Ok as things stand right now - How will you vote?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:05 pm

We have seen quite a lot to consider from both camps these past 2 months, with initially it looking like a one horse race, that may now no longer be the case. I have to say the vast majority of people on my facebook, and whom I know at work seem to be dead set on Labour. They seem to be gathering some genuine momentum whilst the tories and looking less and less at ease as time goes by.

So for those willing to share, as things stand; where is your vote going this June, and why?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:09 pm

I was 100% Lib Dem up here in Lancaster & Fleetwood, as I couldn't stand either JC or the Conservatives.

But since the campaign started, JC has actually come across rather well. I wouldn't tactically vote at all normally, but its a Lab/Con marginal so I'm tempted to vote Lab.

Still Lib Dem at the moment though

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:13 pm

Nothing morally wrong in tactical voting, contrary to what some people think.

Still Tory for me.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:14 pm

No tactical here.
Conservative all day long

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:21 pm

Disappointed in every party 2 months ago.

I like the Labour manifesto and I have warmed to JC who is having a good campaign, despite the never-ending smears and lies.

Where I live though a vote for Labour is a wasted vote, so I may vote tactically for Farron's lot ( depends on the numbers).
That will cause me pain and strife though..

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:27 pm

Liberals doing very well in your neck of the woods Hampstead.

Not sure how much of the anti JC stuff is smears and lies though, I still don't see the 'nice guy' bit; can save that for another thread.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:31 pm

Someone just sent me this.. .

Croydon Claret · Post by **Croydon Claret** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:36 pm

Tory. Will be the first time ever but of all the parties to deliver Brexit I mistrust them the least.

Lots of other policies I don't care for e.g. the fox hunting vote but that sort of stuff can be more easily overturned.

Get Brexit wrong, whatever your definition of wrong is, and it could take a very long time, if ever, to sort out.

The long term future of Britain sways on what deal we get, so for me it's the overriding concern.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:38 pm

Illiterate Libtards, everyone knows Tory has a capital T.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:41 pm

No question Tory.

Cannot stand the limp wristed lib dems or the communist Labour. SNP are just a bunch of bigots who are on the slippy slope back to no-marks

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:48 pm

I feel i was conned into voting for Brexit,namely false promises regarding the NHS.
I am now leaning towards the Labor party,because Tory shape shifters pulled the wool over my eyes.
So **** the Tories **** Theresa ****ing May and **** Brexit.

Heaton's Gloves · Post by **Heaton's Gloves** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:54 pm

Tory. No choice really.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:55 pm

I am still looking for where the Tories have cut income tax for the rich? They may have reduced top rate from 50 to 45% but they have increased the rate from 45% to a virtual 50% since 2010 for those who have lost the personal allowance
I think the Tory manifesto is about the worst I have seen in a long time. At least Labours is workable but some of the Tory stuff must have been written by Grimm

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:04 pm

Just to clarify mine is also Tory, I'm one of those "nobs" MACCA fondly refers to. Don't think I've read a paper in years though.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:05 pm

It's an appalling choice really. The brexit deal is obviously huge, and based solely on that I'd (whisper it quietly) sway towards the Tories.

However, Labour's manifesto has won me over, and when compared with the rank policies proposed by that nervous wreck May, it's Labour for me.

WadingInDeeper · Post by **WadingInDeeper** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:07 pm

I started off thinking this would be a walk in the part for the Tories, with an increased majority, but they seem determined to make a mess of it.

Still undecided, I don't know enough about our local labour candidate yet.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:07 pm

bartons baggage wrote:I feel i was conned into voting for Brexit,namely false promises regarding the NHS.
I am now leaning towards the Labor party,because Tory shape shifters pulled the wool over my eyes.
So **** the Tories **** Theresa ****ing May and **** Brexit.

What were those false promises?

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:17 pm

Tory for me, JC isn't fairing too badly but can we risk McDonald, Abbott et al getting anywhere near power. Can we feck!!!!

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:20 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Just to clarify mine is also Tory, I'm one of those "nobs" MACCA fondly refers to. Don't think I've read a paper in years though.

I got it sent to me, don't know who I'll vote for, if at all.

