NHS?
Are British people thicker than people from other countries?
Or have they been bred to live on Benefits whilst people were brought in from abroad to suit political & ideological ends.
The tragedy of this is that genuine refugees have had the doors shut on them by the clumsiness of the EU's immigration policies.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by nil_desperandum » Mon May 15, 2017 5:47 pm

BleedingClaret wrote: If you''re truly telling me that the majority of immigrants into this country are here primarily to fill employment vacancies, what can I say?
I think theres a hundred people brought from foreign lands dumped into impoverished areas of this country that have not worked a day in their lives, not their fault, for every nursing position filled.
You do know that the unemployment figures for EU migrants living in the UK are far lower (in percentage terms) than for those actually born in the UK. There are approx. 65,000 immigrants from the EU receiving some sort of unemployment benefit in the UK, whereas only about 35,000 UK citizens claim unemployment benefit in other EU countries. However, that 65,000 is a tiny percentage in real terms. i.e. 65,000 out of 3.2 million.
According to official figures (e.g.) only 3% of Poles in the UK are on some type of JSA.
According to another report the 30,000 Britons who claim unemployment benefit abroad actually receive more money in total than the 65,000 are paid over here.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by Man of Kent » Mon May 15, 2017 5:49 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Whoever you vote in for Burnley is going to have a hell of a job replacing the investment that comes from the EU to be perfectly honest.

I'd never, ever, ever recommend this normally, but as it seems the norm now to get away with gerrymandering, then maybe Burnley would be better off getting a Tory MP as then there is more chance of him having some influence over what is bound to be a shrinking public purse?

Like I say, goes against everything I believe in, and something I'd never do, but thats the way its going to be going from here on in.
A Tory MP in Burnley would be such a novelty and a peculiarity to the Conservative leadership that he would instantly become a high profile and valuable PR weapon for them. He would also be a highly quotable and topical subject for the media and so would have an instant platform and audience from which to lobby for financial and other support for the area. I'm sure that they would use him as a convenient method of proving to the country how much they care about the regions and those towns who were once so 'miguided' to vote for the socialists. It's not such a daft theory LC.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by nil_desperandum » Mon May 15, 2017 5:53 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:Are British people thicker than people from other countries?
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Of course not, but it's a fact that a large proportion of those who come to the UK from the EU looking for work are from the higher end of the skills spectrum, and well educated.
I would imagine that the vast majority of UK citizens who go working in (e.g.) Paris, or Berlin, are much better educated and higher skilled than the average Frenchman or German.
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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by nil_desperandum » Mon May 15, 2017 5:56 pm

Man of Kent wrote:A Tory MP in Burnley would be such a novelty and a peculiarity to the Conservative leadership that he would instantly become a high profile and valuable PR weapon for them. He would also be a highly quotable and topical subject for the media and so would have an instant platform and audience from which to lobby for financial and other support for the area. I'm sure that they would use him as a convenient method of proving to the country how much they care about the regions and those towns who were once so 'miguided' to vote for the socialists. It's not such a daft theory LC.
A good theory, but Burnley would most likely be just one of many traditional "socialist" Labour seats to fall to the Tories, so there's no reason why Burnley would be singled out above the others.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by summitclaret » Mon May 15, 2017 6:10 pm

It high time that we started to get smart with tuition fees. We need our brightest and best to study what the country most needs. E.g medicine, engineering of all types, science, technology and teaching these subjects.

We should refund fees for these types of courses on a sliding scale if people pass and stay in the UK for a minimum period in an essential job. This list would NOT include law in particular and all most humanities subject as many of these courses can be studied as hobbies



In parallel employers should be given more incentives to take on other young people to get everyone used to work and it's value.
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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by BleedingClaret » Mon May 15, 2017 6:15 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Of course not, but it's a fact that a large proportion of those who come to the UK from the EU looking for work are from the higher end of the skills spectrum, and well educated.
I would imagine that the vast majority of UK citizens who go working in (e.g.) Paris, or Berlin, are much better educated and higher skilled than the average Frenchman or German.
Fair point.

It's also caused by a failure of our education system in terms of it being so non vocational, going forward this should change.
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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by Spijed » Mon May 15, 2017 6:18 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:Fair point.