If I vote it will be down to what party suits my personal needs. They all p1ss in the same pot, and I don't think any have ever carried through their promises.

I've not seen who is offering what yet as I'm too busy, so if I don't look into it I'll either ask the mother who she is voting for, not vote at all or close my eyes and stick a pin in one.

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:22 pm

The Conservative party at Lancs County Council that recently won the local election might be about to go through a period of turmoil given the arrests made today.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:23 pm

Didn't plan to vote as although I support Corbyn I have never felt represented enough by any single party or by the whole nature of British party politics itself to engage with it and register a vote

However the combination of Labours manifesto and the movement I have started to witness among young people that are really starting to engage with Corbyns Labour means I am going to vote labour.

I dont believe they will win but I hope there is a massive increase in the turn out of young voters behind Corbyn validating him as a credible opposition and signaling a sea of change against the repugnant right wing politics that dominate the political landscape today

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:25 pm

as most of the electorate are as thick as pig****, they will do whatever the media tells them.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:30 pm

bobinho wrote:What were those false promises?

The money to the NHS.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:38 pm

No one is forced to read a particular paper. Why do some insult others' intelligence? I know the majority of paoers are to the right, there will be be a left wing union info floating around to individuals and Facebook is full of socialist info.

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:40 pm

Same as before the campaign started. Conservative. Whoever is influenced by anything said by any party or newspaper or forum during the campaign should be banned from voting. Just wish election day was tomorrow!

Wilsdenclaret · Post by **Wilsdenclaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:40 pm

Out of principle can't vote for anyone other than Lib Dem (first time in my life) even though my vote may be wasted the only party with an ounce of sense on Brexit.............Corbyn doing well though, anyone but pound shop Thatcher (and I voted for Thatcher ). Not much chance of ousting the odious Philip Davis over here though

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:43 pm

john'sroseyspecs wrote:Same as before the campaign started. Conservative. Whoever is influenced by anything said by any party or newspaper or forum during the campaign should be banned from voting. Just wish election day was tomorrow!

Er, wait...what?

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:49 pm

The lib dem approach to Brexit is an utter disgrace. They just want to get a bad deal. I would have a tiny bit of respect for they if they said vote for us and we will withdraw article 50. The halfway house is a disaster waiting to happen. That is why we have to have a tory government with a big enough majority to play hardball with the EU.

Labour's manifesto is also a fudge on Brexit and their Communist leader and shadow Chancellor would be an absolute disaster. The brightest and best would emigrate asap if they could.

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bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:51 pm

bartons baggage wrote:The money to the NHS.

Could you be a little more specific? I think I know what you are referring to, but as I remember it, there wasn't any promises to spend any money on the NHS. I remember the brexit campaign suggesting the money we hand over to the EU coffers COULD be spent on the NHS instead, but can't remember a specific promise. Perhaps you could link where the promise was made?

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:52 pm

For the first, and hopefully the last time, I will vote Tory. It hurts to even write it, BUT there isn't an alternative. Jeremy, even if he could win, would knock this country back 30 years.
It would solve the immigration problem though, they'd all be heading for the port once the place falls apart.

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:53 pm

Spiral wrote:Er, wait...what?

I just find it hard to understand how people can allow themselves to be influenced by all the lies and promises from any side in an election campaign. I base my decision on my own and my family's experience and knowledge of real life. Plus a decent appreciation of history and politics. Not soundbites and headlines. Also i would not trust Corbyn to run a jumble sale never mind the country!

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:53 pm

bobinho,

Don't pretend like a massive sign saying let's put 350 million back into the NHS if you vote for Brexit didn't influence people.

Regardless of whether it was a specific promise set out in a mandate, to put something that is so close to the heart of millions of people on the side of busses which subsequently were seen around the UK via TV and social media is obviously going to have an effect on the vote.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:54 pm

Guys, guys, guys, this isn't the Brexit thread.

People just want to know how you are going to vote, and feel free to give reasons.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:57 pm

john'sroseyspecs wrote:Same as before the campaign started. Conservative. Whoever is influenced by anything said by any party or newspaper or forum during the campaign should be banned from voting. Just wish election day was tomorrow!

Eh? Surely you vote on the polices that you agree on?