It's also caused by a failure of our education system in terms of it being so non vocational, going forward this should change.
It's not a failure, is it? If you want to work in the NHS, especially at a skilled level, you'll have a certain level of intelligence. No amount of better tuition in schools will make up for that.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by BleedingClaret » Mon May 15, 2017 6:27 pm

Come on we study so much pompous crap.
Teachers study to be teachers and teach every body else to be studious, general knowledge gathering, book worms, and this is how we judge intelligence.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by Mala591 » Mon May 15, 2017 6:38 pm

Surely this general election is about who you want/trust to negotiate our exit from the EU.

If you are one of the 66% of Burnley voters who voted to leave (and you still want to leave) then you should vote conservative.

Studying the various party manifestos and policies will have to wait until the next election in 2022.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Mon May 15, 2017 6:39 pm

joey13 wrote:You basing that on the last 7 years in power , Tories say a lot of things which never happen , strong and stable though , mainly with protecting paedophiles , but if you are happy with that well done .
The people of Burnley voting conservative would be like turkeys voting for Christmas.

The small working class towns of the north couldn't be further from their thinking.
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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by bfcjg » Mon May 15, 2017 6:47 pm

What I find puzzling is why for decades and decades we have voted for a Labour MP with the exception of Birtwistle who did a good job for us and brought a lot of investment in we are still impoverished ? Is it a self fulfilling prophecy we're Burnley we're poor and good old Labour will ensure that with the benefit system we'll stay that way. I am a classic floating voter and at this election i would have liked a very strong independent.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by aggi » Mon May 15, 2017 7:06 pm

Mala591 wrote:Surely this general election is about who you want/trust to negotiate our exit from the EU.

If you are one of the 66% of Burnley voters who voted to leave (and you still want to leave) then you should vote conservative.
Why? I'm genuinely curious why people think this is the case and when I've asked people I've struggled to get an answer beyond "Well, Jeremy Corbyn". What has been shown in policies and statements to suggest that the conservatives would be better than labour?

I'd have thought that people would have wanted the Euro-sceptic negotiating, not the one who wanted to remain.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by bfcjg » Mon May 15, 2017 7:14 pm

I genuinly think Corbyn is a decent and principled man and it is refreshing that he doesn't resort to name calling etc his belief in his policies is unshakeable; however I just don't buy into his and especially his chancellor's policies as I think they would cause havoc. Hate it or not we are living in a world where businesses and highly skilled people can move abroad in no time at all to avoid tax. Also it is a very dangerous world and his defence policy is worrying.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by SammyBoy » Mon May 15, 2017 7:35 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:Could it be the labeling of the leave voters as nasty racists that has fueled this fear?
If you''re truly telling me that the majority of immigrants into this country are here primarily to fill employment vacancies, what can I say?
I think theres a hundred people brought from foreign lands dumped into impoverished areas of this country that have not worked a day in their lives, not their fault, for every nursing position filled.
I think nil_desperandum has more or less just covered this but I assumed it was common knowledge that practically all immigration to the UK is economic in nature and said immigrants contribute more to the economy than they take out. The hundreds of thousands of Romanians that're bleeding our welfare system dry whilst tossing it off in their 6 bedroom detached houses with their 14 kids only exist in the pages of the Daily Mail.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by dsr » Mon May 15, 2017 11:14 pm

bfcjg wrote:I genuinly think Corbyn is a decent and principled man and it is refreshing that he doesn't resort to name calling etc his belief in his policies is unshakeable; however I just don't buy into his and especially his chancellor's policies as I think they would cause havoc. Hate it or not we are living in a world where businesses and highly skilled people can move abroad in no time at all to avoid tax. Also it is a very dangerous world and his defence policy is worrying.
Principled, yes. But what principles are they? He was arrested in 1986 at a protest demo to show support for the IRA men who tried to murder Margaret Thatcher in the Brighton bomb. That's not the sort of principle I would want in a Prime Minister.
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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by If it be your will » Mon May 15, 2017 11:51 pm

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by ClaretAndJew » Mon May 15, 2017 11:55 pm

The trouble with training people who are on the dole etc is a guy finding those committed enough to actually want to work in health care etc..

Nursing, for example, you don't do it for the money,you have to want to be a nurse. And if you train someone up for 3 years to nursing standards who ultimately didn't want to do it then you have quite a dangerous individual who is responsible for an abundance of lives.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by ClaretPope » Tue May 16, 2017 10:20 am

ClaretTony wrote:What's this plenty Birtwistle has got done for the town? Wasn't his promise last time to get the accident & emergency department back to Burnley General Hospital?
His voting record as an MP followed the Tory Government to the detriment of places like Burnley:
Consistently voted for reducing central government funding of local government
• Generally voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax") Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices
• Almost always voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness
• Consistently voted for making local councils responsible for helping those in financial need afford their council tax and reducing the amount spent on such support
• Almost always voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits
• Generally voted against spending public money to create guaranteed jobs for young people who have spent a long time unemployed
• Consistently voted for raising England’s undergraduate tuition fee cap to £9,000 per year
• Almost always voted for academy schools
• Consistently voted for ending financial support for some 16-19 year olds in training and further education
• Consistently voted for university tuition fees
• Consistently voted for reducing central government funding of local government

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by South West Claret. » Tue May 16, 2017 10:28 am

Has he defected to the "real" Con party yet then?

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue May 16, 2017 10:51 am

I think theres a hundred people brought from foreign lands dumped into impoverished areas of this country that have not worked a day in their lives, not their fault, for every nursing position filled.
I'm sure you think that, but as its not actually the case, then its a silly thing to think. Even sillier to us it as a reason to vote for one particular party.

I've nothing to say regarding the Australian system of dealing with immigration (both illegal and legal). Not something I'd ever expect the UK to implement or put up with.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by nil_desperandum » Tue May 16, 2017 11:08 am

ClaretPope wrote:His voting record as an MP followed the Tory Government to the detriment of places like Burnley:
Consistently voted for reducing central government funding of local government
• Generally voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax") Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices
• Almost always voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness
• Consistently voted for making local councils responsible for helping those in financial need afford their council tax and reducing the amount spent on such support
• Almost always voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits
• Generally voted against spending public money to create guaranteed jobs for young people who have spent a long time unemployed
• Consistently voted for raising England’s undergraduate tuition fee cap to £9,000 per year
• Almost always voted for academy schools
• Consistently voted for ending financial support for some 16-19 year olds in training and further education
• Consistently voted for university tuition fees
• Consistently voted for reducing central government funding of local government
Add to this:
Almost always voted against equal gay rights (5 times out of 7)
Generally voted against allowing marriage between two people of same sex (4 out of 6)
Voted a mixture of for and against laws to promote equality and human rights (4 out of 7)

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by TVC15 » Tue May 16, 2017 11:48 am

Birtwistle is not the sharpest tool in the box - and in many ways the worst kind of politician as his motivation for being an MP were very much about status and his inflated ego.
I honestly think he would have stood for anyone of the 3 main parties as long as he thought it could get him in parliament. His political views do not really align to any of the parties.

He was a councillor for years and anybody who saw his house - just off Glen View Road would have noticed that there was rarely a time when there were not extensions being built. I found this rather strange knowing that other people who lived in that area were getting planning permission refused.

If any of you have seen him in Q & A sessions or debates they used to show on north west political TV programmes you will understand the reference to not being the sharpest tool in the box !

As for bringing lots of funding and regeneration to Burnley I think you will find Prince Charles was a bigger factor in this than our Gordon.

His legacy will be one of supporting a leader who did a complete U turn on tuition fees - all for the sake of a bit of fake power and 15 minutes of fame...Lloyd George would turn in his grave.

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Re: Julie Cooper

Post by SingaporeClarets » Tue May 16, 2017 12:17 pm

Kitty Usher did more for Burnley than Birtwistle and that's saying something!

We wouldn't vote for Kitty again so why would we re elect Gordon 'Promises' Birtwistle.

The amount of time he said 'I don't recall' when questioned about any promise he made was legendary. I'm not talking about the hospital either, this is well before he was elected an MP. When I heard he was elected, I couldn't believe it because his bullshitting was so well known. Then he jumped on the hospital bandwagon with his battle bus but never turned up to any of the meetings in county hall. It was like some sitcom, Burnley electing a yes man in a conservative led government.

There's plenty of hard working lib dem councillors in Burnley, who party aside would make excellent parliamentary candidates over him. What a shambles.

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