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:00 pm

"Don't pretend like a massive sign saying let's put 350 million back into the NHS if you vote for Brexit didn't influence people"

I'll tell you what influenced me, and it was nothing to do with the spin rolled out from BOTH sides, it was that arrogant $hit the chancellor threatening me with an "Emergency Budget" to hit me in the pocket if he failed to get his own way with a Remain vote!

burnley007 · Post by **burnley007** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:04 pm

A vote for the Tory party is a nail in the coffin of every average person in this country. They are just puppets for major corporations.
Don't let them milk this country any more. They've taken enough.

Let's set JC onto them...

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:13 pm

Remember who you are and why Tories always do you down...it's their DNA.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:17 pm

I'll decide who to vote for when I get there.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:19 pm

One thing is certain, we haven't recovered enough to allow a labour government to spunk it away. Maybe one day they will be ready to govern, but it isn't now.

Brexit needs to be managed properly. JC is NOT the man to do that.

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:26 pm

I'm so looking forward to another 5 pointless years of austerity.
Not!

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:38 pm

Labour.

Returning to the fold now that I can finally see the difference between them and the tories.

thomaspaine · Post by **thomaspaine** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:39 pm

Labour always - Corbyns a breath of fresh air . Could never vote for the Me, Myself , I , Tory party. Similarly, cut a Liberal and they will bleed Tory. Labours on a roll despite the Tory media.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:41 pm

I like the picture of Mr. Nob, and it explains why the Tories are likely to win. Because that's how Labour still sees the working class. Many members of the working class don't see themselves that way.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:43 pm

I haven't decided fully yet, but leaning toward Labour. I'd like all my three daughters to be able to leave university without being weighted down by debt. I also like Labour's sense of national pride in wanting to take back control of the utilities, railways, and post office. I'm happy to pay more in tax for this too, because I'm fairly sure that the savings we'll see in our bills will make up for that.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:52 pm

Labour for me one of the main reasons is their policy on education and the cuts the Tories are currently inflicting on schools.

ten bellies · Post by **ten bellies** » Mon May 22, 2017 8:09 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I was 100% Lib Dem up here in Lancaster & Fleetwood, as I couldn't stand either JC or the Conservatives.

But since the campaign started, JC has actually come across rather well. I wouldn't tactically vote at all normally, but its a Lab/Con marginal so I'm tempted to vote Lab.

Still Lib Dem at the moment though

I will vote Labour, as it's either Con or Lab. I have never nor could ever vote Tory.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Mon May 22, 2017 8:09 pm

bobinho wrote:Could you be a little more specific? I think I know what you are referring to, but as I remember it, there wasn't any promises to spend any money on the NHS. I remember the brexit campaign suggesting the money we hand over to the EU coffers COULD be spent on the NHS instead, but can't remember a specific promise. Perhaps you could link where the promise was made?

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RMutt · Post by **RMutt** » Mon May 22, 2017 8:15 pm

As it stands now Labour. As it stood before Labour. As it will stand in the future Labour. The Tories exist for one reason, to look after the interests of the rich at the expense of the poor.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon May 22, 2017 8:25 pm

RMutt wrote:As it stands now Labour. As it stood before Labour. As it will stand in the future Labour. The Tories exist for one reason, to look after the interests of the rich at the expense of the poor.

Just curious, as I haven't lived as long as many of the posters on here I would like to ask with full sincerity.

Was there a time when this was true, and if so when was it? Thatcher?

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Mon May 22, 2017 8:35 pm

May wanted to fight this election on a Brexit platform but Labour have successfully managed to focus the debate on NHS/social care, education and taking back control of some of the nation's most valuable assets.

It's painfully obvious the Tories were woefully unprepared to campaign on any of the issues that were not on their traditional safe, or should that be strong and stable, ground.

Labour are likely to capture the younger vote and reclaim some of their older vote. It won't be enough but the gap will be a lot narrower than most people thought when the election was first called.

The most worrying aspect of this is that a supposedly fragmented Labour party with a widely-ridiculed leader are dictating the agenda - and people still seriously think May, Hammond, Johnson etc. are equipped to negotiate a far tougher EU exit brief and somehow secure the best possible terms for this country.